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We do a lot of taverns because they sell better than just about any other type of Flip-Mat. Tavern and Waterfront Tavern are both sold out, and Pub Crawl is really about the streets around the pubs. Urban Tavern is the only "real" tavern Flip-Mat currently in print.
Desert is a significantly less popular theme than taverns, and probably won't get a replacement while the current Desert Flip-Mat is in print.
Deep Forest makes for a pretty good hill.
Since Swamp is now out of print, that does indeed make that theme a good candidate for a new map...
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Looks like a redux of the Water Front Tavern. I still like it though and will still pick it up.
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Nice map. Close enough to stand in for Waterfront Tavern for those that don't have it, but different enough to be worth buying either way. I also like how it matches the recent sewer tiles. Well done.
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Tavern options are good.
What would be cool is a "tavern construction kit" Map Pack. Something that allowed you to construct various different floor layouts by reusing some of the same tiles. This would be a little bit tricky to make (make it so the tiles are interesting, but also so that they can fit next to each other to make a several-tile scene out of it), but would be very useful as it would let us build a fair number of different taverns out of it.
The second side of the map does have a slightly redesigned version of the Waterfront Tavern. It's one of those out of print maps that people like and have a hard time getting. You also get two other maps that each work well with some Map-Pack products, so for those of you who already have Waterfront Tavern, there is still plenty that you can play with.
Need to make a map of the rusty Dragon inn, with ground floor on one side and upstairs on the other. Then you need to make a map pack of under the rusty Dragon. Then when you make your next swamp map, one side should be swamp and the other side should be the Lick toad village from we be goblins. Then you should give me a big bag of money for giving you these great ideas ; )
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During the six-month run of an AP, we do 3 Flip-Mats, and we're trying to tie at least one of them thematically to that AP. For example, Flip-Mat: Wasteland will come in handy for Wrath of the Righteous players, and Flip-Mat: Desert Ruins will be useful for people playing Mummy's Mask.
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How difficult would it be to expand the maps you have in the APs and sell them? Just a random question.
Vic has covered this topic at length. Right now as it stands it is very costly (basically the amount for the maps would be almost as much if not more then say the entire art budget for a bestiary) and they would need to have the entire adventure paths written in order to do the maps before hand.
Vic has mentioned though that if someone could figure out a cost effective way to print maps out at a cheaper cost then what they can achieve they would consider it.
But yes I too would love the maps for the entire adventure path.. or even one map from an adventure path too :)
Perfect for a Bar Room Blitz
...annnnnnndd...I just spent a day re-doing the Waterfront Tavern map on a laser printer and assembling it this past weekend.
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Well, I can take an AP over to Kinko's and them blow up the image, but it rarely looks nice. The artwork is done for each AP, they just need to expand and print it. Though the cost of doing such is high, you could off-set it by selling each pack at say $ 2.00 a pack and have them set up like the map packs. If I knew how much each card costs them to produce, I would have better figures. Essencially, try to make 75 to 100 percent profit. Though costly it may be to us, I imagine that they could start by printing say, 1/10 the number of books they print, and release them on opposite months of each AP.
...annnnnnndd...I just spent a day re-doing the Waterfront Tavern map on a laser printer and assembling it this past weekend.
Ooooh. Sorry!
Thank you so much for bringing back the Waterfront Tavern. Now I can use a more accurate map for the PSOP scenarios that call for it!
You are welcome. I knew it was a popular map, and one used often in Society play, so I figured, as long as I was giving some new content as well, I could put a smaller trimmed-down version of that map on this product as well.
Well, I can take an AP over to Kinko's and them blow up the image, but it rarely looks nice. The artwork is done for each AP, they just need to expand and print it. Though the cost of doing such is high, you could off-set it by selling each pack at say $ 2.00 a pack and have them set up like the map packs. If I knew how much each card costs them to produce, I would have better figures. Essencially, try to make 75 to 100 percent profit. Though costly it may be to us, I imagine that they could start by printing say, 1/10 the number of books they print, and release them on opposite months of each AP.
The trouble is, it will look crappy if Paizo blow it up too. The scale of the image is the problem. The artwork/cartography that has been done isn't suitable for flip mats. The cost of printing them is likely negligible, but all the images would need to be redone at a much greater scale - I saw James Jacobs guesstimate the cost of an AP's worth of maps at some point on the forums and it was a couple of hundred dollars.
Well, I can take an AP over to Kinko's and them blow up the image, but it rarely looks nice. The artwork is done for each AP, they just need to expand and print it. Though the cost of doing such is high, you could off-set it by selling each pack at say $ 2.00 a pack and have them set up like the map packs. If I knew how much each card costs them to produce, I would have better figures. Essencially, try to make 75 to 100 percent profit. Though costly it may be to us, I imagine that they could start by printing say, 1/10 the number of books they print, and release them on opposite months of each AP.
You're not the first to suggest something like this, and the problem is... it doesn't work like that.
The art is commissioned at a particular size. Scaling it up or down, no matter who does it, results in exactly the same poor image you see when you do it at Kinko's. To do it properly, a separate version of the map would need to be ordered and paid for, one that is several times the size (and thus cost) of the map as it is published in the AP volume.
Edit: Ninja'd!
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Also, many adventures have really large maps. Take the Ruins of Sumitha from Pathfinder 58—at minis scale, that map would be more than 10 feet tall by more than 6 feet wide. The total area of that map—just one of many in a single adventure—would be greater than that of *13* Flip-Mats.
Also, many adventures have really large maps. Take the Ruins of Sumitha from Pathfinder 58—at minis scale, that map would be more than 10 feet tall by more than 6 feet wide. The total area of that map—just one of many in a single adventure—would be greater than that of *13* Flip-Mats.
DO IT!
Also, many adventures have really large maps. Take the Ruins of Sumitha from Pathfinder 58—at minis scale, that map would be more than 10 feet tall by more than 6 feet wide. The total area of that map—just one of many in a single adventure—would be greater than that of *13* Flip-Mats.DO IT!
I agree, I would buy it.
However, instead of making it a fold-up flip mat, have it be similar to the same material of those Gale Force Nine roll-up maps.
Yes, GF9 makes similar maps already, but these would official PF maps for the APs. :)
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What's the thought on the small tavern that connects to the sewer? What's the black? Does is butt up to a mountain-side or a city wall with a sewer inside?Did you notice the stairs leading down into the bar?
Actually, no, I didn't. So there's a street-level floor and an open-ceiling basement-level floor, with access to the stores... and the sewer. Cool. [I will point out, though - I know, it's fantasy and about fitting everything in the space given, not architecture - that it's odd to have your cellar under your neighbor's building, rather than under your own ground floor.]
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Actually it is not that rare where I live (northern Germany)to have a bar at cellar level that occupies at least some space beneath neighboring buildings - and I would guess that not the whole area is 'open ceiling', but showing the above floor would greatly diminish the use of the bar map...
Any hope of this being reprinted? This looks like an excellent map that I would love to own, but third-party sellers are charging an obscene amount since it's OOP.
You may wish to look at the Flip Map Classic line. I see that this map is available here.