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I'm torn. I have the original Rise of the Runelords AP books, but not the Anniversary edition (in any form). Had this come out two weeks ago, before I spent a significant amount on the Black Friday sale, I wouldn't have hesitated. However, I'm in the process of buying a house and having to commit today in order to get the PDF's is just too soon.
i actualy buy the rule of fear, and i try so hard to get my money back... (that was at amazon, and im from another country) so the process was so expensive to me.
i was looking for a W. F. Shnider response, but i cant get him (my goal is an errata for that book in pdf with the missing files)
now that u mention the correct place to put an issue, can you tel me where is it?
maybe a link or something
it will be nice, if jason or someone of the paizo´s answer at this point all those question
(and if theyre reading i want to say thanks for this awesome game, and im still waiting my errata for rule of fear, since you say that the kavapesta issue was removed for space, so, i guess kavapesta was created at all, with that mapping, and cultural, an haunts and all of that like Karkau does for example) so i think it cost you nothing upload that missing file
Kavapesta is probably the biggest editing mistake in Paizo's history.
All of the missing text is freely available on-line here.
That link is to F. Wesley Schneider's response to the problem.
I think you are mistaken if you believe that Kavapesta should have an entry in Chapter 4: Cities and Settlements. There is nothing to indicate that an article similar to that for Caliphas, Karcau or Lepidstadt was ever intended.
The Kavapesta mistake is that the entry in Chapter 3: Counties has been copied from page 10. It should have been the text F. Wesley Schneider posted in the product thread.
If you have a specific error with a Paizo product (like missing pages, blank pages, pages glued shut... common printing problems) then use the Customer Services Forum to ask for help. My experience is that the CS at Paizo is very helpful and prompt.
that 15 lines of text are not enough for fix a mistake, as a buyer, i deserve more than this... not just a two lines of text.
i espect at least some respect to us, i mean, if they commit that huge mistake, at least a pdf errata with all of the missing parts.
they announced that will be an increment in theyre products prices, theyre asking money for theyre game (which will be sold to us), theyre selling us this box with errors (handout 16), and probably a 100 pages glued and ruined... and still they offer us nothing for that price?
just a compilation of an old story in a nixe cover box... not enough to me
maybe if i buy it, can i change the pictures for all those things i mention before?
why theyre arent answer this?
They offer you a product, you buy it or you dont. What's to "answer"?
They're not going to 'swap' the prints in this product for a pdf "errata" for Rule of Fear (was that a serious question?). If you decide to buy it and get a book with the pages glued together I can all but guarantee they'll replace it for you. They explained why the prices are going up (for the first time in what...five years?). Things get more expensive over time, wages go up, they employ more people...Stuff costs more to make so stuff gets sold for more - it's how the world works.
Paizo are making hardly any profit on this specific product as is (if any) - it's not something they've done for the money, it's something they've done to celebrate where they've managed to come over the last five years. Some of us are joining in with that celebration (and gladly so) but there's no expectation that you have to.
If you think their stuff is too expensive, dont buy it. Personally I think it's too cheap.
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To judas 147:
I will repeat an earlier response to your constant complaining about Paizo's products:
"I would rate their Customer Service people as top notch. I would also rate their products as top notch. The bottom line in my opinion is if you don't like the product, don't buy it. But don't bad mouth it here on their forum expecting them to cater to your desires alone. They are in the business to make money and make the Role-Playing experience as much fun as possible."
Yes, I do see your posts as being nothing more than whining and complaining that Paizo won't answer your requests directly and won't exchange parts of a product for other items. If you don't like their product or their prices for their products, you do not have to buy them. I am fairly certain that your lack of support is not going to cause them to close shop. You tempt me to hide this particular thread. I wish there were a way to hide your posts.
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My two cents not really needed but getting thrown in...
While there have been some things I didn't want to see happen by Paizo like increasing the subscriptions of the Module line and Companion Line to a 12 month subscription because I was concerned about the error rate increasing, I still believe they are a great company.
The product they have put out has raised the quality of the ENTIRE RPG industry, I personally believe. Granted there have been some errors but that stuff will happen. Well they keep at trying not to make those mistakes? Yes I believe they will. (I just didn't want them to increase by throwing out more issues when they seemed they coulnd't keep up with what they were putting out, which is maybe the reason for the price increase on some of the items, but once again that is a personal opinion.)
If they deliver a broken or defective product they make good on it and always have. Heck I have even seen them make good on a product that was purchased at another location than their own store but think those are VERY rare occasions. I am not concerned if I receve a product that is defective that they wouldn't make good on it. I STRONGLY recommend anyone else that they shouldn't worry about that as well.
The price increases I noticed the other day and haven't seen any real dicussion on it either (don't frequent the forum as much as I use to) but I do believ, or want to belive they are using it to make there product better and not line there pockets. Perhaps by getting more editors to help with the work load, or different packaging material to help with delivery of products. While it sucks the prices are going up it was bound to happen. At least it is not a GREAT increase.
I am really looking froward to this Deluxe edition and glad my wife conviced me to go ahead and purchase it.
To judas 147:
I will repeat an earlier response to your constant complaining about Paizo's products:I would rate their Customer Service people as top notch. I would also rate their products as top notch. The bottom line in my opinion is if you don't like the product, don't buy it. But don't bad mouth it here on their forum expecting them to cater to your desires alone. They are in the business to make money and make the Role-Playing experience as much fun as possible.
Yes, I do see your posts as being nothing more than whining and complaining that Paizo won't answer your requests directly and won't exchange parts of a product for other items. If you don't like their product or their prices for their products, you do not have to buy them. I am fairly certain that your lack of support is not going to cause them to close shop. You tempt me to hide this particular thread. I wish there were a way to hide your posts.
I agree with this opinion 100%.
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The price increases I noticed the other day and haven't seen any real dicussion on it either (don't frequent the forum as much as I use to) but I do believ, or want to belive they are using it to make there product better and not line there pockets. Perhaps by getting more editors to help with the work load, or different packaging material to help with delivery of products. While it sucks the prices are going up it was bound to happen. At least it is not a GREAT increase.
Product changes and new prices were first mentioned HERE in the blog, with discussion.
I am really looking froward to this Deluxe edition and glad my wife conviced me to go ahead and purchase it.
It should bring about 10lbs of fun (depending on what you put inside the case). Thankfully, it does not deliver a full ton of fun as that would be too great a strain on the back.
Fair warning, you might want to do some reps before trying to carry it around Karzoug-style. Hmmm . . . maybe a sling or Papoose for it to distribute the weight . . .
They offer you a product, you buy it or you dont. What's to "answer"?
They're not going to 'swap' the prints in this product for a pdf "errata" for Rule of Fear (was that a serious question?). If you decide to buy it and get a book with the pages glued together I can all but guarantee they'll replace it for you. They explained why the prices are going up (for the first time in what...five years?). Things get more expensive over time, wages go up, they employ more people...Stuff costs more to make so stuff gets sold for more - it's how the world works.
Paizo are making hardly any profit on this specific product as is (if any) - it's not something they've done for the money, it's something they've done to celebrate where they've managed to come over the last five years. Some of us are joining in with that celebration (and gladly so) but there's no expectation that you have to.
If you think their stuff is too expensive, dont buy it. Personally I think it's too cheap.
Capitalism, thats all. sorry if i bother u, i dont want to. i dont going to buy this (because to me looks empty), neither.
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Capitalism, thats all. sorry if i bother u, i dont want to. i dont going to buy this (because to me looks empty), neither.
and to me, adding dice, maps and other existing elements would cause duplicates in my shelves, as I already have the dice, the maps, ...
their CustServ is really great, they have a dedicated forum and email, where you can get answers (while the answer might not be satisfying to you is another story).
here's the deluxe edition topic and I'm waiting for my expensive belgian delivery of this one :)
it would be expensive if it was a monthly product... but it's a one-time shot, and I like it (like a lot of other ppl)
Capitalism, thats all. sorry if i bother u, i dont want to. i dont going to buy this (because to me looks empty), neither.They offer you a product, you buy it or you dont. What's to "answer"?
They're not going to 'swap' the prints in this product for a pdf "errata" for Rule of Fear (was that a serious question?). If you decide to buy it and get a book with the pages glued together I can all but guarantee they'll replace it for you. They explained why the prices are going up (for the first time in what...five years?). Things get more expensive over time, wages go up, they employ more people...Stuff costs more to make so stuff gets sold for more - it's how the world works.
Paizo are making hardly any profit on this specific product as is (if any) - it's not something they've done for the money, it's something they've done to celebrate where they've managed to come over the last five years. Some of us are joining in with that celebration (and gladly so) but there's no expectation that you have to.
If you think their stuff is too expensive, dont buy it. Personally I think it's too cheap.
I'm not bothered, more confused, to be frank.
They dont really want to discuss more general pricing issues here in the product pages, but I bet if you started a thread under Paizo publishing forum you'd get some decent feedback and/or explanation as to the philosophy/necessity behind pricing this (and not issuing what you term errata/etcetera).
Capitalism, thats all. sorry if i bother u, i dont want to. i dont going to buy this (because to me looks empty), neither.They offer you a product, you buy it or you dont. What's to "answer"?
They're not going to 'swap' the prints in this product for a pdf "errata" for Rule of Fear (was that a serious question?). If you decide to buy it and get a book with the pages glued together I can all but guarantee they'll replace it for you. They explained why the prices are going up (for the first time in what...five years?). Things get more expensive over time, wages go up, they employ more people...Stuff costs more to make so stuff gets sold for more - it's how the world works.
Paizo are making hardly any profit on this specific product as is (if any) - it's not something they've done for the money, it's something they've done to celebrate where they've managed to come over the last five years. Some of us are joining in with that celebration (and gladly so) but there's no expectation that you have to.
If you think their stuff is too expensive, dont buy it. Personally I think it's too cheap.
I'm not bothered, more confused, to be frank.
They dont really want to discuss more general pricing issues here in the product pages, but I bet if you started a thread under Paizo publishing forum you'd get some decent feedback and/or explanation as to the philosophy/necessity behind pricing this (and not issuing what you term errata/etcetera).
youre right, im sorry for this behavior...
i will start a thread at paizo question for this and other issues. Good day to all of you!!
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Got mine today as well. Seemed to have a few dings on the case. I did notice I have a double of the Background Picture to Sins of the Saviors and I'm missing the Meresiel Picture.
Not a big enough deal for me to care (I don't particularly like Meresiel, and I loved that background of 5). However, I was curious if anyone else had this issue. Any slight damage to your case?
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Got mine today as well. Seemed to have a few dings on the case. I did notice I have a double of the Background Picture to Sins of the Saviors and I'm missing the Meresiel Picture.
Not a big enough deal for me to care (I don't particularly like Meresiel, and I loved that background of 5). However, I was curious if anyone else had this issue. Any slight damage to your case?
Send customer service an email regarding the missing picture and we can sort that out for you.
Got mine today too. HOLY SMURF this thing is huge!!! I feel the need to put it on a pedestal and heavily trap the room to keep it from adventures. An amazing, wonderful product.
I was right about the competence of the delivery driver. There was a thump on the porch tonight...
When I picked the package up, it was addressed to the next door neighbours. So I walked it on over, and lo and behold, sitting on their doorstep was a huge, and wet, box addressed to me. *rolls eyes*
So I delivered their mail, got my own, and am impressed by the packing. The delivery box was beginning to split from water damage, and has a hole punched right into it, but the inner protective box was perfectly fine.
As for the actual deluxe edition, all I can say is that the unpacking video doesn't do it justice. It's impressive, and in absolutely perfect shape, despite the state of the box it came in.
This is great news, thanks for sharing Paul Ryan!
I eagerly anticipate the arrival of my copy. My postman is quite reliable and caring to packages, but the shipping and handling before that step is what makes me anxious.
Gorgeous. Want. And with the PF advantage its already $170. A bit mire than half what I paid for Ptolus :-)
But my brain burst out my ears when the $70 shipping charge popped up. (Europe)
Ouch! Now I will really have to save.Deal with wife, she pays half. It's my Christmas pressie. Phew!
You paid way too much for Ptolus then. But you're right shipping to Europe is a b#&+@...
From what I heard, there are no map handouts, only letters and such.
But I don't have it in hand yet.
These sort of products don't come along everyday. I remember nearly not buying Ptolus because of the cost. My mint copy is now worth about ten times what I paid for it. Somethings you just have to have!
Just because some people list their Ptolus for such astronomical prices on amazon or ebay does not mean that it's actually worth that much. The buyers price will always determine actual worth and in this case it's not that much over the original retail.
From what I heard, there are no map handouts, only letters and such.
But I don't have it in hand yet.
It can be a little misleading in the description above.
Twenty-two full-color player handouts and key maps are printed on high-quality paper and tucked into slitted pages, allow players to hold important clues while leaving the GM with copies of his own.
This is describing the 22 handouts in the text, spread across all 6 chapters. Some are notes, some are letters, some are sketches of maps, some are journal entries. I think being described as "key maps" is where the description is misleading. The unboxing video cleared up (for me at least) that we weren't getting a map pack or flip mats.
EDIT: To not double post
Can anyone comment on the map handouts? I want to use them with the Runelords pawn collection but, the reviews for the map folio noted the page size was too small for that. I'm ok with working out the magnification required to scale it to 1" per 5' square and getting it printed at Staples but, it'd be so awesome if I could use em from the case.
As above, no maps included in the box proper. But if you have the PDF, it does contain all the encounter maps and you could scale up those images. It also has all the handouts for easy printing if you don't want your players' grimy paws all over your nice clean precious handouts OR (as I've mentioned before in this thread) if you need to cut some of them up (which you do) and don't want to put your preciouses under the knife.
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Just received the shipping notification that it was delivered. Skipped lunch today on the hope that it would arrive so I could go home to take it inside.
It is awesome! Only had time to take it out of the box and look at it for a few minutes, and now I can't wait for the workday to end to flip through it tonight. Nothing to add that is different from others who have received theirs, except to echo comments that I was amazed at how heavy the thing is. Pictures don't do it justice until you actually pick it up and hold it in your hands.
Definitely had the same excitement level as when I picked up Ptolus a few years ago at Gen Con, and the quality of the printing is on the same level and better with the case and the art prints. I remember thinking back then that I doubted there would ever be a comparable game book release in terms of the quality print and color presentation, but I am glad to say I was wrong.
I know there are no plans on the horizon for another project like this, but I will certainly jump on the next one if and when it comes out. If there is ever a core book release of a new edition of PF, I hope there is at least the possibiity that Paizo would give it the deluxe treatment.
I got my beautiful book yesterday, and regretfully it was not of the quality i had hoped. the metal clasp on the outside was broken at the hinge and disconnected, and on the actual book the last 100 pages or so had a white paste at the bottom effectively gluing the pages together. The book itself, the case, the handouts in the book and the prints are all beautifully done. While i understand in any given run there are bound to be a few fumbles that slip through the cracks (natural 1's happen), it was quite disappointing that my copy was one of those.
Sadly, I got mine today and my clasp also broke at the hinge after opening it. The tiny pin on the top side of the hinge came out. I haven't had the chance to look at it in more detail yet to see if there are other issues. I plan to check with customer service.
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I got my beautiful book yesterday, and regretfully it was not of the quality i had hoped. the metal clasp on the outside was broken at the hinge and disconnected, and on the actual book the last 100 pages or so had a white paste at the bottom effectively gluing the pages together. The book itself, the case, the handouts in the book and the prints are all beautifully done. While i understand in any given run there are bound to be a few fumbles that slip through the cracks (natural 1's happen), it was quite disappointing that my copy was one of those.Sadly, I got mine today and my clasp also broke at the hinge after opening it. The tiny pin on the top side of the hinge came out. I haven't had the chance to look at it in more detail yet to see if there are other issues. I plan to check with customer service.
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Emailed customer service this morning after I had a chance to look through the materials in more detail. Aside from the problems with the latch falling off noted above, everything else is great. The way the book is bound is so nice. I'm not 100% sure I prefer having the player handouts in the little pockets because it makes those pages stiffer when flipping through the book but overall there's just tons to love here. Well done Paizo.
Wow...I got my copy yesterday, and it is amazing! No problems at all with my copy. Great job, Paizo.
Got my copy in Austria yesterday: What an amazing product!
The 'book'-box is really sturdy and awesome as a display thing!
Were it not so damn exclusive, I'd get another one and put my dice and character sheet, pencils and such in to have it all in a stylish box.
The prints are great, but unfortunately I currently don't have the space to frame some and hang them for display.
The Adventure book is of killer design as well, the faux-leather is nice to the touch, the spine sturdy and an eye-catcher as well.
This thing is well worth the money asked for.
As for the protection of the product against shipping damages:
The book has a thin foam-foil on top, to protect against any possible scratches from the screws of the cases lid.
The case is packed in a thicker foam-foil in a cardboard-box. (This has the product name and info on it.
This cardboard box sits in the shipping box, surrounded by more foam-chips and space-holders.
Though the outer shipping box was a bit worse for wear from the transport, the product box had only a minor dent. The real product case and its content was in perfect condition.
Wow mine arrived to day in NZ, what an awesome book. And the smell....
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My book arrived yesterday. I just go the chance to look through it all this morning. I have to say I am thoroughly impressed. This book is incredible. If anyone is on the fence for this one I recommend you go for it! The level of quality is amazing. The leather like cover for the book is incredible. Just holding this book feels great. The heavier paper was a great choice for this product. I can't wait to run this adventure for my group.
This is cool but really, just start printing copies of all the handouts in Adventure Paths in their own item and you'll have some seriously happy GMs.
Got mine and I have to say: everything about it is awesome. I'm even keeping the shipping box with the plain ROTR logo for storing my Sandpoint Townfolks :D
I would ask this question in the customer service area. I know many orders have been delayed due to problems.
Just got mine and overrall very pleased, my one problem though is the latching mechanism fell off the presentation case immediately after opening.
That does sound like a defect. I'd notify customer service, maybe send them a picture by email?
Nooooooooo! I LITERALLY JUST FINALLY SAVED THE LAST PENNY I NEEDED TO PAY SHIPPING!
Sigh.
Being poor sucks. :P Heck, our gaming group pays for the AP subscription I have. Oh well.
I am in the unfortunate position that I have to sell my Deluxe Collector's Edition. Although it was bought with the best of intentions, sadly circumstances have meant it has lain unopened beyond the first opening and I need extra cash.
I could sell it on eBay but I would rather that it go to a loving home where I know that it will be well looked after.
However, I'm not willing to part with it for a song; I would need serious offers and consideration for shipping (I'm in the UK, and it's a heavy beast!)
I will, of course, provide pictures to attest to the condition of the volume. All of the prints are with the volume, and have only been out of the protective envelope once, this evening, in order to get photographs.
PM me if interested.