We are now a group of excited mail-checkers. Packages from Paizo usually take almost no time to arrive...want to bet this one takes longer than normal? :)
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Don't complain it'll take a lot longer to get here to New Zealand!
The email I got suggested 6 to 10 days to NZ. Knowing my luck, probably it'll sit in a courier's van over the weekend on top of that estimate. Hopefully they then don't use their patented box-breaking "walk halfway up the steps then throw the delivery the rest of the way" delivery technique.
My courier is a top bloke, it is the process before that damages it I reckon
Mine arrives next tuesday!
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pics and unboxing vids required!
Yeah it was a hard choice, the 95 -ish postage was the killer :(
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I'm glad to see that I'm not the only New Zealander crazy enough to be getting this. :)
From my limited exposure to Kiwis in their native environment (about a year spent in Auckland in 1978 working on the NZDOH unified patient records debacle^Wsystem) I'd say that the average craziness level is pretty high. Recent highlights from Air New Zealand (the safety video on their aircraft, and the terminal workers wearing "elf & safety" tabards to greet the aircraft bringing in the stars for the world premiere of "The Hobbit") have done nothing to change that opinion.
Well we did invent bunjy-jumping, jet boating among a few other bits of craziness :D
SirUrza: you are a superscriber, so it's just 170 (+ shipping).
After watching that video I'd kick myself if I didn't get it. My own personal christmas gift.
Oh the pain.. I just saw the video on youtube and I want this even more.. I just don't have $200. :(
Right there with ya, buddy. :(
A second question. Will the player handouts
be individual documents for ease of printing?
PDF contents are the same as the regular Anniversary Edition PDF. Understandable since the content and layouts are the same.
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JohnF well... How is it?
Pretty much like what you see in the unboxing video. That outer case is *heavy* (and the metal clasp drops down with a loud "clunk" if you let it), and the inner book is a pretty snug fit in the case - I prefer to tip it out, rather than try to pull it up. The book cover is slightly soft-surfaced - I'd suggest keeping it well away from sharp objects.
If you've got the regular Anniversary edition, you know what the actual book contents are. The paper is a little thicker, and the sheets incorporating the pockets for the handouts are even thicker than the regular pages. While I won't be taking the book along to the game every session (except for show-and-tell this week), I'll probably be using the handouts; they're much nicer than anything I can make myself from the PDF.
Apart from that, the Wayne Reynold's art prints (which are what prompted me to pick up this edition, even though I already have two copies of the anniversary edition) are every bit as good as I expected. I'm probably going to frame at least the iconics (and Karzoug) for when we set up our game room.
Just unboxed mine.
All I could do was shake my head and giggle for about 5 minutes.
This thing is even more intimidating than I had envisioned it. The unboxing video doesn't give you a great sense of its scale and only a hint as to its weight.
Couple of notes to other purchasers/potential purchasers:
JohnF has the right of it. The prints deserve to be in frames. Overall, I am not sad to have given Paizo my money for this product. If anything, it looks and feels like a well made Con Exclusive item . . . only, available to all! Once my Licktoad Goblin gets here, I will figure out a way to display it with two plush Goblin guards. That seems very appropriate.
Kudos to you, Paizo, on a completely awe-inspiring Deluxe Edition.
Creative Director
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Yeah... handout 6–1's reversed slot seems to be a universal thing—getting the slots engineered right was one of the last and trickiest things we did for the book. Sorry that one's reversed, but I'm glad it's the ONLY one that got reversed! :-)
And you can still get the thing out of its slot, so it's not a super big deal... just be careful to avoid ripping things up when you dig in for it! :)
And glad folks are enjoying the product—I've wanted to do something on this scale for many years, and it's really cool to see it finally a real thing!
Yeah... handout 6–1's reversed slot seems to be a universal thing—getting the slots engineered right was one of the last and trickiest things we did for the book. Sorry that one's reversed, but I'm glad it's the ONLY one that got reversed! :-)
From a design perspective, what drove the choice between side loading slots and top loading slots, since I see both kinds in here?
And glad folks are enjoying the product—I've wanted to do something on this scale for many years, and it's really cool to see it finally a real thing!
Would this be Paizo's first Artifact?
I know this just hit the street, but are there any further plans for more products of this display quality/cos-playability/utility in the future? (it really does hit all three)
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Yeah... handout 6–1's reversed slot seems to be a universal thing—getting the slots engineered right was one of the last and trickiest things we did for the book. Sorry that one's reversed, but I'm glad it's the ONLY one that got reversed! :-)From a design perspective, what drove the choice between side loading slots and top loading slots, since I see both kinds in here?
And glad folks are enjoying the product—I've wanted to do something on this scale for many years, and it's really cool to see it finally a real thing!Would this be Paizo's first Artifact?
I know this just hit the street, but are there any further plans for more products of this display quality/cos-playability/utility in the future? (it really does hit all three)
We have no further plans to do more products of this type in the future, but I suspect we will somewhere down the line as the inspiration strikes us.
As for the design reason for doing top loading versus side loading... that's a question for Sarah Robinson. I suspect the decision was random to a certain extent, since I can't think of any reason why to vary that.
It's only 5 or so years to the tenth anniversary of the Core Rulebook......
Yes I got the "This video is private" message. I would have liked to be able to see it.
I got my beautiful book yesterday, and regretfully it was not of the quality i had hoped. the metal clasp on the outside was broken at the hinge and disconnected, and on the actual book the last 100 pages or so had a white paste at the bottom effectively gluing the pages together. The book itself, the case, the handouts in the book and the prints are all beautifully done. While i understand in any given run there are bound to be a few fumbles that slip through the cracks (natural 1's happen), it was quite disappointing that my copy was one of those.
I got my beautiful book yesterday, and regretfully it was not of the quality i had hoped. the metal clasp on the outside was broken at the hinge and disconnected, and on the actual book the last 100 pages or so had a white paste at the bottom effectively gluing the pages together. The book itself, the case, the handouts in the book and the prints are all beautifully done. While i understand in any given run there are bound to be a few fumbles that slip through the cracks (natural 1's happen), it was quite disappointing that my copy was one of those.
Swing on over to the Customer Service section and leave a note. They may help you get a re-roll.
I got mine this afternoon. I am not disappointed. Went shopping for fancy lecterns for display...unfortunately they cost many times what the book itself cost. :) Guess I'll just put it in my display case.
This thing really is amazing Paizo. Thanks for making it.
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I got my beautiful book yesterday, and regretfully it was not of the quality i had hoped. the metal clasp on the outside was broken at the hinge and disconnected, and on the actual book the last 100 pages or so had a white paste at the bottom effectively gluing the pages together. The book itself, the case, the handouts in the book and the prints are all beautifully done. While i understand in any given run there are bound to be a few fumbles that slip through the cracks (natural 1's happen), it was quite disappointing that my copy was one of those.
ask for a replacement, its unfair that u had payed a lot of money for a "fumbled" one...
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Announced! The main product image is a photograph of the actual outer presentation case, and the additional image at the bottom is a photograph of the actual book. We'll add additional photos as we're able to.this edition could be more exquisite if it costs less moeny or have more items on it. For example: the RotRL aniversary edition players guide, the RotRL item card deck, a game master screen themeed with the RotRL, the set of Q-workshop RotRL dice set, The map folio for RotRL, and at least 4 blank character sheet...
Paizo´s are you starving or something?
Its cost too much money for just an special edition for a book (even with the handouts, the pdf and the picture or photos)...
and you tell me because you just make a compillation and an actualization for and old adventure u people want the pearls of heavens for it?Let me explain something here to make a point:
The book copy of dante´s inferno with the william blake painting edition hard cover, costs at much 70 dlls... we are talking about an epic art and philosophy item, and cultural/history book from another era... so...
The witcher 2 Collector pc game has the following:
-Set of five d6 awesome dices
-art book
-pc 2 discs game
-card deck
-main character statue
-making of
-soundtrack,
-dlcs
-2 world themed coins (made from iron)
-a map of the world and at reverse a map of the sites youll adventure
-a leter from one king
-a game guideThe box weights at least a 8 pounds... and it costs only 77.95 dlls
So or you add those things i mention, or i do not buy it (maybe you dont care but i have a point here). thats it
check for the info here
http://www.amazon.com/The-Witcher-Assassins-Collectors-Edition-Pc/dp/B004CQ RCF4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1354425829&sr=8-4&keywords=the+witc her+2
Video game industry and RPG industry are apples and oranges. Witcher is an AAA class game, and can expect to sell over a million of regular copies and several tens of thousands of collector's edition. In such case you can afford to spread the production costs and have much more stuff in Collector's ed.
In RPGs, the regular product sells tens of thousands at very best, and collector ed's go in thousands (or even just one thousand, if you're lucky). You don't get the luxury of spreading the production costs around.
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I got my beautiful book yesterday, and regretfully it was not of the quality i had hoped. the metal clasp on the outside was broken at the hinge and disconnected, and on the actual book the last 100 pages or so had a white paste at the bottom effectively gluing the pages together. The book itself, the case, the handouts in the book and the prints are all beautifully done. While i understand in any given run there are bound to be a few fumbles that slip through the cracks (natural 1's happen), it was quite disappointing that my copy was one of those.ask for a replacement, its unfair that u had payed a lot of money for a "fumbled" one...
Yea second ask for another copy. With pictures. Pictures truly help with anything.
Just hope when my copy arrives I don't "roll a one".
ok i admit the video game sells a lot of copies
but 200 dollars for a book?
in my profession, one test (DSMIV for example) cost at max the half of that and its made for tratitment of mental illnes, diagnosis and personality issues, help the people to live better...
the don quijote´s book (4 tomes hard cover) costs as much 50 dollars all of them!!
im just saying they can give us more for that expensive cost!!
If all you want is the book then may I suggest the Anniversary Edition to you. in this case I think you're underestimating just how much of the cost is tied up in the box and the book itself. It's not so much about the content as the amount of care that has gone into the various pieces.
Now that being said it also includes 15 Wayne Reynolds prints and I would imagine that would cost a fair amount to get by themselves. And the built in handouts is a huge thing for me, it's probably the single thing that most sold me on this book.
I guess so, Wayne Reynolds must ask for a payment for his job, and im agree with... but, i think its too much for a book itself, i know the book are awesome, much as paizo´s can do... but it can be even more for that price
its an insane price for just a book and 15 pictures... the hand out its a nice detail, but...
how many cost to paizo make theyre own items?
not quite much, for a company wich has the sale rate of theyre items at the best in the market...
lets see:
Face Cards: Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path 8.79
Rise of The Runelords Dice, Set of 7 13.32
the players guide 4.50
Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path Pawn Collection 10.87
Item Cards: Rise of the Runelords Deck (Gamemastery) 9.99
4character sheet let say 2cents for each as much...
the map folio 12.50
59.97 and this is the cost for sale, the production cost is at much a third of that... so, 59.97/3=19.99 plus the box, plus the book, plus the handouts and the wayne reynolds pictures...
with all of that mix with the massive develop, i can say it cost to paizo´s (with all of that things inside) a $70/each copy and i go so high with... and theres 130 dlls to keep for themselves...
i actualy buy at Q-workshop company, and a single set with my design cost 2dlls the piece, then, after the set is created, they lower theyre prices to the cost, and i make some writes at imprent, for one book i wrote. thats cost me 20 dollars the first copy, and the subsequent copies, cost me 5... and thats for a single person price, not for a company which make deals and get special agrees with other companies to lower prices!!
the art in RotRL are awesome, the campaign itself is beuty, i can spend my 200 in that copy, but to me it is no worth at all, to me is empty. i do understand the feeling and all of that, but the sentimental price is too high for what it deserves to cost to me!!
sorry, i dont go with this politic of being consumist and keep quiet with a something like this comes out. i promise this is my last post in this thread, but think twice before spent a lot of money in something empty as this
I'd have paid considerably more. I don't think there's a "correct" price for something like this.
Berik's suggestion of the anniversary edition is a good one if the book is the main thing that you're looking for.
ok sorry but i have to share this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1601250606/ref=sr_1_17_olp?ie=UTF8&a mp;qid=1354443507&sr=8-17&keywords=rise+of+the+runelords&condit ion=used
i dont know the politics in usa about the re-selling issues, but i think those prices are so ilegal for a free product!!
are paizo aware of this?
That's an actual print-product that never was free - the pdf-version of the Player's Guide was, though.
The reason for the price is, most likely, that it's out of print and no longer available even in the Paizo store. As to whether anyone is willing to pay that much for something they can download legally for no cost at all is another question.
ok sorry but i have to share this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1601250606/ref=sr_1_17_olp?ie=UTF8&a mp;qid=1354443507&sr=8-17&keywords=rise+of+the+runelords&condit ion=used
i dont know the politics in usa about the re-selling issues, but i think those prices are so ilegal for a free product!!
are paizo aware of this?
Those would be Amazon bots trying to outbid each other. Cranking up the re-seller price in pennies each time they scan and cycle through. Gone unchecked, you get situations like this or the even more maddening case where the resellers are trying to discount each other and sell it for $0.
And as Kajehase pointed out, its a free PDF here on Paizo. Even the updated player's guide is a FREE PDF download. If someone doesn't look around first to see that their $420 (current amazon reseller price) is buying a 5 pack of a 16 page booklet, that isn't even the first part of the adventure(selling for much less) . . . caveat emptor.
In the case of this DCE version of RotRL, The cost is wrapped up in the construction. The black leather-like exterior of both the case and the book. The heavier paper stock used in the book. The custom pages with the slits to hold the handouts (with the handouts tucked inside). The cast metal (in aluminum or white brass? a guess since it is a non-ferrous metal) border wrapping the case on the front and back and screwed into place. The laser cut (or die-cut) working metal clasp. And lastly, I would guess that these were hand assembled. Each of those points of construction, coupled with the limited production run, raises the price point significantly from a simple mass produced book (like any of Paizo's hardbacks). Based on the way it looks and feels in hand, I'm surprised that it ONLY cost $200.
And that $200 buys you a display quality, but functional, art piece. You want to put it up on a bookshelf or on a lectern with a spotlight on it. You want to put it in a glass display case between your replica Sting and DL-44 Heavy Blaster Pistol. You want to reveal it at the table for the first session of RotRL and smile wickedly when you drop that metal clasp with a resounding clunk. You want to look more badass cosplaying as Karzoug. I cannot say the same (or similar things) about my CE Batman:Arkham Asylum.
And that $200 buys you a display quality, but functional, art piece. You want to put it up on a bookshelf or on a lectern with a spotlight on it. You want to put it in a glass display case between your replica Sting and DL-44 Heavy Blaster Pistol. You want to reveal it at the table for the first session of RotRL and smile wickedly when you drop that metal clasp with a resounding clunk. You want to look more badass cosplaying as Karzoug. I cannot say the same (or similar things) about my CE Batman:Arkham Asylum.
...here are people saying that the product comes with errors, like handout #6, or that poor guy who pays 200 and recieve a book case broken, and the last 100 pages in blank ando glued each other... and i dont read paizos saying nothing about change that item...
here are people saying that the product comes with errors, like handout #6,
Indeed. I noted that it was different than the other handout pouches, wondering if I had an anomaly like my 3.0 PHB with the duplicated pages and missing chapter. It makes 1 handout a little more difficult to get to than others, but it is not impossible and doesn't really diminish the piece as a whole.
or that poor guy who pays 200 and recieve a book case broken, and the last 100 pages in blank ando glued each other... and i dont read paizos saying nothing about change that item...
As mentioned above, that would be an issue iZombie needs to bring to Customer Service to resolve. Either by email or by creating a thread on the Customer Service section of the message board.
Production errors occur, even on products where the majority of steps are automated (see my PHB example above). For a product with this many hands-on steps in its construction, it would be folly to think that every single one of them would be perfect. And the congenial manner in which Paizo's Customer Service conducts itself, all they need is a note or message in the appropriate location to start the processes of making it right.
In reference to Paizo's Customer Service, I have had a few issues I needed to contact them about. Such as not receiving what I was subscribed to, receiving something I had not ordered, pages coming loose from the bindings, and a few others. I never had to pay for the item a second time. They very nicely sent what would correct the problem and without charging shipping either.
I would rate their Customer Service people as top notch. I would also rate their products as top notch. The bottom line in my opinion is if you don't like the product, don't buy it. But don't bad mouth it here on their forum expecting them to cater to your desires alone. They are in the business to make money and make the Role-Playing experience as much fun as possible.
Understand this is my opinion and I am not in anyway associated with Paizo.
Personally, I'm on the fence. Looks awesome but due to the awesomeness it's life likely relegated to a display piece, at least in my gaming abode. Inevitably actual usage = wear and tear.
Decisions, decsions....why can't I just have it all? ;)
Buy two, one for gaming one for display ;-)
i actualy buy the rule of fear, and i try so hard to get my money back... (that was at amazon, and im from another country) so the process was so expensive to me.
i was looking for a W. F. Shnider response, but i cant get him (my goal is an errata for that book in pdf with the missing files)
now that u mention the correct place to put an issue, can you tel me where is it?
maybe a link or something
it will be nice, if jason or someone of the paizo´s answer at this point all those question
(and if theyre reading i want to say thanks for this awesome game, and im still waiting my errata for rule of fear, since you say that the kavapesta issue was removed for space, so, i guess kavapesta was created at all, with that mapping, and cultural, an haunts and all of that like Karkau does for example) so i think it cost you nothing upload that missing file
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i actualy buy the rule of fear, and i try so hard to get my money back... (that was at amazon, and im from another country) so the process was so expensive to me.
i was looking for a W. F. Shnider response, but i cant get him (my goal is an errata for that book in pdf with the missing files)
now that u mention the correct place to put an issue, can you tel me where is it?
maybe a link or something
it will be nice, if jason or someone of the paizo´s answer at this point all those question
(and if theyre reading i want to say thanks for this awesome game, and im still waiting my errata for rule of fear, since you say that the kavapesta issue was removed for space, so, i guess kavapesta was created at all, with that mapping, and cultural, an haunts and all of that like Karkau does for example) so i think it cost you nothing upload that missing file
Kavapesta is probably the biggest editing mistake in Paizo's history.
All of the missing text is freely available on-line here.
That link is to F. Wesley Schneider's response to the problem.
I think you are mistaken if you believe that Kavapesta should have an entry in Chapter 4: Cities and Settlements. There is nothing to indicate that an article similar to that for Caliphas, Karcau or Lepidstadt was ever intended.
The Kavapesta mistake is that the entry in Chapter 3: Counties has been copied from page 10. It should have been the text F. Wesley Schneider posted in the product thread.
If you have a specific error with a Paizo product (like missing pages, blank pages, pages glued shut... common printing problems) then use the Customer Services Forum to ask for help. My experience is that the CS at Paizo is very helpful and prompt.