Okay, before I make my final decision, I need to know EXACTLY what benefits I'm getting out of this deal compared to the regular anniversary edition. The problem is the standard anniversary edition is very vague in what it gives compared to this one. I need comparisons. Especially if I'm going to shell out an additional $110 dollars.
As I understand it, the extra cost gives you:
The presentation case and the 15 prints.
The book is basically the same, except you also get:
Nicer paper. Imitation leather cover. Spiffy spine, trappings and so forth. Cloth bookmark. 22 Player Handouts.
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.... My husband just okay'd this as a birthday present for me. With the money from our wedding.
So happy.
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Okay, before I make my final decision, I need to know EXACTLY what benefits I'm getting out of this deal compared to the regular anniversary edition. The problem is the standard anniversary edition is very vague in what it gives compared to this one. I need comparisons. Especially if I'm going to shell out an additional $110 dollars.As I understand it, the extra cost gives you:
The presentation case and the 15 prints.
The book is basically the same, except you also get:
Nicer paper. Imitation leather cover. Spiffy spine, trappings and so forth. Cloth bookmark. 22 Player Handouts.
So basically, once I get the pdf version that I'd get either way, I could print off those 22 handouts but they wouldn't be as nice or official, and would probably cost me about $2 in paper and toner.
Ooo, shiny...
Now, where to get the money...
So basically, once I get the pdf version that I'd get either way, I could print off those 22 handouts but they wouldn't be as nice or official, and would probably cost me about $2 in paper and toner.Okay, before I make my final decision, I need to know EXACTLY what benefits I'm getting out of this deal compared to the regular anniversary edition. The problem is the standard anniversary edition is very vague in what it gives compared to this one. I need comparisons. Especially if I'm going to shell out an additional $110 dollars.As I understand it, the extra cost gives you:
The presentation case and the 15 prints.
The book is basically the same, except you also get:
Nicer paper. Imitation leather cover. Spiffy spine, trappings and so forth. Cloth bookmark. 22 Player Handouts.
I'd guess the case and the 15 prints is a significant part of the cost. But I'm pretty sure you're not getting any extra actual content, correct.
As I understand it, it's mainly about the look and feel - not about any extra stuff.
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Ouch! $200 is nothing to sneeze at.
Currently, I'm being torn between the 'must have' instinct and the state my savings are in...
Nope. Sorry. This one is beyond affordability for me :(
You'd get your AP discount, of course (I'm not trying to talk you into it or anything - but it might be significant on a product this price).
Any idea how much this will weigh? Somewhat more than the CRB?
IIRC the credit card isn't made until the item ships, right? So, plenty of time to sell blood and other kinds of fluids.... like agua de jamaica :P
The worst part is that I don't think I'll cancel my regular RotRL special edition, 'cause I think it will be hard to have ALL the writers of the AP in a single place, and PaizoCon 2012 is THAT place :D
So basically, once I get the pdf version that I'd get either way, I could print off those 22 handouts but they wouldn't be as nice or official, and would probably cost me about $2 in paper and toner.Okay, before I make my final decision, I need to know EXACTLY what benefits I'm getting out of this deal compared to the regular anniversary edition. The problem is the standard anniversary edition is very vague in what it gives compared to this one. I need comparisons. Especially if I'm going to shell out an additional $110 dollars.As I understand it, the extra cost gives you:
The presentation case and the 15 prints.
The book is basically the same, except you also get:
Nicer paper. Imitation leather cover. Spiffy spine, trappings and so forth. Cloth bookmark. 22 Player Handouts.
With that argument, I don't see why you would get the physical copy at all.
Saying that, I am in complete agreement that I need a comparison list before I pay more than double the price.
If it's just higher quality it's not as motivational as if it's actual extra content.
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I'd guess the case and the 15 prints is a significant part of the cost. But I'm pretty sure you're not getting any extra actual content, correct.
As I understand it, it's mainly about the look and feel - not about any extra stuff.
That's what I'm thinking too. See, I'm in the same predicament as
Midnight_Angel. This isn't really affordable in the same sense as the anniversary version is, unless the devs can convince me that this is more than just a conversation piece. I admit that it'd be nice to have the prints, have handouts I don't have to make copies of myself, and the bookmark so I don't have to fold pages. However, during an economic crisis in North America, they're asking a bit much for the shiny case. However, if the price is justifiable and not just for the metal casing, then I'm all ears and willing to haggle.With that argument, I don't see why you would get the physical copy at all.
Saying that, I am in complete agreement that I need a comparison list before I pay more than double the price.
If it's just higher quality it's not as motivational as if it's actual extra content.
Because I like having a hard copy in my hands. I'm getting the pdf regardless with it so there's no questioning that aspect of things.
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Any idea how much this will weigh? Somewhat more than the CRB?
Good question.
And the second question is:Under what kind of description will it appear in the invoice?
If it count as a book we oversea buyers will be paying a reasonably low VAT e custom tax.
If it appear as gaming paraphernalia it will go up a lot, probably costing us an extra 50%.
So Vic it is very important for us to know under what category it will be listed in the invoice. Can you ask the appropriate department and inform us?
Thanks.
IIRC the credit card isn't made until the item ships, right? So, plenty of time to sell blood and other kinds of fluids.... like agua de jamaica :P
The worst part is that I don't think I'll cancel my regular RotRL special edition, 'cause I think it will be hard to have ALL the writers of the AP in a single place, and PaizoCon 2012 is THAT place :D
I just ordered mine with no charge. From memory they put a small, temporary hold on your card the first time you preorder but that once your a subscriber they forgo that formality. (I wouldnt make that claim with any confidence though).
I'd guess the case and the 15 prints is a significant part of the cost. But I'm pretty sure you're not getting any extra actual content, correct.
As I understand it, it's mainly about the look and feel - not about any extra stuff.
That's what I'm thinking too. See, I'm in the same predicament as
Midnight_Angel. This isn't really affordable in the same sense as the anniversary version is, unless the devs can convince me that this is more than just a conversation piece. I admit that it'd be nice to have the prints, have handouts I don't have to make copies of myself, and the bookmark so I don't have to fold pages. However, during an economic crisis in North America, they're asking a bit much for the shiny case. However, if the price is justifiable and not just for the metal casing, then I'm all ears and willing to haggle.
I dont think they're going to try and twist anyone's arm - it seems like something of a special case to me:
Hope this is profitable though, would like to see stuff like this in the future when possible.We don't intend to *lose* money on it, but this product is much more about celebration than profit. The production costs on this are frankly kind of staggering, and even if we sell every copy—which we hope to do—the profits will be pretty low.
Let me put it this way—it's a paizo.com exclusive because if we had to sell it through retail channels (with the associated distributor and retailer markups) while keeping a normal profit margin, we'd probably have to price this much closer to a thousand dollars.
The worst part is that I don't think I'll cancel my regular RotRL special edition, 'cause I think it will be hard to have ALL the writers of the AP in a single place, and PaizoCon 2012 is THAT place :D
I won't be canceling my regular special edition pre-order either. But that will not be wrapped up and given to our nephew as a Christmas present. (Since we just got him into running pathfinder.)
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Gorgeous. Want. And with the PF advantage its already $170. A bit mire than half what I paid for Ptolus :-)
But my brain burst out my ears when the $70 shipping charge popped up. (Europe)
Ouch! Now I will really have to save.
Deal with wife, she pays half. It's my Christmas pressie. Phew!
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I'd guess the case and the 15 prints is a significant part of the cost. But I'm pretty sure you're not getting any extra actual content, correct.
As I understand it, it's mainly about the look and feel - not about any extra stuff.
That's what I'm thinking too. See, I'm in the same predicament as
Midnight_Angel. This isn't really affordable in the same sense as the anniversary version is, unless the devs can convince me that this is more than just a conversation piece. I admit that it'd be nice to have the prints, have handouts I don't have to make copies of myself, and the bookmark so I don't have to fold pages. However, during an economic crisis in North America, they're asking a bit much for the shiny case. However, if the price is justifiable and not just for the metal casing, then I'm all ears and willing to haggle.I dont think they're going to try and twist anyone's arm - it seems like something of a special case to me:
Hope this is profitable though, would like to see stuff like this in the future when possible.We don't intend to *lose* money on it, but this product is much more about celebration than profit. The production costs on this are frankly kind of staggering, and even if we sell every copy—which we hope to do—the profits will be pretty low.
Let me put it this way—it's a paizo.com exclusive because if we had to sell it through retail channels (with the associated distributor and retailer markups) while keeping a normal profit margin, we'd probably have to price this much closer to a thousand dollars.
Like I said, I'm willing to listen to their sales pitch on this thing. The two main issues I've got are: why would I get this over the standard anniversary edition (ie. what extras do I get by comparison?), and how much extra is shipping going to cost considering this thing probably weighs as much as a large brick?
The shipping is considerable - I'm overseas and had no option but priority. The software is estimating an additional $73.22 for one copy or $118.08 for two. :/
The shipping is considerable - I'm overseas and had no option but priority. The software is estimating an additional $73.22 for one copy or $118.08 for two. :/
Yikes! Given that I'm probably as far or even further away down here in Sydney, that's definately thrown my hopes of getting this out the window. 270 dollars is the price of two hand-and-a-half swords if I have that kind of disposable income. :P
Well - there's the AP discount for you so it's more like $240 but still.
I'm in Adelaide - a little further than you, but probably not so you'd notice. :p
Understandable I guess. Unfortunately I can't drink the kool-aid this time. All my major RPG budget for a long time has gone to the Rappan Athuk kickstarter, my purchase of Slumbering Tsar, and my regular Paizo subscriptions. Not to mention I'll already have all the material in this book from my regular edition...
Hope this is profitable though, would like to see stuff like this in the future when possible.
Wow...I really do have multiple personalities. And one of them has another Paizo account!
Also, to those complaining about the 'value', stop the madness. Limited edition products aren't about the value, it's about the extra. Instead of complaining that it isn't worth it, be thankful that Paizo is an straight enough company to forgo putting additional game content in the limited edition. This is about celebration.
A mini-adventure, taking the players from the death of the Runelord on to 20th level, exclusive to the Limited Edition would be the sort of thing that might fit right in to such a product, and that would make the choice not to get it a lot more painful.
Wow...I really do have multiple personalities. And one of them has another Paizo account!
Huh? Are you another one of my split personalities? I kind of lost count...
Also, to those complaining about the 'value', stop the madness. Limited edition products aren't about the value, it's about the extra. Instead of complaining that it isn't worth it, be thankful that Paizo is an straight enough company to forgo putting additional game content in the limited edition. This is about celebration.
*laughs* Sorry if I came across that way. I'm sure this edition is worth every cent for the collector and celebrator. It's just beyond what I am able (and willing) to part with. Of course, other ones' mileage will vary.
A mini-adventure, taking the players from the death of the Runelord on to 20th level, exclusive to the Limited Edition would be the sort of thing that might fit right in to such a product, and that would make the choice not to get it a lot more painful.
Ssssh... Don't give them ideas!
Actually, I have a proposal...
Paizo, make one of these for CoCT (Deluxe pathfinderized hardcover version), price it equal to this... and I'll order it in a heartbeat.
Deal?
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Is this a special but similar copy to the compilation coming out here in the next couple weeks? Wanting to gauge similarities/differences.This version is printed on thicker paper, has handouts tucked in slits inside the pages, has the foil-embossed imitation leather cover, the ribbon bookmark, the art prints, the *awesome* presentation case... but the editorial content of the book itself is *exactly* the same.
Repeating this because some people didn't see it...
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Any idea how much this will weigh? Somewhat more than the CRB?Good question.
And the second question is:
Under what kind of description will it appear in the invoice?
If it count as a book we oversea buyers will be paying a reasonably low VAT e custom tax.
If it appear as gaming paraphernalia it will go up a lot, probably costing us an extra 50%.
So Vic it is very important for us to know under what category it will be listed in the invoice. Can you ask the appropriate department and inform us?
Thanks.
It's a book, and will be declared as such.
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I want this book! I like limited editions. 200 $ is suitable for such a product. But 70$ shipping cost to Germany? Is that correct? In addition I must pay taxes and toll in Germany ca. 50$ for this product.
U not big Amazon with his cheap oversea shipping, I knwo that, but 70$ is to much. Heavy books from small Frog God Games r cheaper than Paizo.
As soon as we have an actual copy in hand, we will record a video that shows how massive the presentation case is (and how awesome and heavy), and it will put the charges into perspective.
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I love the fact that you can collect all of Paizo's content without getting the limited editions, but the swanky editions of things are still out there for those with deeper pockets.
It's the same with minis: you can have paper minis, tokens, pre-painted plastic or unpainted metal depending on your inclination and/or budget.
I can't justify buying this but I appreciate how awesome it will be for those who can. If there was exclusive content I might feel a bit irked but Paizo have been too classy for that.
It looks amazing, if my finances changed I would love to grab this.
I am not sure if i will preorder this book, but I really appreciated, that Paizo send an eMail informing us about this special offer BEFORE the "normal" book ships, giving us the choice to choose not to get the normal book!
Pretty awesome!
Indeed. In fact, this is how I became aware of the collector's edition.
U not big Amazon with his cheap oversea shipping, I knwo that, but 70$ is to much. Heavy books from small Frog God Games r cheaper than Paizo.
I don't believe that's the case. I paid $68 for Slumbering Tsar postage to the UK, and I believe that Rappan Athuk will be much the same. It's painful (and the reason I don't take out any subs other than the AP, or get my hardcovers from Paizo), but that's the way it is. I really don't believe there's a cheaper option - if there was, I know Paizo would have found it.
This also doesn't come at a good time for me - I can't justify adding this on top of my Rappan Athuk pledge, so I'll just be picking up the standard edition from my FLGS - but that doesn't detract from the fact that this is an awesome product, and kudos to Paizo for bringing it to the collectors.
A working metal latch? Seriously? That's so cool.
+1 on an earlier question - if I pre-order this, do I get the PDF in mid-July? I'd assume yes, 'cos it would suck to have to then wait to November.
+1 on an earlier question - if I pre-order this, do I get the PDF in mid-July? I'd assume yes, 'cos it would suck to have to then wait to November.
According to the mail I received, you'll get your PDF when your copy ships.Which would mean, you will have to wait until November.
.Edit: Found that mail.
As with the regular Anniversary edition, Pathfinder Adventure Path subscribers who preorder the Deluxe Collector's edition will get a free Rise of the Runelords PDF when the corresponding print edition ships--which means that if you're an AP subscriber and you cancel your preorder for the regular edition, your free PDF won't be available until the Deluxe Edition ships in November.
Emphasis mine.
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Okay so I recently asked to have my subscriptions suspended until August 1st since I'm moving to another address. My question is, if I preorder this now (I really don't want to miss out on this because I had to wait until August 1st), will the discount from my adventure path subscription apply once my subscriptions are back online? Or do I have to wait until my subscriptions are active to preorder this?
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Hey Vic I preordered mine about 30 minutes after its announcement how likely am I to get one, kinda frightened by the limited availability thing 0_0.No worries at all! As long as the "preorder" button is still available, you're golden.
(Obviously, we have no idea how long it will take to sell though, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't last a few months at least...)
Good thing you guys have never sold out of a book way before you thought you would.
Wait...
On the positive side, with my discount and existing store credit, this is way more affordable. :D
Ordered!
IIRC the credit card isn't made until the item ships, right? So, plenty of time to sell blood and other kinds of fluids.... like agua de jamaica :P
The worst part is that I don't think I'll cancel my regular RotRL special edition, 'cause I think it will be hard to have ALL the writers of the AP in a single place, and PaizoCon 2012 is THAT place :D
I'd ask what kind of picture I'd get for a $200 commission, except than I'd have to save up $400!! Damn you for making such awesome stuff Paizo!
Sigh..out off my price range..
Preordered.
Preordered.
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Damn you Paizo... Damn you...
On more serious matters this is awesome, even if it is going to cost me $250 after postage... at least it's not until November :p
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Announced! The main product image is a photograph of the actual outer presentation case, and the additional image at the bottom is a photograph of the actual book. We'll add additional photos as we're able to.
Everyone is complaining about where to find the money to buy this awesome prduct. I have solved that issue!
No Christmas gifts for the family. No anniversary gift for the missus. No birthday gifts for my brother, son, daughter and nephew. And best of all I think I'll skip paying college tuition for the fall semester for my son and daughter.Now - if I can avoid buying th wife a birthday gift I think I can re-subscribe to the battlecase miniature line......
Edit: One minor request - wish it included a PDF. For $200 was hoping we'd get one (even if you're not an AP subscriber).
Rather than having to wait 6 months for the PDF it might be nice to give the PDF of the new edition for free to those who preorder the deluxe edition *AND* already bought all of the original runelords via subscriptions (and thus have the PDFs available through Paizo already).