Another exception to the "always evil" thing undead created by a juju oracle are neutralThis is not true. Paizo's has stated that that ability is wrong, and any undead created by the juju oracle, no matter what the oracle's alignment, are evil.
Undead are animated by "evil" energies, period. Negative energy is inherently evil, is my understanding. Just as positive is "good".
The Juju Mystery which is the subject of much "debate" has possibly been replaced by the one found in the Player's Companion: Faiths and Philosophies, which does not grant any undead related abilities.
Note that the above linked Mystery was from the Serpent's Skull AP, 3 years ago. While F&P came out earlier this year.
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You know, all this has accomplished is two things.
I hate hellfire ray even more now.
And I'm never playing an undead charecter.
2 things, 1 I touched the pod/girl
2 the arch lich, is a lich which has saved someone's life or done a truly benevolent act. He is instantly purged of all evil and is animated by positive energy, regaining his human looks
didn't you already have an idea based on that atonement trait thing "absolute loyalty"
as the Adventure path previously mentioned shows the atonement spell is sufficiently strong to remove the evil of the intelligent undead (assuming they were not evil to begin with)
so that can still work
"Negative energy is inherently evil"
I'm not interested anymore. Not worth it.
inflict light wounds does not have the evil descriptor.
harm, no evil descriptor
the fell drain and fell animate metamagics do not give a spell the evil descriptor
Ah, interesting.
Didn't note that. But, what about clerics and their being forced to pick either cures or harm spells based on their evil/good?
Added: I suppose the act is determined as good or evil, not the inherent manipulation of magic. Interesting.
neutral clerics who worship neutral gods
still must choose one or the other
neutral clerics who worship neutral godsstill must choose one or the other
But if you choose negative energy you don't radiate evil, and if you choose positive, you don't radiate good.
Neither is inherently one or the other, or so i thought.
neutral clerics who worship neutral godsstill must choose one or the otherBut if you choose negative energy you don't radiate evil, and if you choose positive, you don't radiate good.
Neither is inherently one or the other, or so i thought.
Clerics do radiate an aura, if not mistaken, based on their good, so there is that. Hmmm. Okay, makes sense more and more.
Tell that to your God....
Sorry pelor I killed a few people with energy that comes from the negative plane....
Sorry all phone is losing service for a few days
..will post when possib
How about we move what appears to be a highly off-topic discussion to another thread?
Like, right this second?
Tell that to your God....
Sorry pelor I killed a few people with energy that comes from the negative plane....
What?
I'm still talking about a neutral person.Also-
It's no worse a way to die then getting stabbed.
Because a weapon was used to slay millions, does that make the weapon evil, or the person who used it evil?
Funny, because inflict wounds and harm are still one of the clerics better offensive spells, and even good clerics will use it.
How about we move what appears to be a highly off-topic discussion to another thread?
Sounds good. What thread?
Spells used that have the evil descriptor, will and should eventually change a character's alignment toward evil if used consistently...
Spells used that have the evil descriptor, will and should eventually change a character's alignment toward evil if used consistently...
But they don't have the evil descriptor.....
See fouls post above.
I'm making a thread for this.
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How about we move what appears to be a highly off-topic discussion to another thread?
What was off topic about the discussion?
Like, right this second?
I'll take no reply as a "yes"...
I was talking about DK's phone getting turned off.
... oh... nvm then
... wait... he traps our main characters for a few days just as we finally get back NOT AGAIN
here.
Thanks, Icehawk.
Is Kobold Cleaver telling us we are not allowed to have conversations that do not pertain to Avalon here in the discussion thread?
Hm, let's see.
I have no authority. I was making a suggestion, since I was tired of reading pages of discussion about something unrelated to Avalon in the Avalon discussion thread.
So I think the answer is 'sort of'. ;)
Is Kobold Cleaver telling us we are not allowed to have conversations that do not pertain to Avalon here in the discussion thread?
It's becoming lengthy, and likely a pain to read for those that aren't interested.
So moving it somewhere else is courtesy.
In my mind, a short talk about fetishes is one thing. At least it focuses on the Avalon players. Two pages about the evils of undead is about the Pathfinder RPG, though, so it doesn't really need to be here. I was asking if a new thread could be made, and one was, so I don't see any cause for a fuss.
I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. Whenever there's a something, be it in the game thread or here in the ooc thread, that doesn't interest me, I just skip over the posts.
Undead, souls, and magicks relating to both is something that I am really interested in. But for those who aren't, is it so hard to ignore it?
Well, as per the rules, the conclusion is-
Undead are always evil, no exceptions.
So i have now lost all hope for a proper undead pc ever.
Please remind me who all was involved in collecting the bits of wreckage from the life pod, as well as who may have touched the stasis pod directly.
Carl, was the wreckage put in stasis of some kind or was it simply frozen? How long would it have been on your ship before being put in stasis/ frozen, or was it canned and frozen/put in stasis before being placed in your hold?
I realize I could simply go back through the posts, but I am hoping I can get the answers without doing that.
It was canned , stasis/ frozen on site then put on the Hammer shaft, Carl was suited
Repp, I'll respond when I have WiFi. Need to link a song.
Icehawk, that's only in Golarion. Agartha (and homegames) can have different rules. ;D
Icehawk, that's only in Golarion. Agartha (and homegames) can have different rules. ;D
Yeah.
But agaritha wouldn't work for a good undead pc, in my opinion, and I've only ever once had a home game that wasn't mine, and it was very by the book, and i only got to stay there for two sessions.I hate dming.
And lastly, if the rules say no, then i can't argue.
I have to do everything by the book, because I'm stupid like that.
I could create one.
All the undead I summon or create starts with my alignment.
I am LN.
You don't hate DMing. You hated DMing for us.
I could create one.
All the undead I summon or create starts with my alignment.
I am LN.
Still, i don't feel an undead in this setting would work well.
You don't hate DMing. You hated DMing for us.
And now i can't stand it at all, because when i even think about it, that pops up in my head.
Grim is an undead race, right?
I could create one.
All the undead I summon or create starts with my alignment.
I am LN.
Still, i don't feel an undead in this setting would work well.
No worries. Just wanted to let you know there is an in-game way this could happen.
Grim is an undead race, right?
Yes and no.
He's a positive energy undead blended with another race of normal undead.In other words, he's whatever.
He's immune to negative energy and heals from positive.
No worries. Just wanted to let you know there is an in-game way this could happen.I could create one.
All the undead I summon or create starts with my alignment.
I am LN.
Still, i don't feel an undead in this setting would work well.
The reason i don't think it would work is simple-
It's too easy for me.
I want to play the shunning, the unnatural powers in a normal environment, and the downsides of being an undead to actually matter.
I thought i had found a way, but as per complicated rules fluff, atonement doesn't work, so neither will absolute loyalty.