The Avalon Chronicles

Game Master lynora

Except with fantasy, you can rewrite the stuff you don't like. Make a few edits. Go back a couple pages and scratch out a line.
This isn't reality and it doesn't have to suck.
If this is going to completely ruin everything, sometimes you just need to say f*** reality and make a change. It isn't reality and doesn't need to be unchangeable like it either.
I'm sorry but you can either have a couple inconsistencies and a living character that you like or you can stick with the blatant sucky reality.
I don't know about y'all, but I'm not here for realism.

ice .. where does the anti-energy come from?
and would a link to the positive energy plane and its un-ending supply of energy help him at all?

So energy kills him? What about negative energy? Seems like the opposite of something might actually help him in ths case.

Nope. Negative energy is just an opposition to normal energy-

This is really hard to explain...

But no, that won't work.

ice .. where does the anti-energy come from?

and would a link to the positive energy plane and its un-ending supply of energy help him at all?

From his body.

That would kill him instantly.

Except with fantasy, you can rewrite the stuff you don't like. Make a few edits. Go back a couple pages and scratch out a line.

This isn't reality and it doesn't have to suck.
If this is going to completely ruin everything, sometimes you just need to say f*** reality and make a change. It isn't reality and doesn't need to be unchangeable like it either.
I'm sorry but you can either have a couple inconsistencies and a living character that you like or you can stick with the blatant sucky reality.
I don't know about y'all, but I'm not here for realism.

Everything. Must. Be. Constant.

Ice, can I offer a suggestion before Adon is killed off? Just so you can say that you've covered all the bases and exhausted all other options?

Look, as far as I'm concerned, anti-matter is like solid negative energy.

Now, that aside, I'm starting to see Adon like a magic-only version of a sphere of annihilation. Let's just get a counter-measure in.

Ice, can I offer a suggestion before Adon is killed off? Just so you can say that you've covered all the bases and exhausted all other options?

Yes.

If we can get past the anti-magic effect long enough to do a reincarnate we can still save him. So...ideas for how to suppress the antimagic for a bit to let the spell effect him? Like I said, either that or change the parameters of his abilities a bit.

I really don't want you to end up being unhappy about this, ice. It's one thing to have a character die because that's what the plot calls for. But this is just tough as it's unforeseen consequences of the way an ability was planned.

Is it a property of his body or soul, because if it is a body thing at the very worst (other than death) we could put your brain in a construct body
First we could repeatedly try soul-jar or mind/body swap spells on a fake body

Look, as far as I'm concerned, anti-matter is like solid negative energy.

Now, that aside, I'm starting to see Adon like a magic-only version of a sphere of annihilation. Let's just get a counter-measure in.

There is only one countermeasure to a sphere of annihilation-

And it's also anti ki, anti kinetic and electric force, ect...

Oh, that will make things easier to explain then.

Who says Adon has to stay dead with that on his mind? What I mean to say is that if Adon has all of that going through his head at his time of death, could it be possible for him to become a ghost made of this anti-energy? or perhaps a swordwraith given their disposition to stay after death until a pledge or purpose has been fulfilled?

What happens to the anti-matter when there's no energy to feed on?

So if you sharpen up and stab Adon with a rod of cancellation, the "monster" dies and he can be ressurected by, like, breath of life or reincarnation or some such?

If you think of positive energy/etc like an electron, what Adon produces is like a positron.

If we can get past the anti-magic effect long enough to do a reincarnate we can still save him. So...ideas for how to suppress the antimagic for a bit to let the spell effect him? Like I said, either that or change the parameters of his abilities a bit.

I really don't want you to end up being unhappy about this, ice. It's one thing to have a character die because that's what the plot calls for. But this is just tough as it's unforeseen consequences of the way an ability was planned.

Yes. It has actually been shown in the plot quite a few times-

Over exertion leaves him near dead because of a lack of the type of energy.
So, should he die of over-exertion, yes, he can be reincarnated.

Also, I'm already getting over it.
I've got problems.

Still, i loved the concept, and was the most uniqueand i feasting concept I've made, and the one that actually made me feel i contributed something truly different.

But i made it wrong.

The most crushing part has to be that it's my lack of foresight that caused this.

So if you sharpen up and stab Adon with a rod of cancellation, the "monster" dies and he can be ressurected by, like, breath of life or reincarnation or some such?

No.

You didn't make it wrong. There's nothing wrong with a story being told - even if it does end in tragedy.

However -- as you said, Adon still has time.

Tybalt Baneko wrote:

So if you sharpen up and stab Adon with a rod of cancellation, the "monster" dies and he can be ressurected by, like, breath of life or reincarnation or some such?

No.

Why not? With the antimatter gone Adon would be fine, as the natural body functions would kick in to replace the antimatter.

You didn't make it wrong. There's nothing wrong with a story being told - even if it does end in tragedy.

However -- as you said, Adon still has time.

Yeah, i know.

icehawk333 wrote:

Tybalt Baneko wrote:

So if you sharpen up and stab Adon with a rod of cancellation, the "monster" dies and he can be ressurected by, like, breath of life or reincarnation or some such?

No.

Why not? With the antimatter gone Adon would be fine, as the natural body functions would kick in to replace the antimatter.

Rod of cancelation couldn't eat this stuff.

See his comment about positron.

Positive energy = electron
Negative energy = proton

Adon= positron

He's outside the spectrum entirely, so the rod of cancelation wouldn't have anything to eat up. He's not a sphere of animation (basically a omni-dimensional black hole).

So me modify it so that does. Simple.

Ice, did you see my suggestion? Would any of that work?

Adon becoming a swordwraith is a very good possibility considering the levels in fighter and monk, and even a simple purpose such as "I want to live" can bring a person back in that form if it's strong enough and their living for others.

Ice, did you see my suggestion? Would any of that work?

Adon becoming a swordwraith is a very good possibility considering the levels in fighter and monk, and even a simple purpose such as "I want to live" can bring a person back in that form if it's strong enough and their living for others.

His soul is ignored by the gods entirely, so this is somewhat of an option, if the anti-energy actually had something to feed on.

So me modify it so that does. Simple.

we would need to know more about it, but as said we have time

So me modify it so that does. Simple.

Everything. Must. Be. Constant.

It is one of the things that i expect from a world, fantasy or not.

Oh my.

Adon is going to become a Vestige...

There's an entire school full of radiant magic...

Oh my.

Adon is going to become a Vestige...

Actually, pritty much.

Dragonborn3 wrote:

So me modify it so that does. Simple.

icehawk333 wrote:

Everything. Must. Be. Constant.

It is one of the things that i expect from a world, fantasy or not.

You want to know something that's constant? People adapt to solve problems. Any. Problem. At all.

icehawk333 wrote:

Dragonborn3 wrote:

So me modify it so that does. Simple.

icehawk333 wrote:

Everything. Must. Be. Constant.

It is one of the things that i expect from a world, fantasy or not.

You want to know something that's constant? People adapt to solve problems. Any. Problem. At all.

I already mentioned one solution-

Plot is everything. And changing something with a dues ex machina is kinda...

His soul is ignored by the gods entirely, so this is somewhat of an option, if the anti-energy actually had something to feed on.

There was also a second option, turn Adon into a ghost made of this energy, and have him feed on things to survive a few times a day. it's a double-edged sword, but it opens up new possibilities for the character and a new path to walk down should that be chosen.

If the swordwraith option is chosen, depending on the purpose to remain in his body, the energy can feed off of his enemies, his body (which can be taken care of with various non-magical means to prevent destruction), or his surroundings.

Of course this is up to you.

Soo we need someone to piss him off, huh?

Tell me, do you want him to do anything important after his reincarnation? Because I've got two ways in mind already.

Soo we need someone to piss him off, huh?

Tell me, do you want him to do anything important after his reincarnation? Because I've got two ways in mind already.

Pissing him off won't cut it.

So we just piss him off to the point he attacks. Incite hs rage. People do stupid stuff when angry.

Like Michael's vendetta against the bullies of the school. That first fight was stupid. Big time stupid.

Yeah- but you have to get him to attack with pritty much enough of it that he drops dead.

If you get to /close/ to killing him, he'll knock out, and recover with more antimagic then he had before.

That, and adon as a visage could defiantly be interesting.

So could sword-wraith adon.

So we need to get him to go at something all out, full force, one chance to kill the baddie? I can arrange that.

So we need to get him to go at something all out, full force, one chance to kill the baddie? I can arrange that.

Pritty much, if you want to go that way.

What it sounds like to me is that Ice needs a logical reason to "fix" Adon. A simple "Oh, this is no longer super bad" isn't going to cut it for him, which is understandable. It would be like if all of a sudden, after one hug from Fei, Vai was completely comfortable with being touched.

Maybe you can go with the fact the Johnny's tech is the reason why his powers seem to be functioning at higher levels, sorta like a super steroid shot. As Adon goes longer and longer with out being exposed to said tech, his anti-tech powers would normalize.

Or if you want a really good explanation, maybe Adon's current "super boost" is sorta like his immune system/white blood cells kicking in to beat back the tech "attack" from Johnny. It might take awhile, especially due to his body going through such a hard time with the burns and stuff, but eventually it gets better.

Then you get to pick.

Option A

or

Option E

Or MG's idea.

Think on it Ice, both could be fun but don't regret your decision later. As long as you don't run out of food sources (plants, animals,...people) if you decide to go with either of the two options, just make sure that doesn't happen.

As a swordwraith you keep all abilities you had in the previous life, with a little memory loss around the time of death.

As a ghost, if you have the Ghostwalk book, you can go down one or possibly several of the paths, one I would suggest for a visage would be the Haunt path. If you convert a class to a ghost class that is. It's a type of ghost that feeds by changing its form and scaring others with its appearance.

it would be like if all of a sudden, after one hug from Fei, Vai was completely comfortable with being touched.

Yeah, that would be weird, because odds are she'd explode.

But seriously, your idea isn't bad, but i don't think it's consistent with how adon's anti magic works.
Or I'm misreading,witch i do a lot.

So, a compilation of options (abridged version)

1) reincarnation
2) vestige adon
3) swordwraith adon
4) blame jhonny
5) tragic end

I would like to say I really appreciate how much everyone has been cooperating and working on finding a solution to this problem. This is what makes me happy to see. :)

So, a compilation of options (abridged version)

1) reincarnation
2) vestige adon
3) swordwraith adon
4) blame jhonny
5) tragic end

You have a lot of good options there. And now it's up to you to pick one.

icehawk333 wrote:

So, a compilation of options (abridged version)

1) reincarnation
2) vestige adon
3) swordwraith adon
4) blame jhonny
5) tragic end

You have a lot of good options there. And now it's up to you to pick one.

Doing some, extra research on swordwraith and visages.

Can't find the swordwraith.

lynora wrote:

icehawk333 wrote:

So, a compilation of options (abridged version)

1) reincarnation
2) vestige adon
3) swordwraith adon
4) blame jhonny
5) tragic end

You have a lot of good options there. And now it's up to you to pick one.

Doing some, extra research on swordwraith and visages.

Okay, well, let us know when you decide. :)