Don't forget. There's a reason why survival is DC10 + 2 per person to be fed. DC 10 and an aid another check from each person (also DC 10) will feed everyone involved. :P
Also, important sidenote: Lan only stealths when they're stopped. He can't keep up until he has another power, otherwise.
Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from. Waiting for other people to post something that they -really should post- is one of my banes on the forums, especially given -how often it gets dropped without another word-. I feel for the DMs that that happens to... but we have to rely on each other, no matter how much it sucks to sit for days waiting on someone to hold up their end of the RP bargain (Or, intentionally -not- share, as is their wont) :)
I made special note of the frequency in this game. There will be no days of waiting for someone to take an action.
Indeed you did though it seems weekends might be more lax from time to time from what I've seen in your games.. Or when RL is an issue for you.
Weekends are indeed a bit more lax. We still play, but sometimes we post less frequently. Sometimes we also keep the same pace though.
Can I get votes on which direction everyone wants to head?
Lan prefers helping people, but would not say that, unless someone else specifically chose to abstain and left it a neutral decision. Otherwise, two votes for following the tracks, one for heading towards a village, so far. Luke and James haven't voted in that, yet. Further, if both survival characters say 'go to the fire' then that's our only real option.
Jin is for smoke as it probably wont take much time.
James did vote actually.
Yeah, James was for the smoke.
So at this point we are waiting on Luke.
@Jin what's with the all caps?
Is there a reason Luke hasn't posted in 3 days? I'm about to offer his spot to Gaz.
Is there a problem? When he has the suit on his voice is different.. it is Mechanical and therefore does not have the same nuances of regular speech. Much like if a Robot were speaking. But it isnt load as you can see by the size.
Is there a reason James hasn't posted in 3 days? I'm about to offer his spot to Gaz.
James? You mean Luke? ... Both of them posted to my knowledge.. are you tired?
No posts since Sunday Morning for us, actually. Maybe something's up for him. Iunno. :(
Whoops, yeah I meant Luke. He hasn't posted in 3 days, theres a twice a day minimum
@Jin It just looks like your screaming the whole time lol.
Oh yeah, I neglected to mention it.... Luke has been suffering from the infamous man flu for the past few days.
Man flu? Lol.
Yes, the flu that we all fear...
Sorry for this delay guys, but I have practically been having a killer headache whenever I looked at a screen for more than 10 sec, my mind could barely comprehend half the stuff I usually wrote... It actually came to a point where James/victor called me and I responded with "I got my trusty bucket, I need nothing else..." With my lady sitting right next to me...
But I am back, so if I am still allowed I will jump in, what are you saying Jimi?
No problem Luke, I wouldn't bump ya for being sick. Take another day or what ever you need man. Thanks for letting us know what's goin on
No no, I am writing to tell you I am as good as I will be... So... Just hang with me and I will read up on what I missed.
I figured I'd just go ahead and make the call so you guys could move forward. Don't worry though, those hobgobbys will still be there on your way back;)
I was just rolling rolls for the cold weather and I realized, it should have killed you all already. So, I think I am going to say that you are all acclimated to the cold from living your entire lives in the mountains. However, this will not apply if the temp drops below 0. If the temp does drop below 0, only those of you who came prepared with cold-weather outfits will even stand a chance.
Also it was already assumed people got Cold Weather gear, as we didnt really know what to spend our gold on (Save basic weaponry and armor)..and it costs like..5 gold.
Actually, I just assumed that everyone used Cold Weather Outfits for their character's free outfit... given that they would dress for the climate, no? If not, I don't mind throwing the seven gold at it, it just seems odd to be dressed in typical gear when you live atop a freezing mountain :P
Exactly, Like I said if that truly was the case people, normal people, would be dying left and right, not adventurers.
I like the part where you somehow roll crap for Jin Every time when he should be the least effected...lol.
Also, an important note: Jin and the others already rolled survival, two aid checks put Jin to a 25... unless I misunderstood. They also gathered wood to start a fire, or was that another game I'm remembering?
Finally, Lan has a winter blanket and bedroll he wouldn't mind sharing. Sadly, his encumbrance doesn't allow for a tent.
Its alright, Jin wouldn't have died anyway Unless Jimi kept rolling for him.. then MAYYYBE.
@Jin I did nothing wrong, I assure you. The check starts at 15 and goes up by 1 every hour. Even with a +4 from survival and a +5 from gear, you would automatically fail 5 checks. Plus, I doubt you'd pass every single check that you even could pass, but even if you did, every hour from here on out would be an automatic 1d6 of non lethal damage. If no one died already, it'd still be impossible for anyone to make it back home.
Also, I never said you all had free cold weather gear. If you would have asked, I probably would have given it, but no one did. Normal people do wear cold-weather gear, but as for you guys, I checked everyone's sheets and only 2 people have it listed.
Do the people who don't have it listed have clothing -at all- listed?
Also, what I mean is... everyone in pathfinder gets a free set of clothing. I -feel- like everyone would be dressed for the climate where they live, unless otherwise stated. I could be entirely wrong, here. :P
@Lan Oh I see, so the original survival to find shelter is part of staying warm. That sounds right, thanx for pointing it out. However, the higher result only means that he can extend the +4 to Fort saves to more people, the bonus doesn't grow
@Jin Yeah lol, that sucks huh. I roll mandatory checks for people frequently, to speed things up. I try to go in alphabetical order.
The Cold weather rules also assume you dont have things like Shelter or fire. The reason only Two people had it on their sheets was most likely due to the assumption that'd we'd get it. Barring that That DC is exposure to cold and not being warmed up.. Which a Fire provides especially with the trees around and our survival checks. The DC doesnt go up if you are warm the DC DOES once you lose any form of keeping yourself warm.
The Auto 1d6 is if it goes far below zero as well. Meh Either way Im not all that concerned. Our Current Rate of Walking is only slowed by tracking if so we would make it back in half the time and chances are would not fail enough to all die. At least I would just make a Fire, Warm up, drinks some Elixirs, Keep truckin.
@Lan Certainly, but I expect any gear you have that would protect you against a specific hazard to be listed on your sheet. Regular clothing is different from cold weather clothing in that way
I actually had no issues with you rolling I just found it funny. XD
On that note, as well, though. 'Important' things that Lan brings up whenever they come up, would totally include 'you'll freeze to death.' motioning to their clothing :p So it's not at all outside of realism to say -people were probably warned-. Except -maybe- Jin, who probably knew what he was doing, and was wrapped in -robot- :P
@Jin It does not say fire and shelter grant automatic resistance. It is my conclusion that a successful survival check results in a fire and adequate shelter, granting you and your team the +4 to the fort saves to resist non-lethal damage from the cold.
And your misunderstanding what I'm saying about the auto d6. The DC goes up every hour, and by now would be too high for you to pass without a nat 20, which would pretty much mean you automatically receive 1d6 non-lethal damage every hour.
EDIT:Whoops, I meant hour, not round:)
I think what I'll do here is allow everyone to add a cold wether outfit to their sheet for the appropriate price. Add a +5 to your save, and ignore the 2nd and 3rd check. Lan and Zaralastra need only pay for the outfit if they had not already, the bonus was already figured into their checks.
I am still going to say you are all acclimated to temperatures of 0-40 degrees though, because the rising DC's would still kill you guys in a short time.
While thats all fine and good the issue I have with that is it says right there is that you cant recover this damage until you warm up... What constitutes warming up if you constantly effected by the damage. How is it possible to ever not constantly take Cold Damage if Fire and Shelter does nothing, which means even being in a log Cabin or Cave with a Fire.. does nothing. Like I said that would basically mean people in our Village are dying left and right.
The Survival check is more finding an appropriate area and using techniques to stay warm... because you can gain that bonus even IF there are no Trees to make a Fire or area around to sleep in.. so those must be something different entirely. If we are just using rules here.
Honestly, it's up to the DM. If our fire + shelter -does- provide us with an above-40 (or with his 'acclimated' just above-0) location to rest, then all of it's a moot point. We're protected from the sub-zero weather, as it doesn't exist for us.
If he says that even fire and the meager shelter we're able to find -does not- provide us with a way to avoid the subzero temperatures, then that's just what we deal with.
Also, you left out two rolls for Lan. Not sure if that was intentional.
Do I need to mark 4 non lethal or does it go away since she slept?
You are less Effected than other people so do not mind whn I say it seems a little biased. HOWEVER, you are right in a sense, it is up to the DM, unless the player make an effort to be.. well intelligent in their actions.. which we have. Outside of not auto-picking up Cold weather gear, we made a conscious effort to both find a suitable place and rest with a suitable fire. If those were not obviously present, there would be little reason to stay and rest because we would KNOW it'd be too dangerous.. and Just go back home. BECAUSE we made the checks.
That seems reasonable. The part of 'going back to town'. But the problem herein is that if we can't make the trip to and from in one timeframe without taking freezing damage... we can't really make the trip at all. I -completely- agree with you that the players reacted properly, but I'm just saying that even when we do everything right, it's still GM fiat to do stuff the way he's doing it. (That doesn't mean we have to be happy with it, and my pleasure or displeasure isn't at all being shown here :))
Also, I pointed out that he'd missed rolls for me, and I could very well be the -most- affected by that. If Lan took a pair of sixes on a pair of failed checks, he'd be unconscious until you guys got him warmed up. I don't know about you, but it sounds like that puts me in a -bad- spot to agree with the DM. :P
He didn't roll for you because you had cold-weather gear.. I guess.
You are less Effected than other people so do not mind whn I say it seems a little biased.
On this note, it's hard to be biased towards wanting people to fail when that means that people aren't enjoying themselves. I'd have to be a pretty messed up person to want us to fail. :P
I had cold weather gear as well and he gave me all the rolls maybe he just mmissed it but it's not a huge deal anyway imo
Not really you'd be a normal human. Humans like when others do not succeed as well as they do as it increases their personal position. Very rarely do you have an altruistic person and that tends not to last. I personally am one of observational attitude. I dont care one way or another f good or bad things happen because that is part of the game, HOWEVER I do care if certain perimeters are met and applied logically OUTSIDE of mumbo jumbo magic. For Example, If I were hit with an attack that was a 20 I'd want the GM to confirm, not let it flow by even if it'd right out kill me. On the other end, if I would make a skillcheck or save I don't expect it to suddenly fail.. for a misinterpreted reason.
