Mithral breastplate still counts as medium for armor proficiency. So if you aren't proficient, you'll still take a minor penalty.
Ah right they ruled that.. for some reason.. even though Mithral specifically makes it count as one category lower.. for everything. Well there are traits, Powers, Abilities to reduce that -1 at the end. The real benefit is having Armor that can be enhanced.
I just went and re-read the description for Inertial Armor. I see I can augment it from the base +4 armor up to a maximum of +13 at level 19 (base +4 plus 18 points of augmentation, +1 AC per 2 PP, for a total of 19 PP, which would be the max for a level 20 character). And it says this doesn't stack with the armor bonus from regular armor. So even though armor doesn't interfere with psionics, maybe I'm better off just relying on IA for armor and spending the feats elsewhere. I don't think I'm ever likely to have physical armor that does better than +13.
The benefit of Armor isnt generally the AC but the Properties you can place on said Armor.But if I had to Challenge that Claim, I know +% Fullplate does.. especially If you have the Medium/Heavy Armor Trait.
But even full plate (+9 AC) at +5 enchant (+14 total) is still only 1 more than a maxed out Inertial Armor and I'd lose all but +1 of my dex bonus. There can be other enchantments on the armor, of course, but robes can be enchanted as well and it would cost me three feats.
I think I will continue to ponder the benefits of spending 1 feat on light armor proficiency that would enable me to wear leather and, in the meantime, continue wearing my "pajama" armor.
Robes? The Armor can, Actual Robes cannot. They arent armor.
Silken Ceremonial Armor: No negatives, +1 AC, can be fully enchanted as armor. Problem solved. :P
Or a kilt. Or a bellywarmer.
If you were worried about the PP, you could recoup 7 of it per day simply by grabbing the power feat twice. Which also feeds into the recursive loop of feats fueled by having more psionic feats. If you're willing to lower the AC by 1, you can even meta extend it at higher levels to last virtually two days per use.
In the end, you're basically choosing between 'expensive belt' and 'expensive armor'. Or at least, I think so.
So if mithral breast plate is medium armor, that would take two feats. I wonder if that would be worth it. It probably would not be for a wizard, even without the metal armor interfering with casting, but one cannot analogize directly from wizard or any other spell casting class to a psion. Being able to wear armor would make me feel all warm and fuzzy it but I can't help but think my primary armor isn't really armor at all, but range and initiative. I'm going to be fragile at melee range, armor or no armor so maybe meta psionic feats are the better choice. Or maybe just one armor feat and then I can wear leather.
In my opinion, inertial armor is far better than any physical armor. At higher level you'll be able to augment it to a bonus higher than full plate, but you have no check penalty, no reduced speed, and no feat investment.
I also note that Inertial Armor cannot be bypassed by incorporeal creatures the way that normal armor can. And since it doesn't stack with normal armor bonuses, perhaps my limited supply of feats are better spent elsewhere.
Psionic meditation is pretty much a necessity, since at higher levels you will want to use feats and other abilities that require that focus quite a bit. There's a feat that allows you to store two focuses as well that is pretty handy. I can't remember the name of the last one off the top of my head though. Psionic endowment and Greater PE are pretty much no brainers, but you have to know which schools you will be using a lot of ahead of time. Personally, I always pick them up for telepathy. Quicken power, power penetration, and GPP are also pretty obvious choices. Another one thats pretty awesome is hustle power, which allows you to use your move action to manifest a power by expending a focus, so basically, if you have the feat that allows you to keep 2 focuses, you can manifest 3 powers in a round with hustle power and quicken power. It burns through power points, but sometimes it's worth it. I also like dazing power quite a bit.
The feat that gives you two psionic focuses (foci?) is Psicrystal Containment. You need a psicrystal and the feat lets you store an extra psionic focus in it.
Fortunately, I already took the psicrystal feat, though I totally forgot I've been carrying it around all this time. The only other prereq is being level 3, so I can pretty much get it anytime I want from next level forwards.
Yeah, that's part of the reason why I wish I'd already taken the Psicrystal. Like I said, once I can get to it, that feat line is crazy good for a cryptic. I'll likely be going the perception route over the -even greater stealth- route... though it's hilariously tempting. I'd suggest it for Elisa, but... Soulknife doesn't count as a manifester, according to what I read.
In looking over the psicrystal's abilities again, I see it is quite the stealthy little beast on its own. Starts automatically with 4 ranks in stealth and telepathically senses everything within 40 feet, even in total darkness. That's pretty darn good.
I was talking about deep focus, which doesn't require a psicrystal. Psicrystal containment does achieve the same thing though
Yup. That's why I'm pretty emo about taking Skill focus Stealth over it. It is, in every way, superior to the skill focus. :(
Until 10.
Then it's only mostly superior.
Being spotted while in stealth mode is generally a life-threatening proposition for any rogue or other stealthy type. So skill focus (stealth) can't ever be bad for that type of character.
Darn it, Deep Focus and Psicrystal Containment don't stack, so I wouldn't be able to have 3 psionic foci at a time.
Pretty much nope.
I disagree with you GM about any spell being better than just enhancing the armor because the armor it for the AC. But IF your gunna wear it might as well be an OK armor. Especially considering Dispel Psionics will become much more common assuming your world has the terrible creatures known as Illithid.
And Yes Psionic Focus is very important.
Although a pretty minor ability, I can't help but think that My Light would freak out the locals
You Have.. SPECIAL EYES.
I mean, light streaming out of your eyes in popular culture means possessed by a demon or some such thing, not just a walking flashlight.
.. Well considering my character is.. kinda making his own Religion.. and that Psionics are a thing.. probably not all that scary.
Another psion, or anyone with knowledge(psionics) will immediately recognize it as just a flashlight, but the psionically uninformed might perceive it as much more threatening than it actually is.
And now that I say that, I wonder what the local man in the street knows about psionics. Presumably they know that psionics exist, but apart from that I'm guessing they know nothing, not which classes exist, or what psionics can do or anything else.
I see that the prereq for Deep Focus, namely Psionic Body, looks quite good for a fragile psion like me. Two HP per psionic feat, including for the Psionic Body itself, means if I took it at level 3, I'd immediately gain 8 HP. That's pretty good for a psion who has to survive on d6s.
You mean 6 Hp? The Feat has to have the word Psionic next to it to get the HP. Its good it just is only marginally better than Toughness if you have ALOT of psionic feats that you were gunna take anyway.
Oops, I forgot that Improved Initiative wouldn't count as a Psionic feat. Still, pretty much every feat I expect to take would be a psionic feat. All the metamagic feats have psionic equivalents.
I have few questions about the setting.
Low lands becoming uninhabitable have nothing to do with Awakening and happened long before it, right?
Do arcane and divine magic exist? Are item creation feats allowed? How do they work if aforementioned magic don't exist?
Is Elan fluff different from standard one?
Oops, I forgot that Improved Initiative wouldn't count as a Psionic feat. Still, pretty much every feat I expect to take would be a psionic feat. All the metamagic feats have psionic equivalents.
Note that metapsionic feats are not (Psionic) but (Metapsionic).
Magic doesnt exist .. at all..
I think the Awakening CAUSED the issue because it brought creatures into the world but I might be mistaken.
The craft feats work by using Psionics rather than Magic and have their equivalents Like Djores and Psicrowns.
I'm not sure, I assume so. We have Two here so its most likely not uncommon at least.
You are correct on the Metapsionic feats not counting, they are a separate category.
So, more GM peste... err, world and character building.
What's the percentage of people with psionic powers? How do other people view them?
Are there at least one vitalist per settlement? How is centralized healing handeled?
Can Reality Revision duplicate Raise Dead? If not, everyone killed not in the proximity of someone with Psionic Revivify die permanently?
Are mountain tops / settlements constantly covered in snow? What's the average temperature? "Lands below"? What do people eat? What do people even do there? Is it post-apocalyptic setting?
In response to your post in recruitment: Lan does not have any charisma skills, because while I like charisma characters, I feel like Charisma skills turn a chance of deep and meaningful conversation into a numbers game. And I'm kind of here for the opportunity to roleplay things, not to say 'I got a 37 on my diplomacy check. The ogre offers to house me and mine for the night, so long as we can provide him with stories in exchange.'
I feel like the awakening and lowlands are separate. Just, the lowlands are probably now ruled by the Awakening creatures.
Elans are definitely different from default; Psionics is a new event. I figure there's no such thing as an Elan council. Most probably, Elans are simply mutated humans for now, and will likely find that they'll need to find a way to 'reproduce' if they want to keep their people alive. But... that last part is just me thinking about how to make it a council-of-shadows thing, as opposed to a bunch of random, slightly different people. Which is totally what I think Elan is here. Again, could be wrong.
Centralized healing is handled by 'magic' herbs that get turned into powerful healing elixirs by alchemists. Not nearly as efficient as a vitalist, but definitely something of value to be considered.
Alchemist reflavored, I think, was already approved as another option as well. If not, I could totally see just changing 'magic' to 'psionic' in their text, and everything them doing being virtually the same.
Knowing the state of other settlements is probably outside the realm of a normal character's purviews. Where we live is cold. So far, we've been working off of small game, foraging, and predators being our food sources. 'Do' seems to be survive. Seems pretty post-apoc in many ways. Like fighting a CR6 or something at level 1.
I have a somewhat similar sentiment about Diplomacy. I think it would only work in the way its creators envisioned if there were immediate, on-the-fly adjustments to the roll based on all the nuances of a particular situation, including the pre-existing relationship, the prejudices of the other party, the persuasiveness of the pitch etc., and if you can assess all of that, you can probably just state whether it succeeds or not, without bothering with a roll.
Yup. Pretty much that. I more use diplomacy, when people take it, as a passive bonus to the weight of what they're saying. If they're invested in it, what they say matters -more-. I had a guy in one of my groups on here basically tell an entire village to go screw themselves, and rolled diplomacy... I guess Winston Churchill was correct about that whole tact thing. The town apparently liked being treated like dirt.
Its safe to assume so.. I know I have tracked it on my side for Jin because he can safely travel between Light and Medium load due to his wearing a Medium armor suit. We recently gutted some predators for Meat, bones and pelts. That weighed about 60 lbs.
Expanded knowledge can get you powers from other lists pretty easy.
For favored class, not every race has one, much like in the regular classes, like Fighter. All Psionic races however can trade their Favored class bonus for 1PP instead of a Skillpoint or HP
On the others That up to the GM, you might just be boned.
The Discussion thread is for .. well.. Discussion o you cant really clutter it.
Read my post above re level 0 abilities (talents). If you're reading the rules online at d20pfsrd, you have to be careful not to rely on the outdated material that is still in there that predates the introduction of level 0 talents. You get level 0 abilities, level 1 abilities from the general psion list and level 1 abilities from the vitalist sub-list per Ultimate Psionics.
Elans.. Elans EVERYWHERE..
I don't see another Elan. I see a weird, oddly friendly human. She even has to eat. What a waste.
You are still weird. No more than Jin, but still ELANS.
Food.. is delicious, your missing out on it Lan. Maybe in can show you some delicacies, and show you the thoughts of Unity.
Which reminds me, GM. As you know Jin i like.. the Pally of the group. What would it take to establish a belief in this world? Not necessarily to create magic, but to have things like.. Psionic angels and whatnot notice him?
Elan racials are virtually perfect for a psionic character. They're my "go to" race for any psionic class.
Re food, just think of how much we save on dental floss and toilet paper.
I tend to be martial, so they are less so for me.
My strong aversion to being in melee range of anything puts me firmly on the caster side of class choices, with perhaps the occasional archer.
The creature exists it just in much older Bestiaries, not necessarily in this one. As I'm sure they couldn't port EVERYTHING from their 3.5 ruleset because of.. well.. copyright.
If you've run or seen Darksun you'd know what I meant.
I also noticed Elisa hasnt leveled... maybe she's just deciding o what to choose? blade Skills pretty much determine what all you can do.
I'd like a blade skill that lets me butter a bagel as a swift action, even cold butter right out of the fridge. That is why I am well advised to stay out of melee combat.
*bops on the head* If you need that as a Blade skill then you sure are right.
@Nyaa
* The awakening came after the lowlands became uninhabitable, but Lan is correct in stating that the creatures that came through are strong enough to occupy them now.
* Magic does not exist at all. Item creation is allowed with the appropriate psionic feats. That means that a lot of gear in the CRB is unavailable though, because the is a spell ingredient in its creation, but items in Ultimate Psionics exist. Weapon and armor enhancements are also available, using manifester level as a requirement for creation rather than caster level. However, most items outside of enhancement bonuses will need to be crafted by the party, or a psion who can create them be sought out to create them. Psionics aren't rare, but the world isn't overflowing with these items.
* Once I thought about it, I shouldn't have allowed Elans, since psionics are relatively new. But since I did, the ones you know are the first of their breed. They are the result of your own hometown temple's psionic experimentation. Only a few currently exist, two of which are in the party.
* I would say roughly 10% of your settlement possesses psionic power, but beyond that, you wouldn't know. You do know that your settlement is a leader in psionic advancement though. It's also rumored that all illithids possess psionic power, but it's been quite a while since anyone's ventured far enough to see one.
* Reality revision can not duplicate raise dead, as magic does not exist. Resurrection must be done through psionic means, or not at all.
* Mountain top settlements are indeed constantly covered in snow. Because of this constant exposure to cold temps, you are all acclimated to temperatures between 0 and 40 degrees. Average temp is probably 30 degrees. Below zero still functions the same for you as in regular games though.
* There is little info on the lands below, but you've heard stories of jungles and rivers of fire, parched deserts with wind vortexes that can rip a man apart, and temperate forests where the ground can swallow you up. And this is just the terrain...
* People of your settlement hunt small game and raise livestock, as well as farm grain. (some grain can stand a cold environment. Though its never warm, there are times where grain can be grown and stored.)
* It's like a post-apocalyptic setting where enough time has passed to allow new civilizations to form and begin to actually prosper, rather than skim by on remnants of the past. There are no traces or knowledge of times passed left, with exception of the ruins located in the lowlands.
Thus why we dont know what cars or anything like that are. We know of Guns and Ships and the like. So with Elans we technically don't know they cant breed, and you guys know your powers, I just think your weird.
@Elly
* Not really, but if I notice you carrying too much weight, I may ask you resolve the issue.
*I'll have to look at it. However, I don't have my copy of PsiEx anymore, which will make it harder to find. What's the name of the chapter it's found in?
* If elan doesn't list a fovored class bonus for vitalist then you must pick the standard skill point or hit point. EDIT* or as Jin said, 1 power point.
* No PM necessary, The recruitment thread is the place for these questions. In fact, I don't know why people started posting them here. It's ok though, but moving back to the recruitment thread until you've been given the ok to post in discussion would be preferable.