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I'm going on leave Monday for two whole weeks, until 27 June. I'm pretty sure I won't be able to post during that time. Depending on how the action goes before then, I may be able to post over the weekend. Bot me as necessary.


Weak attempt to break grapple!

Haftor will heal himself if he takes any more damage.


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

I've been short of time to post the last few days because my wife is out of town, leaving me to take care of our geriatric cat (plus our slightly less-geriatric cat and the two younger ones). Since I'm not working from home any more, I haven't had much time in the evenings. Things should be closer to normal by the weekend, though.


Male Gnome Alchemist (Trap Breaker) 5: HP 22/ 30: AC: 18, T 14, FF 15 AFFECT:

Thanks for letting us know! No worries on my end.


Male Half-Orc Bard (Arcane Duelist)/Oracle (Lore) 4/1 [HP: 22/39 | AC:19 | T:13 | FF:16 | CMB:+8 | CMD:21 | Fort:+5 | Ref:+9 | Will:+6 | Init:+0 | Perc:+0 (Darkvision) | Spd 30]

Yep, same. I totally understand being too busy to post. No problem.


Male Gnome Alchemist (Trap Breaker) 5: HP 22/ 30: AC: 18, T 14, FF 15 AFFECT:

I’m headed to an SCA event for the weekend, so I’ll be offline.


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

Which event?


Male Gnome Alchemist (Trap Breaker) 5: HP 22/ 30: AC: 18, T 14, FF 15 AFFECT:

Great northeastern war in Maine.


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

Cool. In theory I'm going to Pennsic in a couple of weeks, but we shall see.


Male Gnome Alchemist (Trap Breaker) 5: HP 22/ 30: AC: 18, T 14, FF 15 AFFECT:

I’ll also be at Pennsic, let me k ow if you make it!


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

I'll be away on vacation for the first two weeks in August, and won't be able to put up any game posts--we're camping, so I'm leaving my laptop home.

Seamus, I'll be in E10, up on the hill (wouldn't camp in the Serengeti for anything). Where will you be?


Male Gnome Alchemist (Trap Breaker) 5: HP 22/ 30: AC: 18, T 14, FF 15 AFFECT:

Hahaha In E02 on the Serengeti, close access to the battlefield and the bog.


Male Gnome Alchemist (Trap Breaker) 5: HP 22/ 30: AC: 18, T 14, FF 15 AFFECT:

Okay I'm off for Pennsic today, I'll be back a week from saturday! see you all soon!


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

If any of you (besides Jarrek!) are interested, there's a Dragon's Demand game still in its early stages that's lost half the party to RL. HERE'S a link; currently, we have a barbarian (me), a cleric, and a druid. So we're not hurting for combat power or healing, but we could use a skill monkey and an arcane caster. Drop the GM a message if you're interested.


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

As an aside, my rough math puts Svarog being able to Craft 20 arrows in half a day with the use of my magic tool, a roll of 9+, and 4SP of materials.

Unlikely to matter with his departure after we finish the vault, but heaven only knows how long we'll be in here!


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

Work has been hectic, and the upcoming fight is going to have a lot of moving parts, so I haven't been able to set aside the time--I'll get a post up moving things along tomorrow, I hope.


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

Has anyone heard from Jarrek's player in the last few days? He's in three of my games, and hasn't posted anything since last Friday.


Male Half-Orc Bard (Arcane Duelist)/Oracle (Lore) 4/1 [HP: 22/39 | AC:19 | T:13 | FF:16 | CMB:+8 | CMD:21 | Fort:+5 | Ref:+9 | Will:+6 | Init:+0 | Perc:+0 (Darkvision) | Spd 30]

This week has been unexpectedly busy at work, sorry. This is the first time I've been able to get on.


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

Happy to play Inspire Courage however you like, DM. The text from https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/ made me think the damage didn’t include magic: “…and a +1 competence bonus on attack and weapon damage rolls.” The use of ‘weapon’ in there seemed a pretty distinct inclusion, but then I went down the FAQ rabbit hole of what constitutes a weapon in magic and lordy loo…

So for future reference to speed things along, are you in the ‘if the spell requires an attack roll it benefits from the Inspire Courage damage bonus’ camp? Or something else? Thanks!


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

The former. Basically, in my non-PFS games, inspire courage will always give bonuses to attack rolls (including for combat maneuvers) and HP damage rolls. So it'd give you a bonus on your attack roll with an enervation spell, but wouldn't add anything to the levels suppressed.


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

Disclaimer: I’m fully aware of the brambleblight’s sensory package in having Trianne make this choice and willing to suffer whatever consequences are determined. My gamble was based on the actual location of the BB and whether her chosen path of movement had the opportunity to slip past the sensory package.

That being said, welcome to the Windy Escape rabbit hole! :D There are a couple of issues that crop up when looking at this spell’s wording:

1. Flat-footed vs. Immediate Action

Immediate actions cannot be taken when flat-footed, but the text of flat-footed is pretty clear, the condition existing only before a character first acts in a combat. The bonuses for attacking while undetected are the same as when a target is flat-footed, but this does not convey the flat-footed condition. The Rogue’s sneak attack text appears to spell out the difference by omitting the use of ‘flat-footed’. “The rogue’s attack deals extra damage anytime her target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC…”

2. Awareness vs. Stealth

Do you need to be aware of the attack to use Windy Escape? There are no indications within the spell description that awareness is required for activation. Unlike the Deflect Arrows feat for example which states, “You must be aware of the attack and not flat-footed.”
Add in the text from the In Harm’s Way feat, “…you can intercept a successful attack against that ally as an immediate action…” which implies that you can activate this ability after the attack die is rolled.
Within the text of Stealth you get, “Your Stealth immediately ends after you make an attack roll…” which would make it seem like there’s the potential for an instant of awareness to react with an immediate action after the attack roll.

So it seems to come down to the timing mostly, but it’s murky as many things are in PF. This info was cobbled together from various forum posts and rule references, but a lot of DMs ruled a lot of different ways based on their playstyle. As I said, I’m good either way. Characters live, characters die. Making new characters is fun. And I don’t know if the 10 HP this spell would save her now will ultimately save her from her current situation…

So give it some thought, John, and let us know what’s what in your world, and we’ll go from there!

I imagine looking for Trianne's invisible, bleeding body for 4 more rounds will be entertaining at the very least. :)


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

I'm not surprised that this is a rabbit hole. With perfect timing, though, I'm about to leave on a business trip, and may not have much time for more than short posts until Thursday night or Friday morning.


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

No worries. I'll be botting Svarog in the interim. Safe travels!


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

So in looking at the dice rolls, I have another question. The 3 d20’s look like Attack, Attack/Crit, Confirm, followed by the 2d6+7 damage twice with one set doubled because of crit. That yields the 22 + 21 totaling 43.

3d20 ⇒ (14, 20, 11) = 45
6d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 3, 1, 6, 6) = 22

If the above is correct, I thought a single AoO instance could only generate a single melee attack in response, unless stated otherwise. Combat Reflexes would certainly allow it to hit Trianne twice if she did two actions to provoke, i.e. If she drank a potion and cast a spell, then yeah, BAM! BAM! But with only a move to provoke, shouldn’t she be attacked only once? Oh, wait, or was this its standard turn for Round 7 at the bottom of the initiative? If that’s the case, no one should really react to it until next round…? :/

Sorry for being a pest about it, but that’s some of the reason she’s willing to wander into dangerous situations like this, knowing Windy Escape has saved her bacon more than once in the past.


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It wasn't an AoO. It was holding an attack and waiting for Trianne to come in range.


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

Okay, thanks! So if that was its delayed action on Rd 6, it's still viable for Rd 7...yikes, but everyone's actions are legit timing-wise then. *thumbs up*


Once this is over, are we going to recruit to backfill Svarog?


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

I'm not opposed, but will leave it up to the rest of you.


Male Half-Orc Bard (Arcane Duelist)/Oracle (Lore) 4/1 [HP: 22/39 | AC:19 | T:13 | FF:16 | CMB:+8 | CMD:21 | Fort:+5 | Ref:+9 | Will:+6 | Init:+0 | Perc:+0 (Darkvision) | Spd 30]

Question about Jarrek's weapon focus. It looks like none of the monsters or NPCs are going to be carrying a falchion. Would it be possible to get the greatsword (or any other dropped weapon) "reforged" into a falchion to retain whatever magic or story reason the item is in the game? Or would it just be better to sell whatever we pick up and try to buy a magical falchion for Jarrek?


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

Happened to come across that very thing while refreshing on armor/weapon crafting today.

"The standard rules don’t allow item creation feats to alter the physical nature of an item, its default size, its shape, or its magical properties."

So no, according to RAW.


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

This particular case is even more fraught because of the connection to Gorum worship, unfortunately.


It's a bummer since it seems like a cool weapon, but it would probably be best to just sell it to the Gorumites. Haftor is set for gear right now, so in his opinion buying a magic falchion is the best thing for the group right now.


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

In rehashing crafting posts, I came across the one where Jarrek’s MW Falchion was sundered by a giant…. :/ So maybe use the GS for now?

With 1000GP, 8hrs and a heat source, I can make any weapon +1.

Also taking requests for Wondrous Items. Drop your top 3 in chat if you like (Jarrek I have your list), and I’ll see what’s what.


Male Half-Orc Bard (Arcane Duelist)/Oracle (Lore) 4/1 [HP: 22/39 | AC:19 | T:13 | FF:16 | CMB:+8 | CMD:21 | Fort:+5 | Ref:+9 | Will:+6 | Init:+0 | Perc:+0 (Darkvision) | Spd 30]

I thought we had Trianne fix it? I remember talking about that at one point.

Ah ha! Looking through backposts I see that Skreed was carrying a MW Cold Iron Falchion that I think I missed. We can just say he's carrying that one instead of the one that got sundered! If we get access to a forge, though, it's probably cheaper and more meta-efficient to fix his broken MW falchion and then enchant it to +1 than to try to enchant a cold iron weapon. We're not fighting demons and fey here, we're fighting giants and orcs (this place notwithstanding).

DM, if that's alright with you I'll update Jarrek's sheet to say he has Skreed's MW Cold Iron Falchion instead of the plain old MW Falchion that got sundered way back when.


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

Non-magical repair isn’t happening (see below, italics mine). Buy a new falchion and I can turn it MW with Masterwork Transformation, and then craft it into a +1. (I can MW any weapon, armor, shield, tool, kit we have with the coin, an hour, and a spell slot.) Also, I'll be looking to pick up Make Whole asap.

Non-Magical Repair Process:
3750S = Find the item’s price in silver pieces.
15 = Find the item’s DC from Table: Craft Skills.
75G = The raw material cost of repairing an item is one-fifth of the item’s price.
20 avg = Make an appropriate Craft check representing one week’s worth of work.
300 = If the check succeeds, multiply your check result by the DC.

If the result × the DC equals the price of the item in sp, then you have completed the item. If the result × the DC doesn’t equal the price, then it represents the progress you’ve made this week. Record the result and make a new Craft check for the next week. Each week, you make more progress until your total reaches the price of the item in silver pieces.

Result: greater than 12 weeks to repair the sundered MW Falchion through non-magical means


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

Two other things:

1. I misspoke. Time to craft is based on Base Price cost, so 2 days for a +1 enhancement.

2. Adding magical enhancement to a Cold Iron weapon raises its price 2000GP (adding 2 more days to the process). So another 1000GP onto the 1000GP crafting cost for the +1.


Can we come to a consensus on whether we should recruit a new player? I'm leaning toward yes. Four PCs is supposed to be the standard, but it feels a bit thin to me. We have all the key roles covered, I think, but we could use a fighter or rogue type, maybe.


I'd put in for an Amulet of Natural Armor, but I don't think I can afford it right now.


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

I'm thinking a replacement for Svarog would be good. Getting decent ranged support will help.


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

I'm in favor of a fifth. I believe it adds resiliency to the game when a player needs to fade for a bit or must drop altogether. What that 5th is doesn't matter to me, as I enjoy the tactical puzzle of using whatever we have to overcome the obstacles.


Rise of the Runelords|Dragon's Demand| Giantslayer|Emerald Spire| CORE Emerald Spire

We're coming to a good point to bring in a new player; do any of you know someone who might be interested?


This may be a bit mean for me to say, but none of my players post consistently enough for me to recommend them.

Karl - do you think Kris might have the time to rejoin now?


Ulfen Transmuter 5 HP=32/36 AC: 12|12|10 - Fort: +3 | Ref: +3 | Will: +5 - Per: +3 Init: +2 CMD: 14 Svarog: 16/44 HP - Arrows: 17, 8 blunt, 15 magical

I checked with, Kris, and she does not.


Male Half-Orc Bard (Arcane Duelist)/Oracle (Lore) 4/1 [HP: 22/39 | AC:19 | T:13 | FF:16 | CMB:+8 | CMD:21 | Fort:+5 | Ref:+9 | Will:+6 | Init:+0 | Perc:+0 (Darkvision) | Spd 30]

I can ask in my CotCT game- they post pretty well.

Thanks for checking, Trianne.

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