Good points. Perhaps we'd be best to hunker down and focus on the kingdom stuff for a few months.
And maybe Raquel can find somebody to keep her warm on the cold nights. :)
While I realize that in-game it might have much effect, we could also (or some of us) travel our domain and visit the farmers and miners and local communities. Though, given the size, that might only take some three or four days *shrugs*
Annnndddd ... *ominous music* ... we still need to figure out what to do with the evil kobolds that happen to live right next door to our capital.
Yeah, I'm down to tend to the kingdom for awhile. This might also be an opportunity for some crafting; I've been meaning to craft the Headband of Intelligence for awhile, and if there is anything else people want Nariel to make, this might be a good opportunity... well wondrous items anyway. One thing PF2E definitely does better than 1E is crafting; you don't need five feats to make all the different magical goods like you do in PF1E.
Sounds like a plan. How many days will you spend crafting and what are you going to craft? Don't forget to deduct gold etc from your account to cover the cost of what you're making.
Looks like Arianna is spending downtime writing and having a conversation with Aivar. Anyone else doing anything in particular? If not I will fast-forward us (once Nariel lets me know how many days).
Okay, so time wise Nariel needs to spend eight (8) hours per 1,000g of the base value of the item. For example, to make the Headband of Vast Intellect +2 would require four (4) eight hour days.
If anybody else wants something made, let me know. Just be sure between all the characters that we have access to the necessary prerequisite spells, and note the time required.
Also need feedback on what buildings and construction people would like on their wish list.
OK, so that's 29, 30, 31 Lamashan and 1 Neth for Nariel to spend on crafting (and anyone else to do stuff). You all then spend 2-8 Neth on that month's kingdom-building.
I'll get some posts up on that basis in the next couple days.
Would it be possible to order an item from the outside world? I don't believe Nariel has the spells the items I'd like to buy.
Sasha: yes, it's allowed. Thornhold currently has a purchase limit of 500 gp but no magic shops. You can order anything up to 500 gp and it will arrive within a month.
Anything over 500 gp has a 10% surcharge, reflecting risk and commission. This still allows you to get hold of things you really need, while encouraging you to build up your local capabilities.
Nariel can also make magic items without having the prerequisites, it just increases the Spellcraft DC.
Yes, that is certainly an option, although it takes up more time.
Updating us now.
I'm not sure more time is added, but rather the difficulty DC increases. If you have the normal prerequisites, the DC = 5 + CL with the investment of half the market value. It takes a number of days equal to one day per 1,000g value of the item; after that time, Nariel makes a spellcraft roll. For each prerequisite missing, add +5 DC.
The good news is Nariel has a very high spellcraft score, so I can make almost all of those items without the prerequisites easily for Sasha; the only item that gives me some pause is the Pathfinder Pouch, which has a caster level of 9, which is relatively high and requires two spells that Nariel does not have. The DC would be 24, which would confer a 50% fail rate with Nariel's Spellcraft of 13. Better to spend the money to get at least one, or both spells in order to improve the rate.
Edit: Secret Chest is 5th level spell, so I can't learn that one yet which means we cannot reduce the DC to lower than 19, which still gives a 25% fail chance.
Note: The Sleeves of Many Garments and Hat of Disguise are both CL1 and only need one spell. For 1,000g and an extra day, Nariel could make those without issue.
Oops, I meant rather that crafting additional items will take time, as opposed to buying them. That could have been clearer.
Oh, that makes sense. Well, as noted, the Sleeves of Many Garments and Hat of Disguise would only add an extra day and 1,000g to the overall tab and time frame; the Pouch might have to wait until Nariel is a little higher in level, otherwise it's a steep gamble.
OK - if you want to take extra days for crafting please let me know. Righ now you have the Headband and we're doing this month's kingdom turn. Crafting can begin again on 9 Neth.
Waiting on you guys to decide what to build this Kingdom turn.
...I mean, I have enough NPCs that I could play the game by myself, it just seems a bit pointless without you all.
I'll put up an RP post in-game soon, but as always, I defer to the other PCs to make decisions for the kingdom.
Sorry, I have been and still am having a rather rough and draining week. My mother isn't doing too well and it is pretty much my full-time job to nurse her back to health right now, what with corona keeping everyone and everything at bay.
My apologies folks, I'm usually the one that chimes in on this part of the campaign.
Okay, so based on the fact that we nearly ran out of money, I might suggest we keep things simple for another turn to build up the treasury a little. My thought is that we take over another farm space, build the road connecting us with the Brevoy South Road and the Trading Outpost. The total cost on that is as follows:
Claim J2 (area directly bordering Brevoy, contains the Outpost) - 1BP
Build roads in J2 and J3 - 2BP
Construct Farm in J3 - 2BP
Total Cost: 5 BP
Net to Treasury: 8 BP
Thoughts? Check my math? This will reduce our consumption to 5, allow us to pay for next round and have a little 3BP left over before our economy roll. After this turn, we can return to constructing other things like a shrine, more housing or develop more difficult terrain in our reach. I'd like to perhaps consider the shrine, or anything that further reduces unrest that is low cost for next turn.
Also sorry I've been absent. Ironically enough I'm busier than ever during lockdown (some relatives to check in on and help out).
If there is to be down time, can Tristan try and write a song with Artistry that would somehow boost our kingdom scores? Maybe a heroic march that brings people together against the challenges of establishing a new Mark - that that might drop our unrest by a point or two?
Also, I've forgotten how exactly to read the loot sheet. How much gold do we have to use? What counts as our 'liquid' wealth?
Aivar - thanks for checking in to let us know. Sorry to hear that, do take the time you need: RL always comes first. We'll still be here when you're ready to check in again.
Tristan: hold that thought, I have some Diplomancy ready to go (oh, yes indeedy)!
Raquel: what, no innuendo about "play by yourself and you'll go blind" - who are you and what have you done with the real Brainiac?!
I’m still me! Just was tired this morning. :P
Just realised how long it's been since I updated the calendar and the NPC roster! Now completed.
Also, I've forgotten how exactly to read the loot sheet. How much gold do we have to use? What counts as our 'liquid' wealth?
Yeah, I had to review it a moment too. Our liquid assets is found at the very top in E3, the communal gold. We've spent some of it in recent months on magic items, so there is about 3,600 left at the moment. We'll need to find more or liquidate some of the other assets in order to get more cash. The stuff Sasha requested, or rather the level 1 items will cost another 500g.
I'm loath to sell an adamantine weapon when it is the only adamantium tool we have, but we can and should sell the mithril weapons. Sure, fine, watch us run into a horde of lycanthropic brownies next, but yeah, choices have to be made.
I don't like it, but I guess we really do need to go adventuring and seek out money-making opportunities.
And thank you. What progress there is with my mother is super slow and it is chewing up both my energy and sanity. I cannot imagine what it must be like to be working on the frontlines in the hospitals and elderly homes right now :\
The Sleeves of Many Garments and Hat of Disguise are both CL1 and only need one spell. For 1,000g and an extra day, Nariel could make those without issue.
Does this mean that the total cost for either would be 1000 or 1000 in addition to the base cost? Apologies, magic item construction rules are not my forte.
No problem; the cost to craft the feat is half the market value, your cost representing time and materials. So the Hat of Disguise has a market value of 1,800g plus 200g for the Sleeve of Garments for 2,000g, which is cut in half. It's one day per 1,000g of market value, so both items could be made in two days.
Hi all - work got really busy the last couple of days. I'll get us moving again later today.
Due to real-life circumstances, I may not be very responsive on the forums for the coming week. My mother is not doing well, and the hospital carousel is about to start. If I feel like I cannot continue to post, I will try to let you know.
But, fortune willing, perhaps the tests won't turn up the worst possible result and if so, I might be back to posting rather sooner than later.
Again, I hope everyone is safe and sound in these trying times.
Aivar - I'm very sorry to hear that, all good wishes.
Take care of the people and things you need to and rejoin us as and when you can.
Does anyone else want to chip in on the dwarves or are you (collective) ready make a decision on whether or not to welcome them?
Very sorry to hear that Aivar. Hopefully we'll see you back in soon, but of course the people in our lives always take precedent.
I'd say it seems a pretty safe agreement, mutually beneficial.
Agreed. Let's welcome the dwarves and continue on! :D
Sorry for delays in posting, last few days have been a bit crazy at work. I've got 3 of us trying to do the work of 10+ so posting is going to be irregular at best. Thanks for bearing with me.
No worries! We'll be here when things calm down. :)
This morning my mother passed away after a furious month of rapid decline fighting what turned out to be cancer. It all happened so fast and so sudden that I most likely cannot fully comprehend it yet, but those closest to her got to say goodbye in a way that truly warms my heart and gives me hope for the days to come.
So yes, I'm still coming to grips with what happened, but next to that, I am also tired in a way that words cannot describe. My body, mind, and soul are squeezed dry and it will take weeks before I can return to a more normal state. Until then, I will occasionally have a glance at the game and what's going on, but what energy I have must go to other things.
Hopefully, I can rejoin you all soon, and continue to do something that gives me joy: roleplaying, playing Pathfinder, and weaving stories with others.
I'll pre-emptively thank you for your understanding and your compassion. I know we do not 'know' each other, but we've been playing together for so long that, with what's going on, you deserve to know what's going on beyond the veil.
Maarten / Aivar
I'm so sorry for your loss. Take whatever time you need to grieve and remember and take stock.
We'll be here whenever you're ready to continue.
Really sorry to hear that Aivar. Take care of yourself, and we'll be here when you return.
Okay, so here is my suggestion for this round:
We have a total treasury of 12 BP, and an additional +4 BP from the dwarves, for a total of 16 BP. We have to spend 5BP for upkeep, leaving us with 11BP.
Winter will soon be on us, so I say we snap up one last farm hex and prepare it before the snow settles. Let's claim Hex H3, and then the following:
Claim Hex H3 - 1 BP
Prepare Hex H3 - 1 BP
Build farm - 2 BP
Build roads - 1 BP
Total: 5 BP
Then, we use the remaining 6 BP for something in town. The following options have been discussed:
Brewery 6BP - +1 Stability, +1 Loyalty; make the Caydenites happy XD
Cistern 6BP - +1 Stability, local source of fresh water
Dump 4BP - +1 Stability, cleaner more sanitary city
Housing 3BP - Reduce unrest -1, more homes for our population and some money left over to bank.
Or we hang onto the 6BP and bank for the next turn. Thoughts? Other options provide stability for less than 6BP like an Orphanage (6BP) or a Park (4BP), but thematically I thought the options above were a little more apropos.
Obviously, Raquel votes for brewery.
Sounds good, although don't forget that you have your income roll for this turn too! This is also the month in which you pay your vassalage tax ("the what, now?!" reminder here in case you've forgotten).
I will get some dice rolls and posts up tomorrow.
Boo-urns. Forgot. Death, taxes and all that jazz.
Do we pay the vassalage tax before our roll with upkeep costs, or after our income roll? Pretty sure it would be before, which means we probably can't afford to do much of anything this turn building wise, or a reduced plan. The tax and levy will be 4BP by my calculation; 3 BP for the year-end tax, plus one more 1 BP for the levy tax roll. So we either cut the building, or the hex expansion.
Option 1: No exploration, building
Treasury +16 BP
Taxes and Upkeep -9BP (Upkeep 5BP + 4BP Levy and Tax)
Build the Brewery** -6BP
Left over: 1 BP
** Or whatever we decide to build
Option 2: Exploration, no building
Treasury +16 BP
Taxes and Upkeep -9BP (Upkeep 5BP + 4BP Levy and Tax)
Claim Hex H3 - 1 BP
Prepare Hex H3 - 1 BP
Build farm - 2 BP
Build roads - 1 BP
Left over: 2 BP
Double check my math, but I think that is right.
Tax is separate from upkeep - it's paid in the income phase, which is when you collect your taxes. If you look at the previous turns, you'll see that the feudal levy has been paid at the income stage, and this is the same thing.
OK, you have 17 BP to play with. Obviously you'll need to hang on to some of that to pay consumption for next turn, but it's better than nothing :)
Based on Nariel's notes (btw, Nariel, claiming and preparing the hex for building is the same thing, so it's only 1 BP) it looks like you could do the following:
Claim H3 (1 BP)
Build Farm (2 BP)
Build Road (1 BP)
Build Brewery (6 BP)
That costs 10 BP, leaving you 7 BP remaining. Your consumption next turn would be 4 BP so you are in credit.
Ah, you're right, I did over calculate the cost! I think we can safely do it all then. I'll post tomorrow night, won't have the ability today.
I always forget to ask this, but where in Thornhold did you want to build the Brewery?
I will be on vacation from 6/13-6/21. During this time, my posting will be limited. Some days I will probably not be able to post at all. I'll catch up on everything again when I return.
GM, please bot me as necessary.
I will be on vacation from 6/13-6/21. During this time, my posting will be limited. Some days I will probably not be able to post at all. I'll catch up on everything again when I return.
GM, please bot me as necessary.
??? What is this "vacation" of which you speak?
Have a great time, wherever you go, and stay well.
Not going very far. Just the beach for a few days then staycation rest of the week. :)
Hey Wastrel, can I ask how or what program you're using to put together the city map? We're at that point in my own Kingmaker game, having just finished off most of the first module, and I need to find a good way to display that development.