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Landsharks ARE better than gremlins.
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I have 200,000 kobolds at the ready, with a million more well on the way.
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Elevate kobolds to the glory they deserve!
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I like both, but if I'm gonna play a small ancestry I'm gonna choose the dragon themed one with a tail and cool shaped head. Pf1 kobolds looked fairly derivative from the dnd source (understandable). Pf2 kobolds have a whole lot more personality. The broader shoulders and fat wedge heads make them look pretty mean and somehow comical/cute at the same time. I'm down for it (just wish there was a medium heritage bc I'm so insecure about my height *cough cough* I mean PC height).
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If you're in a home game, you can just ask to be a Medium Kobold and say you drank lots of milk. There's no mechanical difference!
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*sigh* Okay, I guess it falls to me to be 'that guy' but everyone's always like "Kobolds or Goblins, Kobolds or Goblins, Goblins of Kobolds?" and I'm like "Why does it matter? I'm not playing either one, they're too sticky. I'm going to play a Shooney."
I'll have you know that reptiles are not sticky. They feel like leather.
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If you're in a home game, you can just ask to be a Medium Kobold and say you drank lots of milk. There's no mechanical difference!Grapple, Shove, Trip beg to differ.
That may be true, but you also lose out on the mechanical advantages of being small size. I have no idea what those are in PF2, but I'm sure there are some related to AC and maybe other stuff?
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That may be true, but you also lose out on the mechanical advantages of being small size. I have no idea what those are in PF2, but I'm sure there are some related to AC and maybe other stuff?If you're in a home game, you can just ask to be a Medium Kobold and say you drank lots of milk. There's no mechanical difference!Grapple, Shove, Trip beg to differ.
Nope, there's literally nothing.
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That may be true, but you also lose out on the mechanical advantages of being small size. I have no idea what those are in PF2, but I'm sure there are some related to AC and maybe other stuff?If you're in a home game, you can just ask to be a Medium Kobold and say you drank lots of milk. There's no mechanical difference!Grapple, Shove, Trip beg to differ.
You're half the bulk, so if you get knocked out and the party needs to run away before they heal you they will be less encumbered doing so. Also being smaller means you fit through smaller spaces relative to medium creatures. Sometimes that is ignoring difficult terrain, sometimes that is facing difficult terrain rather than squeezing, sometimes that is a lower DC to squeeze, and sometimes that is the possibility of squeezing for you and not medium creatures. Wholly environmentally dependent. Very useful for your holiday ventilation shaft antics, somewhat less useful in a fist fight.
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Squeeze only.
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I for one welcome our new Kobold overlords
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Leshy is the mascot ancestry for 2e for me. I had no interaction with them in 1e, and they seem widely loved, and brilliantly varied.
All glory to Paizo selling little potted leshies.
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Leshy is the mascot ancestry for 2e for me. I had no interaction with them in 1e, and they seem widely loved, and brilliantly varied.
All glory to Paizo selling little potted leshies.
I, too, would like to purchase small potted leshies. I will give much of my money for such a thing. Glory to the leshies.
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So, anyone watching the latest Witcher episodes?
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Kobolds have a very strong showing with the kobold ranger snarecrafter trapsmith Trap Love All Day Every Day build... but goblins have Burn It. I mean, it's a straight-up damage bonus from ancestry feats. You can't just ignore that. Sure, it's damage-type specific, but it's easy to optimize around. It's not nothing.
Nuance is a thing, dammit.
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You're half the bulk, so if you get knocked out and the party needs to run away before they heal you they will be less encumbered doing so. ...That may be true, but you also lose out on the mechanical advantages of being small size. I have no idea what those are in PF2, but I'm sure there are some related to AC and maybe other stuff?If you're in a home game, you can just ask to be a Medium Kobold and say you drank lots of milk. There's no mechanical difference!Grapple, Shove, Trip beg to differ.
The pick-up-and-carry happened in my campaign about a year ago.
The 7th-level 7-member party set up an ambush for a patrol of the Ironfang Legion. The road went through a canyon and they hid on both sides. However, this time instead of sending a 12-soldier patrol, I sent a 44-soldier army, 330 xp of enemies (against 7 party members that scales to a 188-xp beyond-extreme encounter). The halfling rogue with Sorcerer Dedication was up on a rock rather than on the canyon wall like the archers, because his Produce Flame cantrip had only a 30-foot range. That was safer than the gnome druid, catfolk monk, and leshy sorcerer who were on the canyon floor.
Nevertheless, the rogue/sorcerer attracted the attention of half the army, and was quickly down to just 4 hit points from Ironfang sharpshooters and a 4-soldier troop unit that climbed his rock. The Hasted catfolk monk on the other side of the canyon picked up the leshy fey-blooded sorcerer with an interact action and raced across the canyon with speed 40 to within 30 feet of the rogue/sorcerer. Then the leshy cast a 4th-level ranged Heal spell on the rogue/sorcerer to keep him from going unconscious if attacked again.
The monk has high Strength, so he had no trouble carrying the small leshy. PF2 has a rule that a PC carrying or being carried by another PC at the beginning of their turn gains only two actions for the turn, but two actions were enough to cast ranged Heal.
More recently, a month ago, the 12th-level monk, Hasted again, was flying via an Energy Robe (Electricity) and carrying the leshy again as they advanced up the Marideth River to the Ironfang-occupied village of Phaendar. Then the leshy cast Dragon Form and flew on her own.
Glory to the leshies.
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the time for nuance is OVER
the time of the KOBOLD has begun
Leshies are cute, but I think the appeal of kobolds and goblins and pugwampis is on some level that they're a little more edgy. Leshies literally have no edge. They're little soft round flower babies.
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Personally, I would prefer kobolds get a slight art update to make them a little cuter before they become a PC race. I mean, they're cute now, but I think they'd be cuter if they had rounder bodies and huge pupils. Maybe a little fluff/feathers on a heritage.
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The only people living on Golarion are Anadi. Everybody else died out, but the spider people are still pretending to be whichever ancestry and are too shy to admit they're not really a Leshy or a Hobgoblin or whatever.
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Blasphemy!
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the time for nuance is OVER
the time of the KOBOLD has begun
Leshies are cute, but I think the appeal of kobolds and goblins and pugwampis is on some level that they're a little more edgy. Leshies literally have no edge. They're little soft round flower babies.
Cactus leshy FTW.
I want a Nuance Ancestry now though.
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Bonus to CHA and WIS, flaw to STR.
I think that Cha bonus is questionable, honestly. Maybe Dex?
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Also, I have made this comparison so often I feel silly about it, but it's the best example of "big head small eyes cute" I have. Mouse Guard's approach would be really nice for kobolds.
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They're already very Mouse Guard-y, it's just not being emphasized enough in most art. This one's my favorite.
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Squeeze only.
Maybe cover too. Being small size could be ruled to increase the amount of cover that some small object provides.
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"At least with kobolds you always know where you stand -- and no, it's not towering over them. If you're towering over them, you're setting yourself up for a dozen shanks in the back. I, for one, welcome kobold over-people, because they insist on everyone working together which is something I can understand, and their ignorant stupid leaders typically don't last very long if they keep trying to pull corporate-level shenanigans."
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If we’re talking about Funny Little Guys, then PF2 won’t feel complete until we get Wyrwoods back. The art of them in Tyrant’s Grasp was so cute!!
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"Have to ask on behalf of the shop -- do we get union scale if we're the official mascot? Because if that's the case, then totally on board with this notion. Otherwise, it's turning into the 'trying to get people to do the work of two or three jobs for the pay of one", which is something I'm kinda charged with watching out for my shop for."
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We have to go tinier. *Sprites*
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Kobolds forever!
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damn Gnome supremacists : )