I'd like to see a book that can really help distinguish PF2 from PF1 and D&D: A product that focuses on adding mechanics to the game that facilitate narrativist elements of play, encourage cooperative storytelling, and allow character's moral beliefs and values to have some mechanical weight. Something that offers mechanically expanded character possibilities beyond combat abilities and skills.
My two favorite parts of 1e is was the Occult classes, I loved the psychic a lot, and the gunslinger.
Hope to see both of those in the coming years.
It would be nice to see a book that makes a mutagenist Alchemist viable.
So Paizocon is cancelled I think. Anyone knows when Paizo might release more info on upcoming books?
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So Paizocon is cancelled I think. Anyone knows when Paizo might release more info on upcoming books?
Those are usually announced at the Paizocon Saturday Night Banquet.
Over in the cancellation thread, here's what staff said
Any chance that this year's banquet presentation can be converted into an online presentation?
There is a chance, roll a d20!
All details concerning an online presentation or a virtual PaizoCon are still under discussion. Remember, we are working from home and we don't have access to our shiny studio. That said, we have messages we want to share. So, to be continued...
Thanks for your interest and enthusiasm. Paizo exists to be a guide to RPG adventure, but players are the heroes, in-game and out.
Those are usually announced at the Paizocon Saturday Night Banquet.
Thanks for the reply!
So I guess till late May, early June we won't have any info on what's coming up?Did anyone hear any rumours or spoilers?
I really can't imagine what they are going to do next.
The only thing I am missing is the planar guidebook and that was one of the very last books released for 1e, so I guess it is nowhere near the top of the release schedule for 2e.
For some reason I got the feeling, on one of the paizo fridays, that Adam Daigle might be working on a book about one of the other continents (Arcadia???), but aside from that I have no idea.
Any guesses?
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I want psionics so I can use 2e for Dark Sun! Please say we'll see psionics.The Designers and Developers stated repeatedly during P1 when this was brought up that Power Point Psionics was not something they were interested in pursuing, we got Occult Magic instead.
And with how Magic is set up in P2 this is even more unlikely.
Could you elaborate on the last point? I would very much like to understand why this would be so.
Honest question ;-)
With how it's been codified amongst all the casters, and with Focus and Focus Spells being the point option in this game being too low to mimic Power Points extensive spending, not to mention the much tighter math doesn't really allow for the wide spectrum of damage and effects between normal casting to Novaving that Power Points encouraged.
The closest we'll most likely see that is the Kineticist spending multiple Actions to buff up their blasts.
I was thinking along similar lines. I could see the 4E version of psionics working reasonably well within PF2's focus/spell system, although I'd rather they save that for the Kineticist or something along the lines of PF1's Arcanists.
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Wait 4 types of Magic so we could get Ultimate Arcane, Ultimate Occult, Ultimate Divine, and Ultimate Primal.
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The more I think about it, the more I’d like to see a book that focuses on the Inner and transitive Planes, going as far as to have mini encounters appropriate to each of varying levels.
Ancestries: Geniekin (5 heritages right there), Fetchlings, Wayang, Gaithling, something native or touched by the weirder planes like Time or Dream.
Classes: Medium, Kineticist, Shifter, Shaman. I *want* to say summoners too, but that really needs the outer planes too, although sneaking it on WOULD set up an Impossible Lands AP nicely... Perhaps also a skill focus class, but I can’t think of a good hook for a class that wouldn’t work just as well as an archetype or subclass. I’ll cheerfully advocate for PF1 classes to remain classes in PF2 just because, but even I’ll admit the bar should be higher for new stuff.
But like I said, I can also see this expressed as a few archetypes and subclasses for the ranger, monk, and rogue classes.
Most importantly, I want this book to go beyond what the Planar Adventurers book did. The CRB and LOCS already described the planes, PA went into some detail, I want this sucker to have a bunch of drop in encounters/items/locations to either take a sharp turn into inner planar travel, or serve as the mechanical base to launch a full inner planar or Impossible Lands AP. It’s been an awfully long time since Legacy of Fire. Perhaps it’s time to see what the other planes are getting up to? (Can skip Earth, Ironfang was relatively recent. Although that might be another hook to getting there at low levels...)
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I've been thinking more on this, and I suppose what I really want is an "Encounter Codex", a mix of monsters, hazards, and NPCs with appropriate locations. I could see that being worth the page count without going near simply rehashing PF1 lore.
I haven't watched the 6 hour Paizocon video yet (thats quite long), does anyone know if they have announced any new products for PF yet?
While I'm unsure if we'd learn about what it is this week (around when GenCon would be seems more likely) it occured to me that we'll likely see a playtest for whatever next year's big product is in the fall. I wonder if 4 classes per year will be the standard or if they'll slow down after the APG.
My guess is fewer than 4 normally. The APG has been touted in a number of ways as one of the four core books for PF2, so I expect it features more broad stuff than its followups will.
My guess is fewer than 4 normally. The APG has been touted in a number of ways as one of the four core books for PF2, so I expect it features more broad stuff than its followups will.
Countervailing argument is how many "fan favorite" classes are still not in, although certainly the many can be approximated by now. If the APG archetypes cover enough ground that people can wing it with their PF1 characters, then you're likely right. Otherwise I expect 4 or so classes a year for at least another year or two.
Like, if the "animal companion" archetype will also let you have a demon or spirit pet, and right now we know a dragon is going to be an option somewhere in the mix, then a some of the pressure is off to bring in the summoner, hunter, and spiritualist classes.
So far just the APG and the Beginner Box. There is another announcement coming Friday during the APG panel.
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Those are both 2020.
My predictions for 2021:
Bestiary 3 (duh)
Absalom book (delayed from this year)
1 Lost Omens regional book
The Book With Guns In It
I want that regional book to be Impossible lands, but I'm swayed by arguments that Mwagni Expanse is more likely. We'll have a better guess when they announce next year's AP I suppose.
A Mwagni regional book with an Anandi ancestry so we can play spider-frens would be awesome!
Also James kinda alluded to keeping an eye out for Androids in the serpentfolk thread last week...
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By the way, Jason clearly said, even though we are getting an APG for PF2, that doesn't mean they will go through the PF1 rule books one by one and make PF2 versions. In fact, he said that "PF2 Ultimate Combat", for example, is not coming at all.
By the way, Jason clearly said, even though we are getting an APG for PF2, that doesn't mean they will go through the PF1 rule books one by one and make PF2 versions. In fact, he said that "PF2 Ultimate Combat", for example, is not coming at all.
Yes, and that made me so happy. New names, new structure. :)
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They specifically said they want the future splatbooks to be a halfway point from the lore-heaviness of the Lost Omens books, and the mechanical-heaviness of the APG. Something akin to the Occult/Horror Adventures, they said.
So depending on which themes they wanna tackle each year, that'll detail which new ancestries, classes and future archetypes will be published next.
By the way, Jason clearly said, even though we are getting an APG for PF2, that doesn't mean they will go through the PF1 rule books one by one and make PF2 versions. In fact, he said that "PF2 Ultimate Combat", for example, is not coming at all.
I can understand this, ultimate combat was pretty much the lets fix, barbarians and monks book. I could see an ultimate magic and occult adventure books though. there is a lot of design space in the magic realm, much more so than in the martial realm.
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I kinda hope it's the Occult/Horror stuff that comes next honestly. I think there was enough popularity with the Occult classes as a whole that it warrants looking at how similar concepts could best fit into 2E. Especially as something that's pretty different from the others in flavor alone. I wouldn't mind if they only ported like, two of the Occult classes. Whatever they feel has something really cool to offer and be different in 2E.
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The next two Adventure Paths are the Abomination Vaults and Fist of the Ruby Phoenix... which are the first two 3-part Pathfinder APs!
Vaults is a 1-11 "super-dungeon" on the Isle of Kortos. Is Ruby Phoenix is a martial arts tournament from 11-20. Explicit references to DBZ, Battle Royale, and Kung Fu Hustle when describing it. No points for guessing where its located XD
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Rokugan
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Psychic classes would be great as well as kitsune!
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The panels today should mention the next Lost Omens book and Rule book, right?
Probably.
Will the second half of '21 be covered?
Or is the expectation that only Spring supplements be revealed?
They only mentioned the spring AP releases, so my guess is the latter. That would still include two Lost Omens products, at least one rulebook, and plausibly an adventure module as well. Plus, if they are separate, the fates of Dead God's Hand and the Absalom book.
Could be a pretty full discussion!
Will the second half of '21 be covered?
Or is the expectation that only Spring supplements be revealed?
From all the unvealed releases I've seen, it's been late 2020, first half 2021 products. Starfinder's next hardcover is for April 2021, the next two APs for Starfinder are for August and November 2020. Both APs for PF2e are for the first half of 2021. And Kingmaker for PF2e is still slated for late 2020.
So the trend tells me they're just shooting for unveals for first half of 2021. Maybe the second half of 2021's releases will be shown off at GenCon Online?
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Lost Omens Ancestry Guide! Yes please.
EDIT: Oh damn, androids? Sprites? Awesome.
FLESHWARPS? Yes.
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Geniekin versatile heritage!!!
Edit - also kitsune and fetchling!
Lost Omens Ancestry Guide! Yes please.
EDIT: Oh damn, androids? Sprites? Awesome.
FLESHWARPS? Yes.
Thanks! I was late to the stream and missed the announcement, lol.
Definitely interested in this.
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Can Spider-frens be in this? Please?!
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Bestiary 3 announced. Lyz referred to it as "completing the core Bestiary trilogy." Fitting in iconic creatures that didn't make it elsewhere, urban themes, clockworks return, troops return, hyakume return, Sahkils return, and Imperial Dragons return. And an "ancestry-ready" medusa descended monster that is a very recent return.
And tooth fairies are on the cover.
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I got Bestiary 2 less than a week ago and I'm salivating over Bestiary 3. I may have flaws.
Any Mahasaputra in this book of bestiary 3 ?
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Hard to know what I would like to request... Lot of 1e AP bestiary monsters and original bestiary 3 monsters at least? ;D I already got my qlippoths back so I'm pretty happy about that
Yeah, just filling out things like summons particularly. More creatures at odd levels in the different summoning category.
Other than that, just more stuff! They referenced it as the third part of the bestiary trilogy, so I would think that it would really need to prop up the whole base of the game without additional bestiaries... hence completing summons.