An update, so I have managed to prone my foes and AOO them in the face on there way up. I am level 6 currently but I find myself rarely using Suplex. When would Suplex be the correct play? Like if I'm fighting below level enemies should I just focus on dealing damage or? Should I grab/trip enemies if they are same level or above? I am a controller for sure, but also deal the most DMG on the party simply because I am a Barbarian. A little help would be greatly appreciated.
It still seems Suplex isn't that great? Because you have to have the enemy grappled in the first place, I've found that it's better to attack twice then attack then grapple. A lot of enemies don't last till the second round in my experience anyway. I could see Suplex being useful on the second round for sure, but first round doesn't appear very good. Another application for it where it would be good would be after strike/furious grab/suplex. Or Embrace the pain, then on your turn you can Suplex them with your first attack. Does this sound right?
Ugh, ya I think AOO is just too good (despite only being an animal instinct barbarian who doesn't hit incredibly hard) to give up for Animal Skin. I don't see a place for it, the AC bonus is nice for sure especially for a frontline wrestler, but it would have to replace either AOO at level 6, or Furious Bully at level 8, and I just don't think it's better than either one of those. It may be something I can afford to take at level 10 though certainly.
Interesting, I ended up building a Barbarian Animal Instinct Wrestler. Your right though at level 10 I'm torn between so many good feats (Thrash, Whirling Throw, Friendly Toss). I guess a third action ability like Thrash or Whirling Throw would be best? Prior to that we've got AOO at 6, Furious Bully at 8. Those are too good to be anything else :( This druid idea you have, could a suplexing T-Rex be a thing? What did you have in mind?
But Gortle, Crushing Grab kinda sucks in the game say like after level 8+ as the damage becomes a bit lackluster :( Do you like any of the other wrestler feats besides Combat Grab and Whirling Throw? Whirling Throw seems like it would be Incredibly difficult to execute on anything two sizes larger than you?
Best way to let your barbarian use scrolls and wands is not using TMI, it's spending a class feat on an MC spellcaster archetype (assuming you have a 14 INT, CHA or WIS).
Don't have the spare feats, grappler build. With no spellcasters I just plan to prebuff before entering battles never during combat.
Hello all, just wondering what "instead of the usual effects" means. What are the usual effects of a grapple if you already have a creature grabbed. My other question is this a good feat or just some cool flavor thing like Aerial Piledriver that sounds good but isn't worth spending a class feat on.
Critical Success The target is clumsy 2 until the end of its next turn and clumsy 1 for 1 minute.
This wrestler seems to be more fun then the pure gymnast swash who deals pitiful damage. I thought about FoB via multitalented instead of Thrash at 10, but like it was said earlier FoB is a big time MAP accelerator and wouldn't really be great for this kind of character. I guess Human with adopted into Elf might be still good here getting Shield Cantrip and then Otherworldly Acumen at 9 to get Enlarge once a day. Does anyone recommend any other race? Adopted Halfling is appealing for the Luck feats but is it better then Shield (unlimited times a day) + Enlarge (once per day)? Not sold on Orc for bloody blows since it only applies to crits and an extra 1D4 persistent so doesn't kick in till the end of the round which means monster may be dead by then anyways.
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The biggest problem is level 8, it's either Whirling throw or Furious Bully :( I guess at level 12 if going Furious Grab we can just retrain Furious Bully and go Whirling Throw. What is the benefit of Animal Skin vs just throwing on some armor?
This is a very good point, good find! Yes I think at level 12 retraining for this is a great way to go. Will give me more feats for other things. But isn't it typically harder to hit someone's AC rather than an athletics check to grab? Though I would think a barbarians first attack would have a good enough attack bonus to be successfully pretty often?
Indeed my man, that is the struggle, I am stuck thinking there is only one path. While the swash is God mode for Manuevers post level 10, he seems pretty lackluster as a pure wrestler prior to that. The barbarian does have solid wrestling feats like the ones mentioned in previous posts, plus a serious ability to bring the pain. I think that would be a lot more fun then just grab/trip every round, every fight. Which animal instinct do you like for the barbarian wrestler?
Wouldn't I want Furious Bully instead of Brutal Bully?
Later on I could see replacing the Crushing Grab that you mentioned with Clinching Strike as a Barbarian does hit hard. Probably not with a Swashbuckler though.
Agreed, you mentioned Crushing Grab what level would you train out of this? because after awhile the damage is pretty insignificant no? Also would you recommend getting a reaction for the Wrestler and if so what would you go with? I don't see Clinch Strike as being too powerful in the hands of a D6 hitter, or is possible to go without a reaction?
The Whirling Throw athletics check would not benefit from Derring-Do correct?
I agree it sounds cool piledriving guys, but really how effective is it? I mean a small amount of damage with the chance to prone if all rolls well and you don't get a reroll since it's not an athletics check :( Just tripping or Grappling the enemy mechanically seems to be the best play, and these Suplexes and Piledrivers just sound like exactly what you said "fun" but that's about it.
Good points, ya at level 10 the Swashbuckler turns into a God (Hulk Hogan in his prime if you will).
Very interesting, you are correct that a lot of the Wrestlers moves are unarmed strikes and Derring-Do comes on late. Early game certainly the Fighter would be superior. But perhaps level 10 onwards the Swash would reign supreme?