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Basically the subject is the question. I know they have said they will be adding classes as 2e continues but I know a few of my players already stated they want to try their hand at homebrewing a few classes. My choice and I know I am in the minority but the Cavalier, I was said to hear that so many people disliked the class but my first character I ever created was a Gnome Cavalier and I loved that little guy. So what would be your choice?
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I'm probably going to try my hand at homebrewing the starfinder classes in an effort to see if it'll be somewhat simple or massively complex to port the starfinder setting and adventures into PF2.
I'll probably still end up running starfinder as starfinder, but I want to see if it's easy or hard.
But I think I'll need the GMG first.
So far I have done Gunslinger and Investigator, so I would update those 2 to the final rules first.
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Witch. It's really the only one that has a big place in my homebrew world which can't be adequately modeled using multi-class rules.
I'm thinking I'll start with the wizard chassis and switch arcane to occult spell lists.
School and thesis will be converted into patron and familiar with focus powers serving as hexes. probably stealing and reskinning focus spells from other classes which are more thematically appropriate rather than making completely new spells.
Without the final rules I can't exactly say how but I think I can make something that is workable.
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Witch. It's really the only one that has a big place in my homebrew world which can't be adequately modeled using multi-class rules.
I'm thinking I'll start with the wizard chassis and switch arcane to occult spell lists.
School and thesis will be converted into patron and familiar with focus powers serving as hexes. probably stealing and reskinning focus spells from other classes which are more thematically appropriate rather than making completely new spells.
Without the final rules I can't exactly say how but I think I can make something that is workable.
You know what would be kind of cool? Spending a focus point to gain the unlimited use of a hex, then refocus lets you change hexes, or refresh your ability to do the 1/day/target thing again.
I just really liked the all-day nature of hexes!
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Witch here, too. Like Bardarok, I've already homebrewed a Witch class, in a similar way as Bardarok, from how they described. Many hexes converted using Bard compositions as a baseline.
You know what would be kind of cool? Spending a focus point to gain the unlimited use of a hex, then refocus lets you change hexes, or refresh your ability to do the 1/day/target thing again.
I just really liked the all-day nature of hexes!
That's why I like using Bard as an inspiration for hexes; some hexes can be focus spells, while others can be unique cantrips.
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Witch is something that I wondered, does the relationship of the Witch and her Patron always need to manifest in an familiar? Classes are really different from their PF1 counterpart in the new edition so an Witch class could choose at first their Patron that will give acess to some spells know and their specific hex and then how their pact will manifest, be it the familiar or something else like an ritual dagger or even an ritual book.
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Witch is something that I wondered, does the relationship of the Witch and her Patron always need to manifest in an familiar? Classes are really different from their PF1 counterpart in the new edition so an Witch class could choose at first their Patron that will give acess to some spells know and their specific hex and then how their pact will manifest, be it the familiar or something else like an ritual dagger or even an ritual book.
That's a good idea. That's how 5e does it with warlocks (familiar, weapon, or book) though for PF2 I'd probably give an option to get the other two though. I'd imagine such options would be class feats whereas the full spellcasting and hexes would be based on patron. Maybe cleric domains are a better model for patrons than wizard schools since I feel each patron should probably grant a few spells not from the normal occult list as well as a basic hex with other more powerful hexes being optional.
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Witch is something that I wondered, does the relationship of the Witch and her Patron always need to manifest in an familiar? Classes are really different from their PF1 counterpart in the new edition so an Witch class could choose at first their Patron that will give acess to some spells know and their specific hex and then how their pact will manifest, be it the familiar or something else like an ritual dagger or even an ritual book.
I think that's an interesting take on it. I baked familiar into the class in my conversion, but that's because it was a conversion of a character from a PF1 home game, and as such, obviously, the character has a familiar already.
I think drawing from 5e's Warlock could give the class more variety.
The patron could even take a more direct role, maybe even foregoing a representation entirely by requiring some form of direct commune with the witch to grant their abilities. There's certainly a lot of room to tinker with mechanics to allow for more diverse concepts.
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Witch is something that I wondered, does the relationship of the Witch and her Patron always need to manifest in an familiar? Classes are really different from their PF1 counterpart in the new edition so an Witch class could choose at first their Patron that will give acess to some spells know and their specific hex and then how their pact will manifest, be it the familiar or something else like an ritual dagger or even an ritual book.
I think this is based on Witches being iconic with a familiar of sorts that they occasionally even talk to. Most notably a Black Cat, but I vaguely remember some other choices.
As for classes; definitely a handful of magic casting classes. There are some old Prestiege Classes that can be turned into Archetypes, such as one player of mine would enjoy a Geometer and Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil.
Some others are Effigy Master, Magus, Wu Jen, Beguiler(possibly); and some optional rules and feats for spell casters.
I'm going to try putting together the Hunter for my game. Right now, I'm thinking Druid w/ Animal Order, and spells swapped to spontaneous. We'll see if I need to add more, because we don't have much known on the druid layout right now.
Not sure if I will homebrew it or wait but Both Magus and Summoner are faves of mine and would like them back for 2e.
Probably something like an Engineer or Artificer.
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Occultist.
It just OOZES with an awesome psychic-detective flavor. Perhaps a Bard Multiclass something could do the trick, but I just adore the occultist. I'd love it if Occultist/Oracle/Witch eventually make it as official Paizo classes.
To me those classes are a really important part of pathfinder, even though my group is making a full-swap to 2e. Their flexibility, irreplaceable flavor, and really unique mechanics are something that I want to see moved into 2E.
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. Maybe cleric domains are a better model for patrons than wizard schools since I feel each patron should probably grant a few spells not from the normal occult list as well as a basic hex with other more powerful hexes being optional.
I agree. Easy class feat to put together. "Gain greater patron spell from your patron"
Really Hexes are now just Unique cantrips: Use all day, scales with level, doesn't use spell slot. I could see some as a focus power like Flight or some of the other 1/day, or only X/day.
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Another interesting take on Witch hexes might be to have them function similarly to many class abilities from Starfinder, with an at-will effect and then a stronger version of that effect that requires spending a Resolve Point (or in this case a focus point).
Speaking of Starfinder, I'm currently working on converting the system as a whole to use playtest rules (to be updated to the full rules when I have them), and it's surprisingly easy! Almost all the classes have a "choice of feature every even level" chassis that's pretty trivial to map onto class feats, and very few of those features reference numbers much so there's not a huge amount of rewriting to be done.
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Not necessarily a class, but I'd love to get a good variant of Corruptions down. They are a pretty good death penalty.
I have a small list.
Medium, Oracle, and Magus I have the clearest ideas of where I’d want to land on all of those (largely absorbing the Inquisitor and Hunter classes as I go). I have thoughts on others, but those are the ones I have strong concepts on what I want to see.
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I personally have templates for the Magus and Kineticist already written up (no specific math, I was gonna wait until full edition for that), and my GM and I are toying with a Shifter-esc Blue Mage type, currently known as the "Essence Thief", he's also making an umbrella archetype for our game world, it's a bit wonky at the moment, but it's coming along well.
Would love it if you posted any progress. I love starfinder but it is seriously disappointing how shackled it is to old design paradigms.I'm probably going to try my hand at homebrewing the starfinder classes in an effort to see if it'll be somewhat simple or massively complex to port the starfinder setting and adventures into PF2.
I'll probably still end up running starfinder as starfinder, but I want to see if it's easy or hard.
But I think I'll need the GMG first.
I'll definitely post them if it doesn't look like one of those 'just rewrite the whole system' conversions.
I don't have the CRB yet, but right now I'm considering just adding new flavored class feats for the fighter(soldier), rogue(operative), and alchemist(mechanic). The casters probably need a new class and spell lists to build off of, the solarian definitely does, and the envoy needs something new to make it something other than a spell-less bard.
Shifter was pretty much a failure in excecution
I read a few times over the class and was throughly underwhelmed
The animal instinct barbarian was basically Shifter.
mooncursed barbarian and animal instinct barbarian were both better shifters then the shifter
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Not sure if I will homebrew it or wait but Both Magus and Summoner are faves of mine and would like them back for 2e.
I'm also going to try and homebrew Magus for my son in our RoRL game that I'm going to try and convert to PF2
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One of my PF1 players runs a gun alchemist / eldritch archer.
I want to try to convert him, so the first thing I'll do is firearms and some gun-friendly wizard feats.
I intend to stat him as a plain simple Fighter/Wizard. And it works.
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I've got ideas in mind for running adventures in the Warcraft universe, so I've got plans to tinker around with a Warcraft-style Warlock and Paladin class.
Warcraft Warlocks will have a pet path like Druid and a focus spell path like the Paladin (only those focus spells won't be benefits to your allies, they will be curses/drains on your enemies). I'm also thinking of having its most powerful effects cause negative conditions on the caster to represent how Fel (demonic) magic in that universe always carries a cost.
Warcraft Paladins aren't too dissimilar to Golarion Paladins, so this would likely be adding a line of feats to represent the various Auras that Warcraft Paladins are known for - I imagine that the Bard class will have some features that could be molded into that.