Learning Spells from Another Class's List


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is it possible in pathfinder for one caster class to learn spell from another class,example a sorcerer learning a spell from a witch spell list that doesnt exist in the sorcerer spell list, without multiclassing to witch :V?

thx

ps: kinda similar to 3.5 arcane disciple...


The samsaran race has an alternate racial that lets you do it.

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It isn't, not without certain limited shenannigans like the Samsaran Munchkin race. Magi have the Spell Blending arcana, but that's limtied to sorcerer/wizard spells not already on their list.

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There's language in the sorcerer class to support the sorcerer learning non-sorcerer spells that are "on-theme", such as a verdant bloodline sorcerer learning burst of nettles. It's still GM's discretion, though.

You might also check out the ring of spell knowledge.

Hope that helps. :)


Ultimate Campaign has mechanics for researching a spell, which includes making up your own from scratch, and could reasonably be extended to researching a new spell that functions identically to one from another class. Subject to GM approval, naturally.


There's a few archtype. A bard one let's him learn Druid and ranger spells for instance.


Unsanctioned Knowledge for paladins.

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master_marshmallow wrote:
Unsanctioned Knowledge for paladins.

Good catch! I totally forgot about that...

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Edit: Sighs, never mind this is a Rules Question


someone once collected most features, that give you other classes' spells:
link
there might be newer ones


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thank you all very much for the help :D, was trying to make a good magus capable of self healing (cure spells) without being in combat so vampiric touch doesnt count, and no infernal healing for him since he has 2 lvls of paladin(plot reasons).


An honorable mention could go to the Skald. Though it doesn't learn spells off other lists, it gets the ability to cast from a couple of other spell lists spontaneously a few times per day.

Spell Kenning wrote:

At 5th level, a skald is learned in the magic of other spellcasters, and can use his own magic to duplicate those classes' spells. Once per day, a skald can cast any spell on the bard, cleric, or sorcerer/wizard spell list as if it were one of his skald spells known, expending a skald spell slot of the same spell level to cast the desired spell. Casting a spell with spell kenning always has a minimum casting time of 1 full round, regardless of the casting time of the spell.

At 11th level, a skald can use this ability twice per day. At 17th level, he can use this ability three times per day.

There is also a feat that lets you pick spells from the Druid & Witch list in addition to the above three, which gives some neat flexibility on a spontaneous caster :)


If you're a paladin just buy a wand of cure light wounds. Since it's on the paladin list you can use it, even though you can't cast paladin spells yet.


wow that mystic past life is very good, so i guess u trade this ability with samsaran magic right?


No, you trade shards of the past, the ability to get +2 to 2 skills of your choice, making them class skills.

The trade-off is really good.

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Elicoor wrote:

No, you trade shards of the past, the ability to get +2 to 2 skills of your choice, making them class skills.

The trade-off is really good.

Samsarans... best Munchkin race... evar.


ill stick with samsara...by the way does samsara ability work with alchemist formulae?(does that even count as spell list O.o?) the cure wound wand doesnt work well with the concept of this char, since he was suposed to be someone with fragments of souls/memories, thats why his wide variety of abilities...


jumpydady wrote:
ill stick with samsara...by the way does samsara ability work with alchemist formulae?(does that even count as spell list O.o?) the cure wound wand doesnt work well with the concept of this char, since he was suposed to be someone with fragments of souls/memories, thats why his wide variety of abilities...

By it's strictest reading no since formulae aren't typed and there's only one formulae list so you have no other options to chose from.


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Shaman has both a Favored Class bonus for Humans/Half-Elves/Half-Orcs, that lets them learn 1 lower leveled cleric spell per level on top of being able to use Wandering Hex/Spirit Talker with Arcane Enlightenment to get a set number of spells per use off the Sorcerer/Wizard list.


Some archetypes can do this. Magician Bards can add several spells from any other arcane spell lists. Friend of the Wild Bards can similarly add spells from the Ranger and Druid lists.

For a Magus with no dipping there are are a few weak options for healing.

-Go Hexcrafter and select some of the healing hexes.
-Get an Improved Familiar that can cast Cure Spells.
-Select a VMC (from Unchained) that grants some healing options.


Magaambyan arcanist prestiege class, known as collegiate arcansit on d20pfsrd, gets to poach spells from the druid list. Maybe that would work for you.


Claxon wrote:
Magaambyan arcanist prestiege class, known as collegiate arcansit on d20pfsrd, gets to poach spells from the druid list. Maybe that would work for you.

Unfortunately, a pure Magus can't meet the prerequisites.


humm what do you mean alchemist formulae is only one? do you mean that alchemist formulae is so unique that cant be counted as arcane spell list therefore doesnt have synergy with an arcane spell caster samsara that has mythic past life ability? T_T

wait does it mean alchemist class doesnt have any synergy with any prestige spellcasting class either right? O.o

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jumpydady wrote:
humm what do you mean alchemist formulae is only one? do you mean that alchemist formulae is so unique that cant be counted as arcane spell list therefore doesnt have synergy with an arcane spell caster samsara that has mythic past life ability? T_T

Correct. Alchemist and investigator extracts are neither arcane nor divine. Technically, they aren't even spells. :)


wow those class doesnt have synergy with anything then O.o they cant even get a decent prestige for them :( or mystic ascencion


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Gisher wrote:
Claxon wrote:
Magaambyan arcanist prestiege class, known as collegiate arcansit on d20pfsrd, gets to poach spells from the druid list. Maybe that would work for you.
Unfortunately, a pure Magus can't meet the prerequisites.

While reading strict RAW, you are correct, this is due simply to the fact that when the Spell Mastery feat was written, the only caster with a spellbook was the Wizard, but there is a FAQ on the Spell Mastery that does state that GM's should allow other arcane prepared classes to take it:

Source


Alchemist's can select Spell Knowledge as a discovery

"Select a single spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list that is at least 2 levels lower than your highest-level extract known. You can prepare and cast this spell as an arcane spell. Preparing the spell uses up an extract slot 1 level higher than the spell’s level. Your caster level is equal to your alchemist level, and your save DCs and concentration checks are Intelligence-based. You’re considered to have this spell on your spell list for purposes of prerequisites, spell completion items, and spell trigger items.

You may select this discovery more than once. Each time, it grants you access to another spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list."

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There is a FAQ on this “Spell Known” faq that requires it say it adds to your class spell list or it be a class feature of the class.


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There is also the Medium class. On a daily basis, you can channel a legend that bumps up your spellcasting to up to 6 levels of spells, selecting bonus spells known from either the Cleric list or the Sorcerer list. At 17th level, you can either cast any Sorcerer spell of up to 9th level or cast Miracle to duplicate any Cleric spell of up to 8th level or any other spell of up to 7th level.


I know this thread is old but I just found out another way to do this, Shabti Oracles and Shamans have a Favored Class Bonus that lets them learn one spells from the psychic class at one level below your maximum spell level, this sounds like the Samsaran Mystic Past Life on steroids since you just *get* the spells without needing to use up limited spells known (on the oracle at least) and it's not just spells from another class but from another *system* of magic, psychic instead of divine.


CryosFirerush wrote:
I know this thread is old but I just found out another way to do this, Shabti Oracles and Shamans have a Favored Class Bonus that lets them learn one spells from the psychic class at one level below your maximum spell level, this sounds like the Samsaran Mystic Past Life on steroids since you just *get* the spells without needing to use up limited spells known (on the oracle at least) and it's not just spells from another class but from another *system* of magic, psychic instead of divine.

Shaman class Spell accessible as F'vd Cls Optn: (4) Druid, (3) Cleric, (1) Ench Soc/Wiz, (1) Ill/Shdw Sor/Wiz, (1) Psychic all at 1 below max castable spell level for a HP.

Normally(without races, feats, etc) you can not learn spells from another class list.

remember that you cast these spells in the native style of your class, so in the last example oracles would cast the psychic spell using standard oracle methods.
Learning spells one level lower is nice but the good parts of the Sor/Wiz list are beyond the scope of this Favored Class option AND it costs a permanent HP. IMO Wayang Shamans have the best deal on this one. Learning a spell and not memorizing it daily lessens the value of the ability.

Samsaran's are a better deal for high casting ability score full casters who are looking for a few spells. The cost is +2 racial on 2 class skills (which is a bigger cost for classes with few class skills). Wiz take from Witch, Clr take from Drd or Pal. You get the spells when you can cast that spell level (after paying the class tax) thus no delay.
Shabati are not accessible in PFS.

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