Hey, no worries. Throw in whatever item ideas you have Rerednaw! If it affects the kineticist, I'm certainly open to looking at it.
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Will there be options that give a kineticist resistance and possible immunity to the energy associated with their element? Seems like it might fit.
so after a few tries, I can't get the kinetist to be Ezra Scarlet. Sad times.
I reckon Erza is best done as an Eldritch Knight, with different buffs functioning as different 'armors'.
Haste = Flight armor
Stone skin = adamantine armor
Resist elements:fire = flame empress armor
etc.
so after a few tries, I can't get the kinetist to be Ezra Scarlet. Sad times.I reckon Erza is best done as an Eldritch Knight, with different buffs functioning as different 'armors'.
Haste = Flight armor
Stone skin = adamantine armor
Resist elements:fire = flame empress armoretc.
Indeed, Erza doesn't really fit into the Kineticist build, except, possibly, as a Telekinetic.
Honestly, Erza should almost be a blank slate character, but each armor she puts on changes her class. Hmmm... maybe her Requip magic is actually an instantaneous Rubuild of her entire class?
Requip! (Fighter)
Requip! (Barbarian)
Requip! (Telekinetic)
So on and so forth.
This spell fits the concept for Erza. With False Focus, you can avoid the need to sacrifice a weapon each time you cast it, and with a 100gp limit you can get large greatswords. =)
But this should be its own thread. Back to the kineticist?
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Natsu is clearly a Pyrokineticist, if only there was a mechanic in the game that allowed for elemental kineticists to consume their element to reduce burn or something.
*hint hint*
For example, a pyrokineticist could consume a fire spell and reduce his burn damage by the caster level of the fire spell. Or he could consume a fire and reduce his burn damage based off the size of the currently burning fire. However, he can't consume fire generated by his own abilities. So if he were to try and set a forest on fire with his abilities, he wouldn't be able to consume the fire because it spawned from himself.
If he were to consume enemy spells, it would function much like a readied action to dispel.
Again...
*hint hint*
This spell fits the concept for Erza. With False Focus, you can avoid the need to sacrifice a weapon each time you cast it, and with a 100gp limit you can get large greatswords. =)
But this should be its own thread. Back to the kineticist?
FTFY
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I'm wondering if there will be a development to the healing properties of water and aether. Kinetic Healer could have an improved and greater version, able to remove increasingly dangerous conditions and types of damage.
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I'm wondering if there will be a development to the healing properties of water and aether. Kinetic Healer could have an improved and greater version, able to remove increasingly dangerous conditions and types of damage.
Did you know that you guys are pretty tricksy about guessing kineticist archetypes and goodies that I ordered?
Should we expect multiple drafts of the playtest like in the ACG playtest, or is this our document until playtest ends? Both methods have their strength, but I would prefer a 2-3 draft playtest.
Natsu is clearly a Pyrokineticist, if only there was a mechanic in the game that allowed for elemental kineticists to consume their element to reduce burn or something.
*hint hint*
For example, a pyrokineticist could consume a fire spell and reduce his burn damage by the caster level of the fire spell. Or he could consume a fire and reduce his burn damage based off the size of the currently burning fire. However, he can't consume fire generated by his own abilities. So if he were to try and set a forest on fire with his abilities, he wouldn't be able to consume the fire because it spawned from himself.
If he were to consume enemy spells, it would function much like a readied action to dispel.
Again...
*hint hint*
Actually, I want to expand on this, because in order for it to work, I think a minor change to Burn would need to be made.
Basically, the amount of Non-lethal damage is tied to your current level of Burn points; you can't heal the damage, you have to find away to reduce the Burn.
To alter the above idea, you would consume fire spells, or natural fires, and your current amount of Burn points would be reduced based on the level of the spell (or effective level) or the size of the fire. This stops people from spamming 0-level cantrips to reduce burn.
So you could hit the pyrokineticist with a burning hands spell, and reduce his current Burn by 1 point, which would also reduce the non-lethal damage. Or you could hit him with a meteor swarm and reduce his Burn by 9 points.
Natsu is clearly a Pyrokineticist, if only there was a mechanic in the game that allowed for elemental kineticists to consume their element to reduce burn or something.
*hint hint*
For example, a pyrokineticist could consume a fire spell and reduce his burn damage by the caster level of the fire spell. Or he could consume a fire and reduce his burn damage based off the size of the currently burning fire. However, he can't consume fire generated by his own abilities. So if he were to try and set a forest on fire with his abilities, he wouldn't be able to consume the fire because it spawned from himself.
If he were to consume enemy spells, it would function much like a readied action to dispel.
Again...
*hint hint*
Actually, I want to expand on this, because in order for it to work, I think a minor change to Burn would need to be made.
Basically, the amount of Non-lethal damage is tied to your current level of Burn points; you can't heal the damage, you have to find away to reduce the Burn.
To alter the above idea, you would consume fire spells, or natural fires, and your current amount of Burn points would be reduced based on the level of the spell (or effective level) or the size of the fire. This stops people from spamming 0-level cantrips to reduce burn.
So you could hit the pyrokineticist with a burning hands spell, and reduce his current Burn by 1 point, which would also reduce the non-lethal damage. Or you could hit him with a meteor swarm and reduce his Burn by 9 points.
I like the idea, but this would make it too easy to remove burn. Making a wand of burning hands a 50 burn points battery will make the class far more powerful than it should be.
Wouldn't sonic be a better energy type for aerokineticist? Sound's basically air* vibration, after all.
Also, how is the kineticist particularly occult?
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I've been watching this thread like a hawk for a few days now. The biggest changes I want to support (that haven't been more-or-less confirmed) would be Combat Styles that give a free feat or two based on Unarmed, Weapon or Blast, moving up the BAB and HD a notch, and provide more options outside of combat.
As it is now you need to dump a lot of feats to get it ready to compete against other classes, the hit chance doesn't feel quite right as an "all-or-nothing" single attack (way too easy to go multiple rounds without dealing any damage. Makes things frustrating) and outside of combat they can't seem to do much.
I just want to point to the Ranger class for a quick moment: full BAB (with other free stuff to give it a bonus), a plethora of bonus feats for just about any style, an animal companion, TONS of skill points and a nice grab-bag of utility spells. So far the Kineticist isn't full BAB (with the bonus coming at a price), is given no bonus feats for its attack pattern, and little to no utility at all. Although to be fair the Ranger is a pretty amazing class to begin with so it isn't the power level to shoot for, but something close would be a good idea to get to.
I just want to say how cool it would be thematically to use a broken hilt and use Kinetic Blade to turn it into a sword or other such weapon.
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I just want to say how cool it would be thematically to use a broken hilt and use Kinetic Blade to turn it into a sword or other such weapon.
...You broke my father's sword. You know, when you killed him. This isn't that sword. This is my wrath made manifest. This is vengeance!
Now, I saw some people wondering why Kineticists use Constitution for their power base, rather than some mental attribute. I actually thought of the question and came up with an answer. The Kineticist channels the energy of the Elemental planes or the Ethereal plane directly through their body. This channeling, while directed by the mind, is based upon the ability to resist the stresses this link puts upon the body.
This is also why the "Burn" effect exists, you are pushing your body past its physical limit on how fast you can channel the energies you use, thus damaging yourself for more power.
Very nicely put.
Going to play a Kineticist at levels 7 and 13 this Saturday. Wish me luck. :)
hmm could go with the eating spell thing, but make it a class ablility, where they can eat any spell as a ready action or something, and recover the nonleathal damage, not the burn. like lv of spell time number of burn points racked up equals number of non-leathal points healed lol
Yeah, that is an issue (one they kind of gloss over in the Fairy Tail anime). If it was simply limited to spells/spell-like abilities or supernatural abilities, it'd probably be better.
As for dealing with magical items like wands/staffs, I guess you would have to go with the spell level reduces the non-lethal damage, but not the burn points, or give it a restriction that spells cast from objects can't be consumed.
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What if you used a blinkback belt (combined with quick draw) with a couple of conductive javelins(you rotate use of the javelins)?
The cost of javelins would be extrenely expensive, but at least they wouldn't be destroyed/get lost.
Also, does spell penetration apply to all the kinetic blasts, and what happens if you channel anearth blast through a weapon that penetrates dr (ie, conductive holy cold iron morningstar vs a demon).
Do sorcerer bloodlines like orc/primal work with the kineticist blasts?
Thanks.
Let me First say this class rocks. Great Job. Seems like Water is getting a lot of attention, so I'm going to concentrate on Earth (Haven't seen many people comment on it)
I actually like that Earth and Fire are restricted to only physical and energy respectively, but I think each of them needs a little something "Extra" to help overcome the limitations this puts on them. Earth really, really needs some way to boost its attack rolls, and Fire could use a bonus vs Spell resistance.
Feel The Burn Helps, but I would suggest that each element gets an additional Bonus for each point of Burn. As an Example, Earth Gains an Extra +1 Attack Bonus, Fire Gains +1 CL check to overcome SR, Air Gains +5 ft movement, Water Gains +2 acrobatics checks (? couldn't think of anything else).
Trying to build out a GeoKineticts, and I have noticed a few things.
1> Rare Metal Infusion can't be taken until after you get Expanded Element at 7th. You could take Extra Wild Talent feat at 7th. but...
2> With a Base Cost of 2 Burn on a Metal Blast, and 2 More on a Rare Earth infusion, Ouch... At 7th level, even if you put you're Infusion Specialization into Substance, and use a Move Action too "Charge up", That's still 2 Burn just to get an Attack past Cold Iron/Silver DR, and you are still trying to hit standard AC.
3> Earth needs more options, sooner. If Earth is meant to be the Defensive Option of the class, It needs better options, sooner. Right now, a lot of Earth's options are shared by the other elements (Water, I'm looking at you).
4> Jagged Flesh, cool ability, fits with the whole Defensive theme... but it's not available until 6th level. Feel's like it needs to be 1st level or stay at 6th and cost 0 Burn. I can't see this being chosen over Tremor-sense.
So, do Spell-like blasts and Talents qualify for Quicken Spell-Like Ability? If so, what level spell do they count as?
Ooh, actually, I'm building a Kinetcist now and it may have some options that are usually terrible available to it. Like using Bullseye Shot to negate the attack penalty from Deadly Aim. Often they don't need a Move action, so that's a potential damage booster for some.
All spell-like abilities qualify for meta-SLA feats if your GM is putting feats with the [Monster] tag on the table for PCs. That said, they count as the level they say they count as, which means you can never use them on blasts (which is fine since they have their own built in metas for everyone, no feat tax required!). But you want to quicken your slick and your GM is all for meta-SLA feats? Go for it! As it says in the header, it's 1st level (they all have equivalent levels listed prominently to help you with things like this, for globe of invulnerability and for all other such things. It was something I was adamant about)
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I think what is missing from the Kineticist class is class abilities that can strongly affect narrative.
Elements and their relationship with narration:
A Pyrokineticist who uses fire to uncover the truth in things (e.g Zone of Truth spell).
A Aerokineticist who uses air to view places that are far away (e.g a lesser version of the Scry spell.)
Burn class ability and hurting yourself in the name of correcting injustices of the world.
Even though high DPR is empowering for many players (myself included), it's sometimes less empowering for others.
Roleplaying games have the power to act as a form of catharsis, you may not be able to correct the injustices in the real world, but you get the opportunity to do it in a fantasy world.
And voluntarily personal harm to combat the cunning nature of evil (finding the illusive trail of a serial killer) is epic and could be more empowering than a high DPR.
From my personal experience, for many players (especially female players, a common sight at my gaming table) "empowerment through influencing narrative" is an important factor in class selection.
If it works, a conductive melee weapon would help a lot with accuracy issues for attack based blasts with Kinetic Blade, and solve issues with concentration checks.
All spell-like abilities qualify for meta-SLA feats if your GM is putting feats with the [Monster] tag on the table for PCs. That said, they count as the level they say they count as, which means you can never use them on blasts (which is fine since they have their own built in metas for everyone, no feat tax required!). But you want to quicken your slick and your GM is all for meta-SLA feats? Go for it! As it says in the header, it's 1st level (they all have equivalent levels listed prominently to help you with things like this, for globe of invulnerability and for all other such things. It was something I was adamant about)
Cool. Empower SLA might be useful for something like Explosion to avoid taking more Burn.
Did you ever answer whether something like Weapon Focus or Ability Focus could apply to Blasts?
I just read the rules for the Kineticist today, though I glanced at them two days ago.
My first glance impression: it is pretty much a Warlock from 3.5.
That impression remains now that I have read it, but it is not a complaint as such, it is an observation. I rather liked Warlocks and have kind of missed them.
Now, I saw some people wondering why Kineticists use Constitution for their power base, rather than some mental attribute. I actually thought of the question and came up with an answer. The Kineticist channels the energy of the Elemental planes or the Ethereal plane directly through their body. This channeling, while directed by the mind, is based upon the ability to resist the stresses this link puts upon the body.
This is also why the "Burn" effect exists, you are pushing your body past its physical limit on how fast you can channel the energies you use, thus damaging yourself for more power.
I love your explanation for burn. A rational explanation for powers makes the Kineticist appear more real and could inspire a series of Elemental plane themed feats or wild talents.
About the DR problem: Maybe a feat could fix that. Something like this:
Emotional Blast (Su)
The kineticist can infuse his blast with an emotional component (like the one used for psychic spells) in order to overcome alignment damage reduction. His blast is treated as having an alignment of his choice when using this feat.
or this:
Penetrating Blast (Su) Kineticist 5th.
The kineticist's blast can ignore 5 points of DR that is not /- or /epic, or 5 points of resistance of a target when using his Wild Blast. His blasts may also ignore 5 points of hardness from objects.
Improved Penetrating Blast (Su) Kineticist 10th.
The kineticist becomes able to ignore up to 10 points of resistance, DR or Hardness with his blast. The same restrictions from Penetrating Blast apply.
Greater Penetrating Blast (Su) Kineticist 15th.
The kinethicist may ignore up to 10 points of resistance, DR or Hardness with his blast. He can even affect DR /- or /epic, and enemies immune to his element still take half damage from his blast.
I really like this class. From reading it seems better balanced to earlier classes than the ACG classes.
My only problems are the 'terrakinesis' (because it sounds a bit wrong, and doesn't fit the etymology) and the 'infusion' (because it will create confusion, game terms need to be kept distinct) nomenclature.
It could probably do with 4+ skill points and it may be a little bit feat starved but otherwise this is very well done and I look forward to the archetypes and feats that will go with it.
The saves feel off for some elements. Shouldn't a telekinetic have a good will save? Should a terrakinetic really have a good reflex save. Maybe the class could have different saves based on element. Or maybe just make the saves fort and will.
The problem with that statement Ivan, is that the vital strike feats would also apply, wich to me would be broken.But blast is not an attack action but a standard action
Where does it say that? I read "can unleash at will". It's not nailed down to a standard like an Alchemist's bomb.
The saves feel off for some elements. Shouldn't a telekinetic have a good will save? Should a terrakinetic really have a good reflex save. Maybe the class could have different saves based on element. Or maybe just make the saves fort and will.
It's about moving stuff with your mind. Including yourself. And the power source is yourself, hence the con. Reflex and Fort seem totally appropriate to me.