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Now I REALLY wanna run this - and by Sen H. H. S?! Pinch me.
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Oh we *learning about the God of Secrets* are we?
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Wasn’t expecting a full on god to show up on the cover of an AP. Like that’s a HUGE npc
Heh, yeah. I was pretty excited about being able to put one on the cover. As with all cover NPCs, that's not just a symbol. There's some Big Stuff happening in this Adventure Path!
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Wasn’t expecting a full on god to show up on the cover of an AP. Like that’s a HUGE npcNeatly explains why Book 3 wasn't announced alongside Books 1 and 2, too.
Yeah. This Adventure Path's place in the meta-event of War of Immortals made it particularly tricky to give it a typical announcement. I'll for sure be chatting about it more once we get to Paizocon, and we'll have more blog posts about it later as well, but if anyone's got questions about this feel free to ask over in the Curtain Call forum here on the site. I'll be lurking there and will answer what I can (or want) to answer.
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In other cover news, bearing in mind that "product images. . . are subject to change," we now have four iconics for Curtain Call: Seoni, Mios, Fumbus, and Jirelle.
The iconics for Curtain Call are Lem, Mios, Fumbus, and Jirelle. Seoni would have been a good choice, but...
Lem is the bard, so he HAS to be in the opera Adventure Path.
Jirelle and Mios both look like they'd be rad on stage in an opera.
And Fumbus is there to ensure that the whimsy built into this Adventure Path is on point.
Yeah. This Adventure Path's place in the meta-event of War of Immortals made it particularly tricky to give it a typical announcement. I'll for sure be chatting about it more once we get to Paizocon, and we'll have more blog posts about it later as well, but if anyone's got questions about this feel free to ask over in the Curtain Call forum here on the site. I'll be lurking there and will answer what I can (or want) to answer.Wasn’t expecting a full on god to show up on the cover of an AP. Like that’s a HUGE npcNeatly explains why Book 3 wasn't announced alongside Books 1 and 2, too.
Can't wait for that forum to get made in a couple months - as someone whose group finished up Hell's Rebels with book 4 at level 12, I'll be very excited to get to talking about how best to bring that forward in to a sequel. (And I recall you considering thinking about advice for that in the players guide back in the book 1 thread).
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Can't wait for that forum to get made in a couple months - as someone whose group finished up Hell's Rebels with book 4 at level 12, I'll be very excited to get to talking about how best to bring that forward in to a sequel. (And I recall you considering thinking about advice for that in the players guide back in the book 1 thread).Yeah. This Adventure Path's place in the meta-event of War of Immortals made it particularly tricky to give it a typical announcement. I'll for sure be chatting about it more once we get to Paizocon, and we'll have more blog posts about it later as well, but if anyone's got questions about this feel free to ask over in the Curtain Call forum here on the site. I'll be lurking there and will answer what I can (or want) to answer.Wasn’t expecting a full on god to show up on the cover of an AP. Like that’s a HUGE npcNeatly explains why Book 3 wasn't announced alongside Books 1 and 2, too.
Ended up not really putting all that much advice in there for that, but it's for sure a great way to do it if you want!
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Norgorber here is just looking so KICK ASS here.
I have NEVER been particularly excited about him, but here? Gosh I wanna fight him! Or at least see someone fight him. Feel like that would be an EPIC fight. (Well... I mean, yeah, he's a deity, but STILL. he looks OUT TO KILL.)
Big kudos to the artist.
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So this AP and Triumph of the Tusk will feature Gorums death?
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So this AP and Triumph of the Tusk will feature Gorums death?
Triumph sounds like it happens afterwards, and will focus a bit more on the upheavals in the orc pantheon. It's about to lose two gods and gain one. Verex will become a Spawn of Rovagug, and Mahja Firehair has to kill one to ascend. I could be wrong, though. There have been simultaneous APs before (Hell's Rebels/Hell's Vengeance). This AP seems like it will have the death.
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So this AP and Triumph of the Tusk will feature Gorums death?Triumph sounds like it happens afterwards, and will focus a bit more on the upheavals in the orc pantheon. It's about to lose two gods and gain one. Verex will become a Spawn of Rovagug, and Mahja Firehair has to kill one to ascend. I could be wrong, though. There have been simultaneous APs before (Hell's Rebels/Hell's Vengeance). This AP seems like it will have the death.
I feel like this AP might end right before the actual death, or maybe reveal Norgorber's involvement in the event, similarly how Prey For Death might show Achaekek's part of what I'm guessing is a rather ambitious collaboration of deicide. I thought War of Immortals might contain the scene itself; then again I have been very wrong before; would be one hell of a cliffhanger scene to conclude a level 20 AP
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I am so excited about this article on Norgorber! We may finally learn about his background as a mortal. I can never get enough of him!!! Thank you Paizo.
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that muscular Astradaemon though
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I am so excited about this article on Norgorber! We may finally learn about his background as a mortal. I can never get enough of him!!! Thank you Paizo.
There comes the reveal of the three evil halflings behind the curtains of Norgorber.
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This is heresy. Everyone knows that there are four halflings.I am so excited about this article on Norgorber! We may finally learn about his background as a mortal. I can never get enough of him!!! Thank you Paizo.There comes the reveal of the three evil halflings behind the curtains of Norgorber.
And their names* are Blackfingers, Father Skinsaw, the Gray Master, and the Reaper of Reputation!
*-- the bit about erasing all knowledge of the original name went further than we realized.
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This is heresy. Everyone knows that there are four halflings.I am so excited about this article on Norgorber! We may finally learn about his background as a mortal. I can never get enough of him!!! Thank you Paizo.There comes the reveal of the three evil halflings behind the curtains of Norgorber.And their names* are Blackfingers, Father Skinsaw, the Gray Master, and the Reaper of Reputation!
*-- the bit about erasing all knowledge of the original name went further than we realized.
I've long suspected that Norgorber was four people in a trenchcoat. Although it creates a troubling precedent, that an adventuring party can complete the Test of the Starstone together.
I was already excited (been wanting to do a theatrical adventure ever since the Council of Thieves) but now I am HYPED! Norgyborgy is one of my favorite deities in Lost Omens, so this is gonna be fun.
that muscular Astradaemon though
"Okay, here me out..."
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I feel like this AP might end right before the actual death, or maybe reveal Norgorber's involvement in the event, similarly how Prey For Death might show Achaekek's part of what I'm guessing is a rather ambitious collaboration of deicide. I thought War of Immortals might contain the scene itself; then again I have been very wrong before; would be one hell of a cliffhanger scene to conclude a level 20 APSo this AP and Triumph of the Tusk will feature Gorums death?Triumph sounds like it happens afterwards, and will focus a bit more on the upheavals in the orc pantheon. It's about to lose two gods and gain one. Verex will become a Spawn of Rovagug, and Mahja Firehair has to kill one to ascend. I could be wrong, though. There have been simultaneous APs before (Hell's Rebels/Hell's Vengeance). This AP seems like it will have the death.
As revealed at PaizoCon, the death happens on screen (NOT in this AP ;))
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More precisely, while the PCs don't get to interact directly with the death in Curtain Call...
Prey For Death is much more of an "on screen" depiction of the actual death, but its effects and build up and aftermath are a part of Curtain Call, as well as for the next Adventure Path, Triumph of the Tusk, and to a lesser extent the one after that, Spore War.
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As revealed at PaizoCon, the death happens on screen (NOT in this AP ;))I feel like this AP might end right before the actual death, or maybe reveal Norgorber's involvement in the event, similarly how Prey For Death might show Achaekek's part of what I'm guessing is a rather ambitious collaboration of deicide. I thought War of Immortals might contain the scene itself; then again I have been very wrong before; would be one hell of a cliffhanger scene to conclude a level 20 APSo this AP and Triumph of the Tusk will feature Gorums death?Triumph sounds like it happens afterwards, and will focus a bit more on the upheavals in the orc pantheon. It's about to lose two gods and gain one. Verex will become a Spawn of Rovagug, and Mahja Firehair has to kill one to ascend. I could be wrong, though. There have been simultaneous APs before (Hell's Rebels/Hell's Vengeance). This AP seems like it will have the death.
Yeah my theory got debunked pretty succinctly during a panel; either way I can't wait for both products :-D
3 weeks to go!
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Norgorber's true name has been revealed!
I'm pretty amused with his real name!
Any hint as to the new beasties in this one?
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Norgorber's true name has been revealed!
** spoiler omitted **I'm pretty amused with his real name!
Aka there is no grand secret he is hiding, but everyone thinks so because he is hiding it and that's the secret
To be fair, seeing a name revealed in a forum post is a lot less climactic than the same name being revealed over the course of a campaign.
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Yeah, folks complaining about the reveal being "underwhelming" are doing it a bit of a disservice, I feel. The overall way in which the PCs learn this (which is one drop in a big bucket of secrets they can learn) is much more operatic and exciting and memorable.
It's a classic example of how a spoiled surprise taken out of context of the rest of the story might feel underwhelming, but also might kind of ruin things for players who want to experience the contextual thrills of the story in play, so regardless of your opinions on this stuff, please do continue to use spoiler tags.
It's kinda inspired by how folks were so diappointed at the end of the TV show "Lost." while the show was running, the engagement and excitement and wonder people had about the secrets made the show a phenomenon that kinda helped to change the entire nature of how scripted television shows worked, but once the big secrets were out, everyone complianed and was angry.
This story is exploring that–how if you keep a secret, you run the risk of when someone finds out what it is that they'l be angry with you.
All important stuff for fans in ANY fandom to keep in mind when they push for creators to reveal secrets they've put in place. Manage your expectations and learn to enjoy the story's journey without placing 100% of your satisfaction on something that can never be fully satisfying to everyone. And maybe be at peace with content creators who DON'T want to reveal absolutely everything about something they create. The mysteries of secrets are often so much more powerful and important and compelling when they remain such.
All of which is why we'll never be revealing the details of how and why Aroden died.
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Norgorber sounds silly to begin with. I enjoy everything James and Paizo have done with the character so far. I find it all very fitting. It's like those amazingly charismatic people you find who have a terrible voice, or a short stature. He might be the best thief or assassin but he wasn't always so. Even as a deity, Norgorber is second to Akaechek. We do not need another cookie cutter Voldemort or Joker. Norgorber is original and well executed so props to the writing team on this one. I hope his story continues in Golarion (yes I know, nothing before 2026 is planned...)
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All of which is why we'll never be revealing the details of how and why Aroden died.
Lol. Yep, I had that exact line repeating in my head the whole time I was reading that post, and seeing it at the end made me laugh, cause if it hadn't been there, I was SO going to post it as a reply. xD
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Yeah, folks complaining about the reveal being "underwhelming" are doing it a bit of a disservice, I feel. The overall way in which the PCs learn this (which is one drop in a big bucket of secrets they can learn) is much more operatic and exciting and memorable.
It's a classic example of how a spoiled surprise taken out of context of the rest of the story might feel underwhelming, but also might kind of ruin things for players who want to experience the contextual thrills of the story in play, so regardless of your opinions on this stuff, please do continue to use spoiler tags.
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All important stuff for fans in ANY fandom to keep in mind when they push for creators to reveal secrets they've put in place. Manage your expectations and learn to enjoy the story's journey without placing 100% of your satisfaction on something that can never be fully satisfying to everyone. And maybe be at peace with content creators who DON'T want to reveal absolutely everything about something they create. The mysteries of secrets are often so much more powerful and important and compelling when they remain such.
All of which is why we'll never be revealing the...
He's not dead! He'll be back any day now.
Any day now...
Norgorber sounds silly to begin with. I enjoy everything James and Paizo have done with the character so far. I find it all very fitting. It's like those amazingly charismatic people you find who have a terrible voice, or a short stature. He might be the best thief or assassin but he wasn't always so. Even as a deity, Norgorber is second to Akaechek. We do not need another cookie cutter Voldemort or Joker. Norgorber is original and well executed so props to the writing team on this one. I hope his story continues in Golarion (yes I know, nothing before 2026 is planned...)
Nothing is planned... but there's a sequel hook* or two.
*-- on a meta level. I don't think that this party will take part. Though there could be a Sihedron Heroes type situation.
Yeah, folks complaining about the reveal being "underwhelming" are doing it a bit of a disservice, I feel ... All of which is why we'll never be revealing the details of how and why Aroden died.
Now I am convinced he did something dumb like accidental self-defenestration or switching seats while driving, and you're not gonna' tell us cos we'll take the piss.
Norgorber's true name has been revealed!
** spoiler omitted **I'm pretty amused with his real name!