Pathfinder Lost Omens: Divine Mysteries

Announced for November! Product images and descriptions are not final and are subject to change. :)

Damn that is a beefy book

Exciting! Looking forward to the new character options and updated domains/spells!

Battle Harbinger sounds awesome!

320 pages is BEEFY! Excited to see all this.

Almost as big as Inner Sea Gods! Finally the Gods sourcebook I've been waiting for in 2E!

I feel like this is gonna join Knights of Lastwall among my favorite 2e books!

Saw some archetype pictures in the twitch stream. The Rivethun emissary is Shardra, so combining the archetype with the new animist class...
:)

Oh my, this a tome.....that's a lot of gods getting full writeups instead of simply being jammed in a list

Also, DEAR GODS.....I think the battle harbinger is the divine wave caster we all asked for.

320 pages is BEEFY! Excited to see all this.

Yeah, that’s a huge upgrade from the 128 pages we have now in Gods & Magic. Definitely makes this book way more intriguing.

Hooray!

Hm. Only 8 creature blocks in WoI and apparently none in this thing... Was hoping Heralds would make a comeback, but alas! I'll have fun regardless.

Saw some archetype pictures in the twitch stream. The Rivethun emissary is Shardra, so combining the archetype with the new animist class...

:)

And the Battle Herald is Oluch the war priest!

Well, I was initially very skeptical about this book, considering it a simple remaster, but if the volume has grown so much, then I think I will watch it much more carefully.

Well, I was initially very skeptical about this book, considering it a simple remaster, but if the volume has grown so much, then I think I will watch it much more carefully.

yeah, being more than twice the amount of pages, that's DEFINITELY NOT a "simple remaster"! :P

Nice to see a return of "Esoteric Order of the Palatine Eye". At least that's what the transcript (via YouTube) seems to imply is in the book. IMHO, it works well with the whole Dark Tapestry theme I'm seeing wrt the Godsrain Prophecy.

I really hope this means that 2025 will give us a matching Arcane Mysteries or something similar. I really want a book that spells out a whole mess of spell schools. What I think they should have is like a core curriculum (spells that any wizard attending would need to learn) and then something like specialty groups (like majors at a college). Maybe they could be something like cleric domains where certain schools would allow access to certain domains but not to others.

I really hope this means that 2025 will give us a matching Arcane Mysteries or something similar. I really want a book that spells out a whole mess of spell schools. What I think they should have is like a core curriculum (spells that any wizard attending would need to learn) and then something like specialty groups (like majors at a college). Maybe they could be something like cleric domains where certain schools would allow access to certain domains but not to others.

Looking at the Battle Cry! playtest, I think the big rule book for 2025 will be a "war" focused one... maybe even specifically "martial".

Is there not going to be a PDF version, or is it simply not announced until closer to publication?

Is there not going to be a PDF version, or is it simply not announced until closer to publication?

PDF sales always begin after release. You also get a PDF with the physical product subscription.

Looking at the Battle Cry! playtest, I think the big rule book for 2025 will be a "war" focused one... maybe even specifically "martial".

Yes but that’s a rule book, not a setting book like Divine Mysteries or my hoped for Arcane Mysteries. Not to mention that there’s plenty of stuff in Secrets of Magic that could use a Remaster touch up (e.g., Rune magic). And as someone with a PFS Silence in Snow Witch, we could use a lot of ice themed spells.

Will this get a sketch cover?

Very pleased to hear that the Couatl divinities will be in this one.

Will this get a sketch cover?

Has any Lost Omens book gotten one? I assumed that was a Rulebooks thing.

Very pleased to hear that the Couatl divinities will be in this one.

Thebigham wrote:

Will this get a sketch cover?

Has any Lost Omens book gotten one? I assumed that was a Rulebooks thing.

I thought I heard or read something else was but maybe not. You could be right.

How manu gods are they planning to cover in this book, exactly?

How manu gods are they planning to cover in this book, exactly?

My understanding is "literally all of them in Pathfinder canon."

Does anyone know if the psychopomp ushers would be in this? I started reading about them and I'd like to see them updated. Plus if they're in this book we could get Yivali's commentary on them as psychopomps, which would be neat.

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

How manu gods are they planning to cover in this book, exactly?

My understanding is "literally all of them in Pathfinder canon."

And adding even more!

I hope that Divine Intercessions will show up in this book. That was my favorite piece of content from Gods and Magic.

So excited for this!

Does anyone know if the psychopomp ushers would be in this? I started reading about them and I'd like to see them updated. Plus if they're in this book we could get Yivali's commentary on them as psychopomps, which would be neat.

They're confirmed to be in it yup

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

How manu gods are they planning to cover in this book, exactly?

My understanding is "literally all of them in Pathfinder canon."

Small correction, I'm pretty sure it was: "That had rule printed for PF2". PF1 had more than 400 deities. PF2 "only" need 190 deities to be converted to remaster, with a handful that might get removed for OGL. For references, Gods & Magic had 141 deities in the book.

They WILL have some new ones though, and might bring back some PF1 deities, but My own guess for the biggest number I would guess would be ~250. I still want a lot pages for deeper writeups and stuff. :P

ornathopter wrote:

Does anyone know if the psychopomp ushers would be in this? I started reading about them and I'd like to see them updated. Plus if they're in this book we could get Yivali's commentary on them as psychopomps, which would be neat.

They're confirmed to be in it yup

Excellent! I've been hoping for them to get more love - and it'd be nice if Vavaalrav got a new symbol that wasn't just a Celtic cross. I'd just thought it was very unlikely that'd be touched on again.

(I've been pondering using the Ruins of Nebrindae, the psychopomp temple in the plane of Air, for something, since it seemed like a great little plot hook, but decoupling it from real world religious iconography would be pretty important to me. So the cross and circle symbol would be a problem.)

Will there be a Fiend Hunter Archetype option? There seems to be a lot of specific Undead Slayer options, (Ghosteater, Knights of Lastwall, Undead Slayer, etc…) but I’m having trouble finding a specifically fiend slayer themed Archetype… (without Multiclassing mind you)

I will be so upset if boons and curses are not in this book. It’s one of the best things for diety focused players and it was sadly not part of some of the tian xia gods in their book

Will all the gods that have been mentioned in AP material like Rowdrosh be included? Other demon lords that are Paizo's that came out in the Book of the Damned? What about pantheons like in Last Wall book?

Will all the gods that have been mentioned in AP material like Rowdrosh be included? Other demon lords that are Paizo's that came out in the Book of the Damned? What about pantheons like in Last Wall book?

Every deity that got a "deity statblock" in a pre-remaster PF2 book is confirmed to be in. There's also a couple of "new for PF2", and some totally new for Pathfinder that ahve been confirmed. Anymore else is up in the air. That's still almost 200 deities minimum, which is A LOT, considering that Gods & Magic had ~140.

Gracias!

Will all the gods that have been mentioned in AP material like Rowdrosh be included? Other demon lords that are Paizo's that came out in the Book of the Damned? What about pantheons like in Last Wall book?

Not only Pantheons but also Covenants which are a way to access divine power without worshipping a god, by the sounds of it.

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

Will all the gods that have been mentioned in AP material like Rowdrosh be included? Other demon lords that are Paizo's that came out in the Book of the Damned? What about pantheons like in Last Wall book?

Not only Pantheons but also Covenants which are a way to access divine power without worshipping a god, by the sounds of it.

How theological. Covenants are different than how a witch deals with their patron?

DomHeroEllis wrote:

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

Will all the gods that have been mentioned in AP material like Rowdrosh be included? Other demon lords that are Paizo's that came out in the Book of the Damned? What about pantheons like in Last Wall book?

Not only Pantheons but also Covenants which are a way to access divine power without worshipping a god, by the sounds of it.

How theological. Covenants are different than how a witch deals with their patron?

Based on what have been revealed, it's basically a "pantheon", but the entities powering it doesn't NEED to be deities. Like you could worship an hypothetical Covenant of Magic powered by Old Man Jatembe, Baba Yaga, and Nex... xD None of those are deities, but somehow, they are powerful, and "important" enough that it just works.

Covenants are brand new to the book, they’re a lot like Pantheons, but for other entities– so the breath of the Endless Sky is a lot of minor air entities working together to grant power as if they were Gods, some also include Gods too.

Thank you for sharing this!

I really hope this book will have options for "clerics" of Razmir. Even with Archetypes arcane casters currently don't have a good way to fake divinity with their magic (short of actually getting divine magic which would rather defeat the point), even though as I understand it his clergy was primarily wizards in 1e which had some proper rules support for the ruse. Really the original Gods & Magic should have had it already but I'd rather take it late than never. Among all the other exciting things about this book I just hope the Living God gets some attention too.

I really hope this book will have options for "clerics" of Razmir. Even with Archetypes arcane casters currently don't have a good way to fake divinity with their magic (short of actually getting divine magic which would rather defeat the point), even though as I understand it his clergy was primarily wizards in 1e which had some proper rules support for the ruse. Really the original Gods & Magic should have had it already but I'd rather take it late than never. Among all the other exciting things about this book I just hope the Living God gets some attention too.

There's definitely some Razmir goodies in the book. :)

DMurnett wrote:

I really hope this book will have options for "clerics" of Razmir. Even with Archetypes arcane casters currently don't have a good way to fake divinity with their magic (short of actually getting divine magic which would rather defeat the point), even though as I understand it his clergy was primarily wizards in 1e which had some proper rules support for the ruse. Really the original Gods & Magic should have had it already but I'd rather take it late than never. Among all the other exciting things about this book I just hope the Living God gets some attention too.

There's definitely some Razmir goodies in the book. :)

Wizard school of Faking It ?