Pathfinder Adventure: The Dead God's Hand

From the department of Expectations Management. This adventure will not be out this year. It's unlikely to be out next year even.

"It's not dead, it's just five years behind schedule" is worse to me than cancelling the book.

I'm still here and I'll still buy it whenever you get the chance :) expectations have been managed!

I have a proposal. Lets call it The Dead God's Hand Core.

This will be the last book of PF2's life cycle.

This will be the last book of PF2's life cycle.

Yeah, I thought something similar: the release of this book will be akin to Groetus finally reaching the Boneyard.

I sure hope this product gets a mention at tomorrow's keynote!

I suspect with all the other changes they have mentioned this seems even less likely to see the light of day at least not without a fair amount of reworking it's start.

James Jacobs wrote:

From the department of Expectations Management. This adventure will not be out this year. It's unlikely to be out next year even.

"It's not dead, it's just five years behind schedule" is worse to me than cancelling the book.

Agreed--I'm giving up hope on this one. This was my most anticipated RPG product for a long time, so it's disappointing to say the least.

What's dead may never die.

But rises again, stronger and harder.

If not PaizoCon, then let's hope for the Gencon keynote.

This will be the last book of PF2's life cycle.

At the rate it is goibg PF5E's

Now it’ll have to be updated to Remastered rules now too

Wonder how much that changes things besides duergar related stuff

It's over, let go
nobody listens to dead gods

Hey, it's much easier than converting from PF1 to PF2, remaster or no.

And isn’t another god due to be killed soon too, maybe we’ll get The Dead God’s Foot as well

Nah, it obviously has the be the Dead God's Head.

I mean, clearly it'll be "the Dead God's Other Hand"..

Dead God's Head = Ydersius...

I mean, clearly it'll be "the Dead God's Other Hand"..

Ya know that's good question, is this the right or left hand?

Perhaps it's the gripping hand.

Perhaps it's the gripping hand.

...wouldn't that be over in Starfinder, though?

This is dumb. Why bother mentioning it if it’s not going to be released for years or maybe not at all?

This is dumb. Why bother mentioning it if it’s not going to be released for years or maybe not at all?

When it was announced, they didn't know it would be delayed. And sadly, things keep happening that stop them from putting it in active work, AND more of it need to be rewritten the longer it's delayed, so the more "time budget" it needs to come back into active work. So yeah. But Erik Mona definitely still want to release it.

This is dumb. Why bother mentioning it if it’s not going to be released for years or maybe not at all?

Also, since it has a product number and the products PZO9555 (The Fall of Plaguestone) and PZO9557 (The Slithering) definitely do exist, keeping this page saves everbody the bother of explaining what would be a gap without it.

They should let us buy an early access copy of Erik's campaign notes as they are now

Why would he want to publish that?

Why would he want to publish that?

Some people might be interested in paying for it? Video games usually sale those as a bonus. But the raw documents would probably had insights into company secrets so they would need heavy curation. So it is not probably worth it.

More that it would not be up to the professional standard Paizo values, so he would never find the profit worthwhile.

I'd rather wait til the adventure is complete than run it off of notes that aren't edited or balanced

TOZ wrote:

Why would he want to publish that?

Some people might be interested in paying for it? Video games usually sale those as a bonus. But the raw documents would probably had insights into company secrets so they would need heavy curation. So it is not probably worth it.

Looking at my own notes of "in progress writing I wanna publish", they would most probably be more "useless"/"unusable" than "full of secrets", because usually, the "secret sauce" will come last, during the polishing.

I can't believe Paizo took my $35 ;-;

They haven't charged me for this, is anyone else seeing charges for it?

Oh, I guess I'm not 100% sure they ever charged me either. I just pre-ordered it and kind of assumed at some point the money was taken like their other pre-ordered content. That might be my bad for assuming

We should be good until it is (hopefully) released and they send an order notice.

AFAIK Paizo only charges us when they ship something.

Oh, I guess I'm not 100% sure they ever charged me either. I just pre-ordered it and kind of assumed at some point the money was taken like their other pre-ordered content. That might be my bad for assuming

Paizo will NOT charge you until the order ships. Period.

Imagine if Sergeant Joe Friday had been born in the internet age. “Just the FAQs, ma’am.” :-)

What with Godsrain and all, I sure hope this product gets a mention at Friday's keynote!

What with Godsrain and all, I sure hope this product gets a mention at Friday's keynote!

Wasn’t the keynote, but during Adventure Path Retrospective panel James Jacobs did answer a question about this, won’t be out in 2024, so at least 2025, it’s still alive but the OGL debacle certainly didn’t help with it, but it’s still on the horizon luckily

So, with the new standard that stand alone adventures will be larger hardback adventures, that bodes well for the eventual release of this adventure. Just food for thought.

Perhaps this year's GenCOn will have more luck than last year's.

Perhaps this year's GenCOn will have more luck than last year's.

AFAIK, it wasn't mentioned at GenCon this year.

And I don't see what the OGL has to do with anything. All Paizo would need to do is change a few monsters around (and maybe some loot) so that there's no reference to any OGL content.

logic_poet wrote:

Perhaps this year's GenCOn will have more luck than last year's.

AFAIK, it wasn't mentioned at GenCon this year.

And I don't see what the OGL has to do with anything. All Paizo would need to do is change a few monsters around (and maybe some loot) so that there's no reference to any OGL content.

There's a lot more to changing a few monsters and loot around to remastering any 2E product. In some cases, there's not obvious choices for monster or loot swaps, or the choices that are require a large statblock that there might not be room for. We also have to sweep for outdated phrases like "attack of opportunity" or "flat-footed." And one of the trickiest things to watch out for are spells, since they can creep into a creature's stat block that otherwise would be fine to use in a remastered product.

It's easier than converting a 1st edition adventure to 2nd edition for sure.

When it happens during the development cycle (as it did to me for "Rusthenge," "Prey for Death," or all of "Curtain Call"), how it affects the time needed to develop and the difficulty depends significantly on what needs to change. For "Rusthenge" in particular, even though that ended up being an OGL adventure, we weren't sure at the time if that was gonna even be an option. We originally had a rust monster fighting the PCs on the cover, so we had to pay more money to have the artist rework the cover to replace it with a monster we invented, a cythnigot qlippoth, and then I had to go into the adventure and do lots of surgery on various encounters—not the least of which was replacing the rust monster in the fight with a variant cythnigot that required some last-minute copyfitting (this creature had a quater page footprint which meant I had to trim about 250 words from elsewhere in the adventure).

THAT ALL SAID: We haven't forgotten about Dead God's Hand, but after it getting hit by unforeseen delays (the biggest of which was, of course, the pandemic, which forced us to do a LOT of adjustments to our schedule for a LOT of reasons) a few times, we're waiting to say more until we're sure. It's not cancelled though. Stay tuned!

10-4, James.

The Azlanti Diamond is just calling out to me to be found and wielded again.

Thanks!

I get so excited every time I see this thread light up. We haven't forgotten! (But yes will be as patient as we must <3 )

Erik Mona confirmed he handed the script for this adventure in this week!

It is now with development to edit, review, coordinate art, illustrations and the cover, and it will soon be put on the schedule!

I am so happy!

Erik Mona confirmed he handed the script for this adventure in this week!

It is now with development to edit, review, coordinate art, illustrations and the cover, and it will soon be put on the schedule!

I am so happy!

I was not aware of that. That is good news. Is there anywhere I can read more about Erik Mona talking about this.

Erik Mona confirmed he handed the script for this adventure in this week!

It is now with development to edit, review, coordinate art, illustrations and the cover, and it will soon be put on the schedule!

I am so happy!

And in fact this is what I've been developing for the past week or two. Was wary about mentioning this to manage expectations is all.

It's been on the schedule in one way or another since the start, years ago. We don't share our internal schedules, though, but things are for sure moving on this one. Hopefully we'll have more info to share on it soon, so stay tuned!