Pathfinder Adventure Path #128: Songbird, Scion, Saboteur (War for the Crown 2 of 6)

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Worn With Woe I Be

The county of Meratt is Taldor in a microcosm: a once-glorious land left to decay by negligent nobles. But to help secure Princess Eutropia's bid for the throne, bold adventurers must now infiltrate her ancestral homeland and overthrow the corrupt Count Lotheed from within, gaining allies and solving problems left to fester far too long. Can they play idle noble by day and hero by night well enough to reverse the county's fortunes, or will the weight of history's sins be too crushing a burden?

This volume of Pathfinder Adventure Path continues the War for the Crown Adventure Path and includes:

  • "Songbird, Scion, Saboteur," a Pathfinder adventure for 4th-level characters, by Crystal Frasier and Richard Pett.
  • A gazetteer of the county of Meratt, a once-glorious country landscape rotting from within, by Amanda Hamon Kunz.
  • A cult of personality subsystem so PCs can cultivate their public images and put their renown to work for their benefit, by Linda Zayas-Palmer.
  • New rules for relics: magic items empowered by powerful historical events and improved by feeding their purpose, by Logan Bonner.
  • A bestiary of monsters ranging from the spell-retrieving galluvix to the eyeball-plucking lamp blighter, by Tim Akers, Brian Duckwitz, Troy Lavallee, and Patchen Mortimer.

ISBN-13: 978-1-64078-025-5

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Good follow up to Crownfall

3/5

I really wanted to like this chapter more than I do. There's tonnes of potential, and some really cool ideas. It feels though like the writers tried to cram just a little bit too much into it, and rushed the process as well. Too much content, and not enough info on how to manage it.

With the addition of cult of personality rules, rebuilding tasks, relic triumphs, and possibly including more robust rules from Ultimate Intrigue, it's going to get complicated really quickly. I was hoping for some suggestions on tying all the new rule systems together -- especially a suggested timeline with cult of personality, gaining influence and rebuilding potentially all in play at the same time. Additionally, the influence rules include waning influence if attempts aren't made each week. With travel being as much as two days each way to visit neighbouring nobles, it really cuts into the time the PCs have for the other cool parts of the adventure.

I would have given it four stars, but this chapter also has many more grammatical/proofing errors than is usual for a Paizo product.


Okay, I give in

5/5

This book broke my "Never review any adventure I haven't run first" rule :'D This book has too many things I like. Good foreshadowing, good intrigue, non lethal options, good relevant choices to pick from, potential to appease my guilty pleasure for sappy romances, mixture of horror and comedy(true love's kiss yo and the picture for "picnic") and management/building elements.

Majority of this book is players building up loyalty and resources until they can take over the manor, but if players do REALLY good job at it, they can do so without blood being shed at all :D You have no idea how I love it when book's main opponent can be taken down by convincing they were wrong and they should surrender.

Anyhoo, get this book if you:
1) Love good intrigue
2) Love interesting monsters and situations
3) Love good foreshadowing and mysteries
4) Wanted to see good moral choices
5) Love books that encourage creative solutions
6) Like to see Law vs Chaos dynamic being shown
7) Have guilty pleasure for romances and are glad when writer leaves option open for them
8) Love it when work shows multiple different styles of tone.
9) Have ever been wanted NPC give you "Okay, here is three doses of memory erasing poison if you f&+% things up roleplaying wise" style get out of jail card when you put foot into your mouth :D

If you want purely action and less roleplaying, I guess this isn't really for you?


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Silver Crusade

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I guess it's Alain
*shades*
getting cocky again.
*exits stage left*
YEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!


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In concluding the adventure, one of the possible rewards is a cloak of protection +2. I suppose it's meant to be a cloak of resistance, but it could also be a ring of protection in cloak form.

Also

Spoiler:
the unique male ettercap sorcerer's before combat section says he uses a pause in conversation to cast mage armor with silent spell. Mage armor would still have somatic components, and he doesn't have any of the feats that allow to conceal spellcasting, so I don't think he should have a freebie spell like that.


Unusually, I'm very excited for the rules bits in the back. Can't wait for the cult of personality system. Relics is something I've been doing for ages - I look forward to seeing how it's supposed to be done! :)


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Amaranthine Witch wrote:
Also the unique male ettercap sorcerer's before combat section says he uses a pause in conversation to cast mage armor with silent spell. Mage armor would still have somatic components, and he doesn't have any of the feats that allow to conceal spellcasting, so I don't think he should have a freebie spell like that.

Ignore this, he's on the ceiling and uses ventriloquism. That's what I get for reading the statblocks and looking at images instead of reading all the adventure. Although that sparks a question. If he is on a web on the ceiling, in plain view, wouldn't he be spotted fairly easily?


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CorvusMask wrote:
Hmm? She doesn't look that old in the cover even with that hairstyle.

Maybe it's the angle of the face on the cover, although the illustration on page 75 doesn't do her any favors, either.

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The Eutropia art and age comments are kind of weird. But I'll add this. As a person who's spent a fair amount of time serving alcohol, it's harder to peg a person's age by their appearance than most people think. Could Eutropia be in her late 30's (Which I think is correct?) absolutely. Would I card her? You betcha.

Yeah, no seriously, don't ever f~%@ with peacocks.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Thank you Skeld! One more question: what's the relic system like?

Sorry; I've been swamped at work and home the last couple days. :| I think others have been answering questions though.

-Skeld

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magnuskn wrote:

As I said, maybe it's the angle of the face for me.

It must be something, I don't see anything wrong with her art.

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CorvusMask wrote:

Finished skimming, saw the Galluvix and that you can have it as improved familiar

I take my rating back, this AP is now THE best AP that has ever existed and will ever exist. It transcends the rating system, ascending beyond realms mortal can understand

But if you force me to put it in stars, 11/5 stars

If you enjoy a product, I strongly recommend leaving a review to tell everyone about the elements you liked, to help them decide if it's for them

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Crystal Frasier wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:

Finished skimming, saw the Galluvix and that you can have it as improved familiar

I take my rating back, this AP is now THE best AP that has ever existed and will ever exist. It transcends the rating system, ascending beyond realms mortal can understand

But if you force me to put it in stars, 11/5 stars

If you enjoy a product, I strongly recommend leaving a review to tell everyone about the elements you liked, to help them decide if it's for them

B-b-but I already did that :'D I don't think I'm allowed to do second one!

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REVUE INCOMING once I get to read it in full.

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Removed some posts.


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On Eutropia's age: she was born one year before her brother Carrius II (Crownfall, p.55), who was "still-teenage" when he died (ibid., p.5), so he was probably around 18–19 then. Carrius died 20 years ago (p.20). Adding this all up results in Eutropia indeed being around 39–40.

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Zaister wrote:
On Eutropia's age: she was born one year before her brother Carrius II (Crownfall, p.55), who was "still-teenage" when he died (ibid., p.5), so he was probably around 18–19 then. Carrius died 20 years ago (p.20). Adding this all up results in Eutropia indeed being around 39–40.

Unless Carrius was 13!

Or maybe 12, and he just called himself a teenager, because he's totally very mature for his age!


Skeld wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Thank you Skeld! One more question: what's the relic system like?

Sorry; I've been swamped at work and home the last couple days. :| I think others have been answering questions though.

-Skeld

Yes but so far you're the only one answering MY questions. :P :)

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Is there any internal art in this for either High Strategos Maxillar Pythareus, or Baron Nicolaus Okerra? Both are influenceable figures in book 1, yet don't have art. Need to decide whether to wait for their correct portrait, or find something to represent them.


Baron Nicolaus Okerra has an entry on the NPC gallery so he has a full body portrait, although I don't know if it's the green pants or the excessive armor but there's something that bothers me about it from the waist down.


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Zaister wrote:
On Eutropia's age: she was born one year before her brother Carrius II (Crownfall, p.55), who was "still-teenage" when he died (ibid., p.5), so he was probably around 18–19 then. Carrius died 20 years ago (p.20). Adding this all up results in Eutropia indeed being around 39–40.

That would make more sense and would actually have it be the art in the first module which made look way younger than her actual age. In that piece of art I would have pegged her as "mid-twenties".

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Amaranthine Witch wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Haven't you noticed? NO ONE ever looks up.

Also, I am jealous, my copy still hasn't shipped yet, so no PDF for me XD


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CorvusMask wrote:

Finished skimming, saw the Galluvix and that you can have it as improved familiar

I take my rating back, this AP is now THE best AP that has ever existed and will ever exist. It transcends the rating system, ascending beyond realms mortal can understand

But if you force me to put it in stars, 11/5 stars

Man. Might have to pick this one up too!


Eru the One wrote:
Both downloads interactive maps are just the first page for me.

The interactive map file for 128 also has just the cover page for me. Does anyone else have this issue?


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ericthecleric wrote:
Eru the One wrote:
Both downloads interactive maps are just the first page for me.
The interactive map file for 128 also has just the cover page for me. Does anyone else have this issue?

Yeah, I don't know who to send word to about this, but there are a number of us—I would suspect all—with this problem.


Cheers, Feros. Hopefully they'll see it sooner rather than later! :)

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Feros wrote:
ericthecleric wrote:
Eru the One wrote:
Both downloads interactive maps are just the first page for me.
The interactive map file for 128 also has just the cover page for me. Does anyone else have this issue?
Yeah, I don't know who to send word to about this, but there are a number of us—I would suspect all—with this problem.

The appropriate people have been notified and we're working to fix the problem now


Cheers, Crystal! :)

Liberty's Edge

Crystal Frasier wrote:
Feros wrote:
ericthecleric wrote:
Eru the One wrote:
Both downloads interactive maps are just the first page for me.
The interactive map file for 128 also has just the cover page for me. Does anyone else have this issue?
Yeah, I don't know who to send word to about this, but there are a number of us—I would suspect all—with this problem.
The appropriate people have been notified and we're working to fix the problem now

I posted about this as well in the AP forum in a new thread before I saw this post. My bad.


So...no one has ANYTHING about the relics system?! Or even just a list of relics?

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
So...no one has ANYTHING about the relics system?! Or even just a list of relics?

I can say that they are really cool and you don't want to spoil them to players xD


*grumps* Thanks Corvus.


My account has been saying "Pending" for a week however my credit card has been charged and still no access to the PDF. Anyone else had this happen to them?

Silver Crusade

Did you have one of the comics in your sidecart? It apparently made things a lil wonky this time, I'd give CS a heads-up ^w^


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The Painted Oryx wrote:
My account has been saying "Pending" for a week however my credit card has been charged and still no access to the PDF. Anyone else had this happen to them?

When they do a subscription run they run a check at the beginning (a little over a week ago) which makes sure they have an address and a valid payment method. That should have sent you a pre-shipping email, moved the item to "pending" and it should have put a temporary hold on your bank account.

That hold isn't really a transfer of money, it's the bank's system checking that you have sufficient funds and setting them aside for a looming transaction from Paizo. It should expire a few days later if Paizo haven't got to you in the shipping queue by then. Unfortunately, some banks take quite some time to reverse an open hold of funds and many don't distinguish on the user's end between actual charges and temporary charges (they look the same on my online banking, for example - I regularly show a charge on my credit card which mysteriously disappears three days later).

Long story short, the first email and first activity on your credit card isn't the trigger you should look out for. (We generally all get that quite early each month). The access to PDF occurs with the second email which is when the charge is finalised, the shipping label is printed and your stuff is picked from the shelves and bundled into boxes.

That's not to say there hasn't been a problem - they do crop up from time to time. However, if you're a new subcriber it's a little odd the first few times it happens. Now I don't get stressed about it until the end of the shipping window each month which seems to be Friday March 23rd.

If you want Customer Service to look into your shipment specifically (they're always happy to do that) you should call them on (425) 250-0800, email them at customer.service@paizo.com or start a new thread in the customer service forum.


Still waiting on mine as well (payment issues, bleh), but it should ship in the next two days, and I know it will be worth the wait :)

Does anyone have any opinions on the Cult of Personality-rules yet, though? Are they good or great?

Dark Archive

Hmm, I don't really have strong opinion on them, they remind me of militia/rebellion rules just because of the whole "send agents on missions" thing, but I haven't studied them in depth yet.

Silver Crusade

I didn’t hate the cult of personality subsystem—-it too reminded me of a simplified rebellion subsystem, just with individual rather than group decisions. Given my group’s level of buy-in to the rebellion subsystem (aka none), I have a hard time seeing myself using these. Which I’m a little disappointed about.


The "County of Meratt Rumors" are supposed to be partially true. Okerra's is particularly nasty for a LN traditionalist, and points to area E for more information, but area E has nothing on it.

The three statblocks for the Beggarwood come from the Villain Codex, which as far as I know, is not on any of the srds, official or otherwise.

In the County of Meratt article, it makes it seem that the Beggarwood and the Lionsmane forest are one and the same, but the map puts them at opposite corners of the county and the adventure itself gives the official name of the Beggarwood as Bugbear Wood.

Don't get me wrong, this is one of my favorite Adventure Path installments ever, which is why I think the little things bother me more.


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Soooooo... did anyone else notice that the dates of Beldam I's reign on the back cover contradict Taldor, the First Empire? The former lists 4077, the latter 4082. Which is correct?

(Also, it lists Beldam's birth as being in 4429, but that is pretty clearly supposed to be 4029)


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CorvusMask wrote:

Finished skimming, saw the Galluvix and that you can have it as improved familiar

I take my rating back, this AP is now THE best AP that has ever existed and will ever exist. It transcends the rating system, ascending beyond realms mortal can understand

But if you force me to put it in stars, 11/5 stars

If you enjoy a product, I strongly recommend leaving a review to tell everyone about the elements you liked, to help them decide if it's for them

I skimmed the book very briefly, saw the gallivix, showed it to my pathfinder group, and the discussion has already been worth the price of admission. Particularly with my fox loving chicken raising friend.

Grand Lodge

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Loving this book on first skim; I've pretty much read through the book but haven't delved too deep into the subsystem presented in the Agents of Change section.

There's a lot to like here. I've always been a fan of games like the Telltale games and Mass Effect, so seeing choices like the one between the major CN or LN NPCs is quite appealing. The "Judging Crimes" events have several different ways they can go, with some options essentially being beneficial in-game, but having unsatisfactory ethical conclusions; it'll be interesting to see how players react to some of the events where the townfolk are essentially trying to pressure them into killing or banishing people who are actually innocent.

I like that a lot of combat encounters can be avoided outright with proper social grace. It fits the theme of the AP, being more cloak and less dagger, but it looks like there's certainly enough combat to satiate players who appreciate the general strategy that comes with that aspect of the game. Good balance from what I'm seeing.

I've always loved scaling items (Bladebound Magus 4 lyfe!) and think the Relic system is great. The Triumphs feel a bit like Mythic Tiers, and I think it'll be fun for players to see their items suddenly become more powerful as they help Taldor shed some of its stagnation.

On the subject of Mythic, the second section of the book reminds me a bit of Book 4 of Wrath of the Righteous, insofar as it requires PCs to gain reputation through a relatively non-linear sandbox-y manner. It's sort of a collection of short subquests that I think will break up well into sessions of play.

Honestly, just from reading the first two books in this AP it's rapidly becoming one of the APs I'm most excited to run. This may well be the strongest start for an AP for my own personal tastes.

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I did like the open travel aspect of this one.

Also,

Spoiler:
the art of Alain and Quinn facing off with the sahkil is creepily superb! Kudos to the artist.


I will admit, I'm wondering about one aspect regarding a certain society and some of their members; But I figure it will be answered in forthcoming books.

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Any word on the corrected interactive maps file, it's been more than two weeks? Ta.

Scarab Sages

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Didn't see it in any of the posts so far...and maybe I am not as adept as others with adobe and other editing tools...but I have noticed on the Taldor map in the inside cover that when you try to copy the succession loyalties map it doesn't bring the loyalties "bubbles"...just the base map.

Any way that these can be either embedded or easily taken out so that we can hand them over to the PC's? I know of one way to do it (requires using the "take a snapshot" in adobe, but is messy), it is just not easily done--and often makes illegible wording.

Weirdly, I would almost want to have the ability to just get the succession loyalty "bubbles" as pictures. That way (using things like transparencies) I can have a flip booklet of how the loyalties shift through the books. That is probably wishful thinking though :-)


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xobmaps wrote:
Crystal Frasier wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:

Finished skimming, saw the Galluvix and that you can have it as improved familiar

I take my rating back, this AP is now THE best AP that has ever existed and will ever exist. It transcends the rating system, ascending beyond realms mortal can understand

But if you force me to put it in stars, 11/5 stars

If you enjoy a product, I strongly recommend leaving a review to tell everyone about the elements you liked, to help them decide if it's for them
I skimmed the book very briefly, saw the gallivix, showed it to my pathfinder group, and the discussion has already been worth the price of admission. Particularly with my fox loving chicken raising friend.

I'm thrilled your group liked (or at least got discussion mileage out of) the galluvix! For what it's worth, it was inspired by a rogue taxidermy exhibition I attended. Definitely let me know if any of your friends are persuaded to adopt one as a familiar...


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CorvusMask wrote:

Finished skimming, saw the Galluvix and that you can have it as improved familiar

I take my rating back, this AP is now THE best AP that has ever existed and will ever exist. It transcends the rating system, ascending beyond realms mortal can understand

But if you force me to put it in stars, 11/5 stars

I meant to reply to this *weeks* ago, but I hadn't gotten my copy of #128 yet and didn't want to write till I'd seen the finished product. I'm delighted the galluvix delighted you!


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Hey, just wanted to ask if there's any ETA on the fixed Maps? I tried re-downloading and it's still just the cover.

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