Pathfinder Campaign Setting: The First World, Realm of the Fey (PFRPG)

I think we are being asked not to give too many details, not to give no information at all. Going with James Sutter's example, saying that the Green Mother is one of the Eldest deities detailed in this book is fine, but saying exactly what her obedience is and the associated boons granted is too much.

So, to bring the discussion back on topic -- I think Magdh may steal some worshipers from Irori. The reason why will be evident when you read about her in this book.

Magdh is going to steal worshippers from everybody. The initial boon is worth about two feats all by itself, and that's before you hit higher level perks.

David knott 242 wrote:

I think we are being asked not to give too many details, not to give no information at all. Going with James Sutter's example, saying that the Green Mother is one of the Eldest deities detailed in this book is fine, but saying exactly what her obedience is and the associated boons granted is too much.

So, to bring the discussion back on topic -- I think Magdh may steal some worshipers from Irori. The reason why will be evident when you read about her in this book.

Magdh is going to steal worshippers from everybody. The initial boon is worth about two feats all by itself, and that's before you hit higher level perks.

My temptation to ask for too many details is high. But it will pass. Vague details. What does it do without giving away all of it?

Actually. And be even vaguer with this? Will anybody steal worshipers from Desna maybe?

Shyka comes closest to competing with Desna, going by the criteria I used for Magdh vs. Irori.

Oh, huh. Wasn't aware of the Irori thing. Magdh's boon is "worth two feats" where the feat in question isn't one that people generally take. So it's pretty good, but probably not as broken as I thought it was.

Art of the Eldest is really cool, and helpful for getting a sense of them. The Lantern King is golden (I'd imagined blue) with a crown made from rings of glowing runes. Imbex is/are huge.

Ng's obedience is pretty good. Note that the base benefit includes poison and disease.

Can anyone spoil to me all the artworks in this book? What monsters have artwork in this book? (so don't the bestiary, just the other artwork in this book, so heroes fighting against alraune maybe? or the Bandersnatch?) Which monsters have artwork?

Thanks for sharing.

Does the Remacera have a hookah?

Little late to the party here, but you might should check out the Occult Bestiary - I seem to recall a fey monster that will satisfy your desires. ^_^

Also, some of the obedience benefits and boons granted by the Eldest are obscene.

I'll have to reference this if I ever get to write some boons of my own. ^_^

Rysky wrote:

Does the Remacera have a hookah?

Little late to the party here, but you might should check out the Occult Bestiary - I seem to recall a fey monster that will satisfy your desires. ^_^

Aha! Thankies!

Also, some of the obedience benefits and boons granted by the Eldest are obscene.

I'll have to reference this if I ever get to write some boons of my own. ^_^

*nods*

They are pretty badass.

A lot of interesting info in this one. But is me or are the dead or missing eldest that are mentioned sounds more interesting then most(if not all) of the current ones.

A lot of interesting info in this one. But is me or are the dead or missing eldest that are mentioned sounds more interesting then most(if not all) of the current ones.

Those usually are.

ACAVNA!!!! NEVER FORGET!

ACAVNA!!!! NEVER FORGET!

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Might I ask if Baba Yaga's dealings with the Firt World are mentioned?

Might I ask if Baba Yaga's dealings with the Firt World are mentioned?

There's some mention of both her interactions with other denizens and of her Thrice-Tenth Kingdom. ^_^

Hmm, splendid! Thanks!

I HAZ IT! And now, I sleep.

So, to bring the discussion back on topic -- I think Magdh may steal some worshipers from Irori. The reason why will be evident when you read about her in this book.

Um. Yeah. The obedience benefit is amazing, but the second boon is kind of indefensible. A permanent 9th level spell effect? The third boon is notably weaker (1/day use of one of the more overpowered 8th level spells), which is also the case with Shyka.

I like seeing useful, powerful, and flavorful obedience boons, but I'm self aware enough to know that maybe these aren't balanced. I guess the obedience section has some fluff sort of nodding at the fact these are better than what standard gods tend to offer, with the option that you might get dumped by your patron on a whim.

The obedience benefit does not help with Contact Other Plane -- that isn't an intelligence based SKILL CHECK.

But if you are using the optional rule about overclocking spells from Pathfinder Unchained -- you definitely want to worship Magdh.

The obedience benefit does not help with Contact Other Plane -- that isn't an intelligence based SKILL CHECK.

Oops, just noticed on a second pass and edited that bit. On a first quick skim I thought it was all intelligence checks, including both that and things like escaping a Maze. All skills is still pretty amazing, and that second boon is cray.

I've never been completely convinced that foresight was equal to other ninth-level spells anyway... it's a minor defensive bonus (of an admittedly rare type) and a slightly fancier uncanny dodge.

The initial obedience benefit is still ridiculous, though, even before adding later boons in. ^_^

Whether foresight is a 9th level spell depends on how you interpret the line "Once foresight is cast, you receive instantaneous warnings of impending danger or harm to the subject of the spell.." If this means the GM gives you advice and warnings before you take an action, it's a 9th level spell. If it's the fluff behind the mechanical benefits that you get through this Magdh boon, yeah, probably not.

Lots of threads arguing the correct interpretation all over the internet. If I were rewriting the spell it would give you full knowledge of the attack roll about to hit you or the DC and effects of the spell you're trying to save against, so that you know whether to burn an appropriate immediate action (if any are available) to avoid the effect.

The Shyka last boon is interesting to me in its weakness. I expected Time Stop, I did not expect a 1 round limitation but also the ability to gift it to an ally. There's a demonic boon that grants Time Stop, and the Iron Gods version of a Brigh obedience gave it, but they heavily nerfed that in the Inner Sea Faiths write up.

The power of obediences is the least consistent rules element in Pathfinder, even wacky feats and spells in the Player Companion line don't really compare.

I note that in Black Markets Aggys, the Crone in the Cart of the Witchmarket, was listed as a LE female green hag witch 13. In this book she's a N female unique norn. Pretty big difference.

I note that in Black Markets Aggys, the Crone in the Cart of the Witchmarket, was listed as a LE female green hag witch 13. In this book she's a N female unique norn. Pretty big difference.

Whoops! That was news to me.

In any case, I'm going to say that the hag passing herself off as Aggys in Black Markets is an imposter, trading on Aggys' reputation. :)

She's more interesting your way. The witchmarket stat block in Black Markets was very minimal to just give economic game stats and some population numbers, it's great to have a more detailed write up with good examples of actual shops/services there.

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I note that in Black Markets Aggys, the Crone in the Cart of the Witchmarket, was listed as a LE female green hag witch 13. In this book she's a N female unique norn. Pretty big difference.

Whoops! That was news to me.

In any case, I'm going to say that the hag passing herself off as Aggys in Black Markets is an imposter, trading on Aggys' reputation. :)

It is the Witchmarket... maybe she has a Dr. Jekyll & Ms. Hyde going on? (NornAggys might not even be aware of HagAggys.)

The Green Mother's obedience is quite spectacular.

So, the Lost Prince is basically Dream of the Endless.

Cool.

Flametongue Forest is like the planet at the end of the Iain M. Banks novel Player of Games.

Having just read Horror Realms, I'd like to ask what if anything does this book say about 'the Quickening'. Does it actually transform people that visit it, and if so, how badly can they be transformed?

I know that only hints can be provided here, but even those would be a help.

For that matter does the book provide any more 'Echoes of the First World', variant haunts?

There is 1-3 paragraphs of description, no mechanics. The description of what it does to visitors is entirely congruent with the haunt in Horror Realms but with some aesthetic descriptions to accompany a couple of possible beneficial mutations.

Got the chance to flip through it yesterday evening. All I can say is...

GERBIE!!!!

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Got the chance to flip through it yesterday evening. All I can say is...

GERBIE!!!!

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

I KNOW, RIGHT?!

FiddlersGreen wrote:

Got the chance to flip through it yesterday evening. All I can say is...

GERBIE!!!!

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

I KNOW, RIGHT?!

I'm so glad that people appreciate the gerbie. :D

There is 1-3 paragraphs of description, no mechanics. The description of what it does to visitors is entirely congruent with the haunt in Horror Realms but with some aesthetic descriptions to accompany a couple of possible beneficial mutations.

Thanks. I am looking forward more and more to getting this one.

It's my favorite campaign setting ever, and possibly my favorite book. You'll like it.

Having just read Horror Realms, I'd like to ask what if anything does this book say about 'the Quickening'.

There can be only one.

I like the Gerbie as well.

I just want to say that I've never had any interest in either Fey or the First World, but I have had a great time reading this book.

It's my favorite campaign setting ever, and possibly my favorite book. You'll like it.

Wow, high praise! Thank you! :D

I just want to say that I've never had any interest in either Fey or the First World, but I have had a great time reading this book.

Victory!

Amazing book. Love the unusual format too. Evokes a certain feeling of ancient yet fancy mystery. I love the old fashioned parchment look you guys gave for the gnome backstory!

(already poached the bit about scar breach, artifacts and singularities in third person mode from an NPC's point of view in my homecampaign... in which Gastidem - the crazy gnome from Temple of Empyreal Enlightenment - is in fact a major NPC reformed (mostly) Daggermark Poisoner... :) )

Fantastic book.
My cleric of Count Ranalc is happy that his romantic beliefs about his god's exile are not necessarily wrong. And he gains a cool PrC option.
I am amazed by the wealth of fascinating lore, beings, and locations, the impact of a nearly-deathless existence on perspectives and attitudes, and the fact that Ng has a Stargate.

I just want to say that I've never had any interest in either Fey or the First World, but I have had a great time reading this book.

I'll beat you on that one.....I have great interest in the Fey and First World....and high expectations to live up to as a result...

Just read the reviews—thanks so much, everybody! I'm deeply gratified that folks are enjoying the book. :D

You sir, are brilliant. Thank you for your efforts on this fine work!

Hey everybody! I'm really glad folks are excited about the book. I'm just as excited to finally have it out in the world. :)

One request: In the future, please don't post your own previews from our books on the boards. We try really hard to make our books the sort of things you'd buy even if you already knew every detail from them, but the truth is that the excitement of the unknown is part of what drives our sales. We're selling you the answers to things like "What's the Green Mother's obedience? What's the secret history of the gnomes?" And if folks get a bunch of that on the messageboards, it can dampen the excitement, the same way reading a plot synopsis on wikipedia might dampen your excitement to see a movie. And that excitement translated into sales is what keeps us at Paizo eating food, sleeping indoors, and maintaining messageboard servers. :)

Anyway, no harm, no foul, I just wanted to put that perspective out there. Thanks again, everyone!

I want to ask you if a subscriber may now post NOTHING AT ALL from a book until it is out OR only limit her-/himself to VERY VAGUE descriptions.

The map-packs for example now show all 18 tiles instead of only 2 or 4 and that has been seen as very positive and led me (and others) to buy/order some that i would not have otherwise.

The same is the case for me if i ask "Skeld" if something useful for a say rogue or wizard is in a book and he says "yes, some neat new feats and spells", i know it is of interest to me.

It would be great if you could answer this or maybe write a short blog about it.

Thank you! :-)

I didn't take James to be requesting people not answer general questions about the book's contents (I think it's fine to say something like "there's two archetypes and a bunch of feats for rogues").

I think the point was more not to go into too many of the gory details (like not: "Here's a cut and paste of all the feats a rogue might be interested in").

I thought it was more a question of degree.

I didn't take James to be requesting people not answer general questions about the book's contents (I think it's fine to say something like "there's two archetypes and a bunch of feats for rogues").

I think the point was more not to go into too many of the gory details (like not: "Here's a cut and paste of all the feats a rogue might be interested in").

This is my understanding as well. So when I get my copy, I might say "the angelfire apostle is good if you like Sarenrae's themes and want more channeling/greater versatility when channeling*"... but not a bulleted list of what it grants and replaces. (Things were getting kind of ridiculous there for a while.)

*Just an example; I don't actually know what it does yet.

Steve Geddes wrote:

I didn't take James to be requesting people not answer general questions about the book's contents (I think it's fine to say something like "there's two archetypes and a bunch of feats for rogues").

I think the point was more not to go into too many of the gory details (like not: "Here's a cut and paste of all the feats a rogue might be interested in").

This is my understanding as well. So when I get my copy, I might say "the angelfire apostle is good if you like Sarenrae's themes and want more channeling/greater versatility when channeling*"... but not a bulleted list of what it grants and replaces. (Things were getting kind of ridiculous there for a while.)

*Just an example; I don't actually know what it does yet.

Right.

I got my shipping email a little over an hour ago, but I'm not going to be discussing the products. I'm not here to cause Paizo any problems or step on their toes with regard to sharing what's in their books. There have been a few posts like the ones above asking me/us to curtail our sharing and so I'm going to do as I've been asked.

-Skeld

He took it the first way.