Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Gods (PFRPG) Hardcover

The street date is today, but whether an individual retailer (online or brick & mortar) has received their stock of the book from their distributor isn't something we have any control over. If you ordered it from Amazon, it's not uncommon for them to release our books after the street date to varying degrees of lateness.

Thanks, I know Paizo has no control over it. Just wondering. If I don't see any change in order in next day or so I'll give them a call.

Is the street date today? I ordered this and some other stuff at a place online. But the whole order won't ship until this is in. Its showing avaible on other sites, just not the one I ordered from.

Depending on the size of the retailer in question, they may just get deliveries a couple of times a month with their distributor. Especially for those that carry many other things and for whom RPGs are a sideline through separate distributor.

A little disappointed that so much of the art is recycle...but other than that it's looking good.

A little disappointed that so much of the art is recycle...but other than that it's looking good.

Yeah, but the new art is just that awesome that it totally makes up for it. Besides, the recycled art is some of the best (I'm looking at you, Nethys).

Any particular reason the PDF is $28 instead of $10 like the other hardcovers?

Any particular reason the PDF is $28 instead of $10 like the other hardcovers?

Because Inner Sea Gods follows the rule for general PDF pricing, not the exceptions.

The PDFs are generally priced at 70% of the MSRP, except for the RPG line (CRB, Bestiaries, Ultimate *, etc.), which are priced at $10 to keep the barrier of entry into the game low (plus all those rules are available for free in the SRD, so pricing the PDF high doesn't make sense).

The only exception to the exception that I'm aware of is the Inner Sea Guide, which is a Campaign Setting book, but is priced at $10 to keep barrier of entry in to the setting low.

Inner Sea Gods doesn't appear to be considered necessary to enjoy or familiarize with other setting material like the Inner Sea Guide.

-Skeld

A little disappointed that so much of the art is recycle...but other than that it's looking good.

That's a shame. Part of the reason I was going to buy it was for the new art. Since I already have all the articles from the APs and both the art and the content is mostly rehashed there doesn't seem much point buying it.

A little disappointed that so much of the art is recycle...but other than that it's looking good.

We definitely did pick up many of the more awesome pieces from relevant APs—if we were happy with the look of this priest or that monster I didn't think it made sense to change it.

As a data point, though, we ordered more than 250 new pieces of art for this book.

godsDMit wrote:

Any particular reason the PDF is $28 instead of $10 like the other hardcovers?

Because Inner Sea Gods follows the rule for general PDF pricing, not the exceptions.

The PDFs are generally priced at 70% of the MSRP, except for the RPG line (CRB, Bestiaries, Ultimate *, etc.), which are priced at $10 to keep the barrier of entry into the game low (plus all those rules are available for free in the SRD, so pricing the PDF high doesn't make sense).

The only exception to the exception that I'm aware of is the Inner Sea Guide, which is a Campaign Setting book, but is priced at $10 to keep barrier of entry in to the setting low.

Inner Sea Gods doesn't appear to be considered necessary to enjoy or familiarize with other setting material like the Inner Sea Guide.

-Skeld

Quite true, but sadly my PDF buying guide puts me at a mostly hard limit of $20 for a PDF. I'll just have to watch for a sale or wait until next years Christmas discount.

nighttree wrote:

A little disappointed that so much of the art is recycle...but other than that it's looking good.

That's a shame. Part of the reason I was going to buy it was for the new art. Since I already have all the articles from the APs and both the art and the content is mostly rehashed there doesn't seem much point buying it.

Just a minor point of the recycled art...all the Core 20 gods did (I believe) get new art. I believe also they recycled the art of all the gods from the AP articles. Also the art that starts each chapter is really great.

As to the reprint of the articles...I will say there is something new for every deity in background...also there are those obedience and boons. There is plenty of new material...and the reprinted stuff is either updated or it is nice to have in one place.

Any way we can get a high resolution copy of the new Holy Symbol for Desna? It's gorgeous and I really want to get it as a tattoo, just want a little bigger picture to take in.

As to the reprint of the articles...I will say there is something new for every deity in background...also there are those obedience and boons. There is plenty of new material...and the reprinted stuff is either updated or it is nice to have in one place.

True story.

I also think that were one to actually take on of the old articles and compare it to the new articles they'll see that these are much, much more than just "reprints." (Especially in the cases of some of the ones more than a half decade old.)

godsDMit wrote:

Any particular reason the PDF is $28 instead of $10 like the other hardcovers?

Because Inner Sea Gods follows the rule for general PDF pricing, not the exceptions.

The PDFs are generally priced at 70% of the MSRP, except for the RPG line (CRB, Bestiaries, Ultimate *, etc.), which are priced at $10 to keep the barrier of entry into the game low (plus all those rules are available for free in the SRD, so pricing the PDF high doesn't make sense).

The only exception to the exception that I'm aware of is the Inner Sea Guide, which is a Campaign Setting book, but is priced at $10 to keep barrier of entry in to the setting low.

Inner Sea Gods doesn't appear to be considered necessary to enjoy or familiarize with other setting material like the Inner Sea Guide.

-Skeld

All true or truth adjacent.

Jeven wrote:

nighttree wrote:

A little disappointed that so much of the art is recycle...but other than that it's looking good.

That's a shame. Part of the reason I was going to buy it was for the new art. Since I already have all the articles from the APs and both the art and the content is mostly rehashed there doesn't seem much point buying it.

Just a minor point of the recycled art...all the Core 20 gods did (I believe) get new art. I believe also they recycled the art of all the gods from the AP articles. Also the art that starts each chapter is really great.

Correction: only 5 deities got new full-body artworks (Adabar, Cayden, Gozreh, Inori and Torag); the rest all has their Gods & Magic artworks. Please note that I'm not talking about the deities' artworks on every 2nd page of their sections in Chapter 1, but about their artworks at each 2nd-to-last page.

Same goes with the chapter artworks which to me are brand new. Maybe they were used elsewhere prior to this book.

Is there a reason why some of Gods & Magic artworks were used? Did the team ran out of time and budget?

I personally would have loved new poses, such as Calistria sitting sideways on the back of a large wasp, arms crossed with a small wasp on her shoulder, Erastil on a rocky cliff, one leg up on a rock like a step, looking afar with his bow on his back, Iomedae kneeling with her shield in her back, holding her sword, tip toward the ground looking up, as if addressing a king, Shelyn leaned sideways on a curved Olympian-styled bench, resting her head cupped in one hand and holding a dove with a rainbowed tail with her finger on her other hand, or Zon-Kuthon in a battle stance, wildly swining his chains and smiling with madness.

Those are just a wishlist, but updated artworks would have been nice, as I said earlier.

Is there a reason why some of Gods & Magic artworks were used? Did the team ran out of time and budget?

We definitely did pick up many of the more awesome pieces from relevant APs—if we were happy with the look of this priest or that monster I didn't think it made sense to change it.

JiCi, art is expensive. All budgets are finite, so of course it 'ran out'. That doesn't mean it was a mark of desperation: Paizo plans how much art and text they need to order for each book. It they HAD ordered new art for the things you would have liked, then some other new piece of art would have had to go away, leading to either recycling different art (and thus leading to the same complaints) or just having less art overall (making the book less awesome and leading to different complaints.)

JiCi wrote:

Is there a reason why some of Gods & Magic artworks were used? Did the team ran out of time and budget?

F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

We definitely did pick up many of the more awesome pieces from relevant APs—if we were happy with the look of this priest or that monster I didn't think it made sense to change it.

JiCi, art is expensive. All budgets are finite, so of course it 'ran out'. That doesn't mean it was a mark of desperation: Paizo plans how much art and text they need to order for each book. It they HAD ordered new art for the things you would have liked, then some other new piece of art would have had to go away, leading to either recycling different art (and thus leading to the same complaints) or just having less art overall (making the book less awesome and leading to different complaints.)

Woaw, woaw, woaw... where did I ever say that it was a "mark of desperation"? Please quote me on that one.

I only reconized Gods & Magic artworks, because I have absolutely no clue on what artworks came from other books. I "only" own Gods & Magic, so those are the ones that stroke me. How? Different highlights and shadows that make the new artworks look like paintings where the others look like drawings, literally. There's a glaring visual consistency problem with the deities' artworks. That kinda bugs me, as if some of the job was finished, but the rest wasn't even completed.

THAT feels like a rushed product, because it looks more like a time issue than a budget issue. Not having much money would either have led to a smaller book or a longer delay. Not having much time, however, leads to pretty much every problem imaginable, even if you have all the money in the world.

The priests' artworks are recycled as well? Oddly enough, I haven't seen them until now, same goes with the heralds and servants, same goes with the two-page images for each chapter, same goes for the rest of the images. First time I see most of the artworks in this book, honest... except the deities' artworks which I saw in Gods & magic, which I bought here.

As for the artworks, I thought that Paizo had their own in-house artists with fixed salaries, not freelancers with varying payments.

Considering that we're getting four hardcovers this year as opposed to three (Inner Sea Gods, Advanced Class Guide, Monster Codex, and Strategy Guide), I'm willing to bet that Paizo's ability to recycle a large quantity of art for Inner Sea Gods (and likely the Strategy Guide as well) is one of the major contributing factors as to how Paizo could afford 2014's metric ton of products.

If Paizo needs to recycle artwork for the gods, that's fine by me. I don't own most of the APs anyway and even for the ones that I do have on my shelf, to me that shows stylistic completeness rather than laziness.

Woaw, woaw, woaw... where did I ever say that it was a "mark of desperation"? Please quote me on that one.

You asked if they ran out of time and budget, and in that post say it looks like a rushed product.

It isn't a matter of having 'much money'. Wes says they ordered more than 250 pieces of art for this book. It's a 320 page book. That means five out of six pages have a new piece of artwork on them. That costs.

As for the artworks, I thought that Paizo had their own in-house artists with fixed salaries, not freelancers with varying payments.

Paizo has an art staff: these are Art Directors and Designers. They are not (in that capacity) artists. It's actually pretty similar to the relationship between editors and writers.

Wayne Reynolds is not a Paizo employee.

But even if the artists were on the Paizo payroll, and not freelancers, that doesn't change anything. If you only have enough time to make a certain amount of art, that's all you have. You can either go without, or recycle. It isn't a matter of 'longer delay' because payroll costs money.

Also if they were already really happy with there current artwork of the gods seems to make sence to keep using it.

Also, sometimes we order art and it comes in bad so we decide not to use it and go with art we already have.

And sometimes we do like the art and feel it's perfect already, and in cases where the artwork hasn't appeared in a hardcover book, putting it into a hardcover to give it more exposure (often ten times more the exposure or more) is a good thing. (NOTE: This was the category for why we re-used art from Gods & Magic... Eva's work on the deities was too excellent to let go out of print).

And sometimes we don't have enough money to lavishly illustrate a book.

And sometimes at the last minute we have to cut text, or realize we don't have enough text to fill a page, and dropping in a piece of recycled art can sometimes make the difference between us hitting our deadline or not (it takes far less time to place an appropriate if re-used piece of art on a page than it does to write and develop and edit and copyfit several hundred words of brand new text... especially if the author of the original work isn't availalble and the new author needs to read text to figure out what needs to go in its place).

And so on, and so on. There's actually a LOT of reasons why we do the things we do. Most of the time, they're really good reasons.

And so on, and so on. There's actually a LOT of reasons why we do the things we do. Most of the time, they're really good reasons.

And the rest of the time, they're Cosmo's fault.

Also, sometimes we order art and it comes in bad so we decide not to use it and go with art we already have.

And sometimes we do like the art and feel it's perfect already, and in cases where the artwork hasn't appeared in a hardcover book, putting it into a hardcover to give it more exposure (often ten times more the exposure or more) is a good thing. (NOTE: This was the category for why we re-used art from Gods & Magic... Eva's work on the deities was too excellent to let go out of print).

And sometimes we don't have enough money to lavishly illustrate a book.

And sometimes at the last minute we have to cut text, or realize we don't have enough text to fill a page, and dropping in a piece of recycled art can sometimes make the difference between us hitting our deadline or not (it takes far less time to place an appropriate if re-used piece of art on a page than it does to write and develop and edit and copyfit several hundred words of brand new text... especially if the author of the original work isn't availalble and the new author needs to read text to figure out what needs to go in its place).

And so on, and so on. There's actually a LOT of reasons why we do the things we do. Most of the time, they're really good reasons.

Points taken...

Like I said, I like the book for the content. I just thought it was a little baffling to see the same artworks.

Skeld wrote:

godsDMit wrote:

Any particular reason the PDF is $28 instead of $10 like the other hardcovers?

Because Inner Sea Gods follows the rule for general PDF pricing, not the exceptions.

The PDFs are generally priced at 70% of the MSRP, except for the RPG line (CRB, Bestiaries, Ultimate *, etc.), which are priced at $10 to keep the barrier of entry into the game low (plus all those rules are available for free in the SRD, so pricing the PDF high doesn't make sense).

The only exception to the exception that I'm aware of is the Inner Sea Guide, which is a Campaign Setting book, but is priced at $10 to keep barrier of entry in to the setting low.

Inner Sea Gods doesn't appear to be considered necessary to enjoy or familiarize with other setting material like the Inner Sea Guide.

-Skeld

All true or truth adjacent.

Thanks for the quick answers. I hadnt noticed this was a Campaign Setting book. I just assumed since it was a hardcover it was just part of the RPG line. Good enough reason for me. :)

Noticed a change in Shelyn's write-up.

She can be described as 'Stout,Voluptous or slender'

So it was decided that having her shown with a big butt(from the first write-up) was insensitive? :)

I have all of the AP's from 1 til the most recent one.

I know that all of the deity profiles are in these books.

But THANK YOU for putting all of these in ONE FREAKING BOOK.

Dont care that some of the art is recycled. I still like it.

Again...

ONE BOOK.

Thank Cayden Cailean...(and Paizo)

I have all of the AP's from 1 til the most recent one.

I know that all of the deity profiles are in these books.

But THANK YOU for putting all of these in ONE FREAKING BOOK.

Dont care that some of the art is recycled. I still like it.

Again...

ONE BOOK.

Thank Cayden Cailean...(and Paizo)

One Book to Rule Them All,

ShinHakkaider wrote:

I have all of the AP's from 1 til the most recent one.

I know that all of the deity profiles are in these books.

But THANK YOU for putting all of these in ONE FREAKING BOOK.

Dont care that some of the art is recycled. I still like it.

Again...

ONE BOOK.

Thank Cayden Cailean...(and Paizo)

One Book to Rule Them All,

One Book to Find Them,
One Book to Bring Them All,
and
In the Darkness Bind Them.

Oh, I know that one. It's Zon-Kuthon's holy text, right?

Noticed a change in Shelyn's write-up.

She can be described as 'Stout,Voluptous or slender'

So it was decided that having her shown with a big butt(from the first write-up) was insensitive? :)

Well, actually the text is that different artists throughout the world portray her in keeping with their ideas and cultural standards of beauty (even to the point of depicting her as an elf or a half-orc). :-)

what are the level 3/4/5 spells in the book

Just because I noticed it and did a little dance as a result: the inclusion of Alazhra the Dream Eater the night hag patron was pretty awesome just because of the obscurity of her references in prior lore (like 2 places in passing).

That's kind of awesome and whoever was responsible for her/its inclusion, you're awesome too and should feel awesome. :D

Now she needs some love and expanded lore whenever it becomes appropriate ;)

So do the protean lords. Just saying you awesome people you.

what are the level 3/4/5 spells in the book

Spoilers have officially been cut off by the mods. Either wait until the info becomes available on d20pfsrd or buy the book.

Just because I noticed it and did a little dance as a result: the inclusion of Alazhra the Dream Eater the night hag patron was pretty awesome just because of the obscurity of her references in prior lore (like 2 places in passing).

That's kind of awesome and whoever was responsible for her/its inclusion, you're awesome too and should feel awesome. :D

Now she needs some love and expanded lore whenever it becomes appropriate ;)

So do the protean lords. Just saying you awesome people you.

Whoa, really!? What are her domains and favored weapon?

At $15 or so I would pick the PDF up immediately, but at $28 for a digital download, no way. I would buy the hardcover, but shipping to Holland is very expensive. So, skipping.

Too bad really, I love deity background.

Todd Stewart wrote:

Just because I noticed it and did a little dance as a result: the inclusion of Alazhra the Dream Eater the night hag patron was pretty awesome just because of the obscurity of her references in prior lore (like 2 places in passing).

That's kind of awesome and whoever was responsible for her/its inclusion, you're awesome too and should feel awesome. :D

Now she needs some love and expanded lore whenever it becomes appropriate ;)

So do the protean lords. Just saying you awesome people you.

Whoa, really!? What are her domains and favored weapon?

See this: Spoilers have officially been cut off by the mods. Either wait until the info becomes available on d20pfsrd or buy the book.

At $15 or so I would pick the PDF up immediately, but at $28 for a digital download, no way. I would buy the hardcover, but shipping to Holland is very expensive. So, skipping.

Too bad really, I love deity background.

I've just ordered the book from Amazon, 6$ shipping to Poland.

Again, am I the only one missing with the appendix missing in his book?

henkslaaf wrote:

At $15 or so I would pick the PDF up immediately, but at $28 for a digital download, no way. I would buy the hardcover, but shipping to Holland is very expensive. So, skipping.

Too bad really, I love deity background.

I've just ordered the book from Amazon, 6$ shipping to Poland.

Shipping is free to Holland from amazon.de in Germany. They don't have the book named correctly though, but search for "pathfinder campaign setting sean reynolds" and its the first book in the results.

Again, am I the only one missing with the appendix missing in his book?

Perhaps you could try posting this problem with your copy in the Customer Service forum where someone at Paizo is bound to have a look into it at least?

As I don't have the book yet myself, I can't actually be of more help with your problem... But the Paizo Customer Service/Support staff are really helpful, so...

Hoping you can get it sorted out.

--C.

Sorry guys I had to go Amazon this month because of the doubling up on books and at $28 Hardcover with free shipping, it was hard to pass up!

I hope you get yours soon! :)

I flipped through the hard copy my LGS had (mine is still in the mail) and was disappointed to see that the articles on the major deities lacked their additions to the summon monster list that each of the AP articles had, but I could easily have missed it. Can anyone confirm if that content made it to the book, perhaps in another chapter?

Bought the book at my FLGS last night.

My sole complaint is that I wish the assurance ranas, kyton demagogues, primal inevitable so protean lords, psychopomp ushers, rakshasa immortals, whatever aeons have, Tian Xian deities, Vudrani deities, forgotten deities, and dead deities had been included in the appendix tables. It would have been amazingly useful and given us plenty of new information to play with.

Maybe this could added as a blog post at some point?

I just got home from work and found this on my doorstep, and it's beautiful :)

Is there enough support for Calistria in this book?

I'm not asking for spoilers, just whether she gets PrCs or archetypes or domains. I still want to make my super spiteful Elven Witch wasp queen.

Just got the book and quite excited to read through the whole thing. Although, so far I have only read the part on Irori (being thinking about making a champion of Irori for some time now). I was kinda disappointed to notice there was no text related to paladins of Irori. I know many have posted about this topic in the last years saying that there were too few of then to have a code but I was still expecting a little something in this book. Anyone as an idea if there was ever a code published or if there will be one in the future (I read there might have been one when they published the dragon empires... but nothing since).

Considering how Irori teaches that there are many paths to enlightenment and what is the true path for one person may not be the true path for another person, I doubt his faith would ever endorse an "official" paladin code as "this is the true paladin code of the Master of Masters."

Considering how Irori teaches that there are many paths to enlightenment and what is the true path for one person may not be the true path for another person, I doubt his faith would ever endorse an "official" paladin code as "this is the true paladin code of the Master of Masters."

I think we need Irori to make some posts on the forums about the right way to play Pathfinder ;)

Considering how Irori teaches that there are many paths to enlightenment and what is the true path for one person may not be the true path for another person, I doubt his faith would ever endorse an "official" paladin code as "this is the true paladin code of the Master of Masters."

Thanks for the quick answer! Still, a bit disappointed, I could have seen a really general code, although, I guess the reasons for a cleric of Irori to bring battle to evil could be quite numerous... I just wonder whether doing so AND upholding good would not make for a more homogenous group. Like allowing people to work toward enlighment since they won't be slain or corrupted, a bit like the inquisitors of Irori.

Anyway, this is just me thinking outloud, I do not mean in anyway to "push" the issue.

Just got the book and quite excited to read through the whole thing. Although, so far I have only read the part on Irori (being thinking about making a champion of Irori for some time now). I was kinda disappointed to notice there was no text related to paladins of Irori. I know many have posted about this topic in the last years saying that there were too few of then to have a code but I was still expecting a little something in this book. Anyone as an idea if there was ever a code published or if there will be one in the future (I read there might have been one when they published the dragon empires... but nothing since).

This is briefly addressed in the section on the Irorian Paladin archetype in Inner Sea Combat.