The Godsrain Prophecies Part Two

Wednesday, February 14, 2024

As I continue my reading of the Godsrain Prophecies’ dire predictions of the deaths of various gods, it should be noted (and will be, in the compiled report for my Lady), that their existence as a collection brings into question the validity of each one. I believe that a corollary of the Windsong Paradox explains this best (as unsettling as this discovery of “prophecy” has been, I relish the opportunity to apply one of my favorites!): each individual prophecy exists independent of the others, as if they each occur in their own solitary void (note, for example, the mention here of a living Pharasma).This means they cannot all be true and, per the corollary, the chance of any of them being true is lessened¹. A reassuring thought that I am happy to consider!

¹In all fairness, a counter-argument could be made that one of the Godsrain Prophecies is correct in full, with all others either invalidated by its truth or purposefully created to mislead, but I tend to believe my initial theory (perhaps, if nothing else, because it is a bit more comforting).

Yivali, Apprentice Researcher for the Lady of Graves




The wound that kills Asmodeus has ached for countless eons, and still he has no memory of how Ihys drew blood. He knows the war between them, can hear the ringing battle cries as he fought hard for order, and Ihys, sympathetic fool, set chaos in his sights. He sees his brother’s hand outstretched, can feel the arm against his back, remembers what it tasted like to plunge his sword into his kin, but never feels the moment that some blade or nail sliced at his leg, has only blood upon his hands to prove that he was hit.

Some days the cut is barely there, a scratch upon his surface, a moment’s irritation as he moves from place to place. But other days, it festers into leaking, pulsing wetness, a shooting pain that drips and strikes and stops him where he stands. He spends those days in agony, sealed deep within the Catafalque, encouraging the rumors of his secret chamber of delights, returning only when the wound has calmed itself again.

He’s known, somewhere inside himself, that this would be what felled him, but somehow, in his final steps, he still feels disbelief. How can one cut unravel everything that he has been and done, the worlds that he has built and wrecked, the Hell he has created? He stumbles through the empty hall, his body crashing to the ground, a rictus of shocked agony carved deep into his face. Perhaps it is a mercy that he cannot see what happens next, does not perceive the brother who emerges in his place. Ihys, summoned by the force that kept the gash forever open. Ihys, who, with sorrowed glance, replaces him upon his throne. Ihys, who believed in taking mercy on the mortals, giving them their freedom even when they broke and twisted things, seeing good inside their souls as something worth the sacrifice. Ihys, now the Prince of Darkness. Ihys, Lord of Hell.

Deep inside the Catafalque, the new god works deliberately, taking time to understand the Hell his brother wrought. He finds a few things to preserve—the contract of creation and its binding power on the gods, the prison that holds Rovagug, whose key he’s now charged with keeping—and vows he will uphold them in Asmodeus’s name. The rest he’s ready to unmake, but slowly, with the greatest care. This time he will not act in haste. This time Hell works his way.

He first visits the archdevils, his enemies of ages past, who greet him with their surface smiles and offer false obeisance—some dripping poison-syruped words, some sharpening their blades and fangs, some gathering a mass of shades to wait for new wartime demands. But Ihys understands their ways and flaunts his new divinity, his scepter Archstar swinging in a show of all his power, and while the peace he gains from them may be a prelude to a war, he makes each of Hell’s denizens sign contracts to a new decree—a kinder, gentler punishment for those whose souls have damned them there, a way for those to free themselves who want to choose another path, a safe route as they journey back up from the depths of Hell.

He's visited by deities—some curious, some threatening—who see the shifting way of things and wish to understand. And while Pharasma alters how her psychopomps send souls to him and Sarenrae applauds an ancient ally on his newfound life, the Four Horsemen of Abaddon begin to seek advantages, to plan some future action they may one day undertake.

With Hell remade to suit his likings, Ihys settles on his throne, turns the power of his gaze to fixing mortal things. He pores through every contract that he must now enforce, underlining loopholes that invalidate the cruelest clauses, marking for destruction those he cannot bend or change. With every small relinquishing, the power in some region shifts, as those who felt their contract as a prison or a heavy weight now have the chance to change the old direction of their lives. But none change more than Cheliax, where House Thrune used the power gifted by the Lord of Hell himself to make the many contracts that have kept them on the throne. Ihys rescinds this favor and refuses to grant any more, leaves the realm of Abrogail to manage on its own.

As Ihys rests then, satisfied. He does not hear the whispers, as close as Mephistopheles and far off as Egorian, of bitterness and revolution, hanging in the air. Or if he does, he honors them as choices made of mortal will—whatever comes, he lives and breathes, and he can always start anew. If devils come to challenge him, if Cheliax is torn to shreds, he’s happy to rend everything (with Rovagug set free to feed) and make the world again.

An array of 20 portraits depicting the gods of the Pathfinder setting. Asmodeus and Pharasma’s portraits have been marked “safe.”;

While one might assume an end of Asmodeus’s treachery would presage improvements in the multiverse, this prophecy presents a very different potentiality.





I felt such relief while reading this to know that the death of Asmodeus (at least according to this still unproven and unidentified source) might not mean the release of the Rough Beast, only for the prophecy to suggest that Rovagug might still be unleashed? Those who claim that research has no excitement are simply in the wrong field of study. I also must confess that this prophecy has piqued my interest in learning more of the fallen god Ihys—a topic I might not otherwise have considered! It will, though, have to wait. I must reach some conclusion, and still have much to read through, before I can present this to my Lady.


About the Author

Erin Roberts has been thrilled to be able to contribute a few small threads to the fabric of Golarion in the pages of books like Lost Omens Firebrands, Lost Omens Highhelm, and Lost Omens Travel Guide. In addition to her work for Paizo, she freelances across the TTRPG world (and was selected as a Diana Jones Award Emerging Designer Program Winner in 2023), has had fiction published in magazines including Asimov’s, Clarkesworld, and The Dark, and talks about writing every week on the Writing Excuses podcast. Catch up with her latest at linktr.ee/erinroberts.

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This is making me confident that my guesses of Sarenrae/Asmodeus/Pharasma are all wrong and all three Divine Mysteries stained glass gods survive :'D

(btw, do we still get short stories for 9 gods that aren't part of 10 week countdown or are we left forever wondering what their prophecies would have been? x'D)

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CorvusMask wrote:

This is making me confident that my guesses of Sarenrae/Asmodeus/Pharasma are all wrong and all three Divine Mysteries stained glass gods survive :'D

same. Yeah, I don't see them willing to remove Sarenrae/Desna at this point either. Maybe Iomedae? I dunno. While the others would be interesting, I don't see their removal being that big of a narrative deal.

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Ihys as the new lord of Hell. I truly did not see this one coming.

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This was *so cool*. Loved it.


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This one was super fun, thank you! And it puts to rest the theory that Asmodeus would be a casualty of the OGL fiasco.


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I love how this builds up. Ahh... working through contracts, making things a bit better there, putting devils a bit more in place, lest see how we can improve. But if people don't agree with me...
Burn it to the ground!

*cracks knuckles* Can't wait to dig into this more.


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CorvusMask wrote:

This is making me confident that my guesses of Sarenrae/Asmodeus/Pharasma are all wrong and all three Divine Mysteries stained glass gods survive :'D

(btw, do we still get short stories for 9 gods that aren't part of 10 week countdown or are we left forever wondering what their prophecies would have been? x'D)

I would love more of Erin's take on this. But if Paizo doesn't do this, I don't think the community will let an absence of prophecies stand! Where my fellow Golarion fiction writers? :D


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Anorak wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:

This is making me confident that my guesses of Sarenrae/Asmodeus/Pharasma are all wrong and all three Divine Mysteries stained glass gods survive :'D

same. Yeah, I don't see them willing to remove Sarenrae/Desna at this point either. Maybe Iomedae? I dunno. While the others would be interesting, I don't see their removal being that big of a narrative deal.

I feel like the death of Abadar could be pretty huge.


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Even if the death of Asmodeus isn't true, this prophecy imply that the wound is an actual real thing that Asmodeus have. And if it's true, now a mortal, a mere apprentice even, know the greatest secret of the god of Hell. In itself, it feel like a pretty important story beat. And also an important bit of characterization for Asmodeus and Ihys, of course.

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keftiu wrote:
This one was super fun, thank you! And it puts to rest the theory that Asmodeus would be a casualty of the OGL fiasco.

Well now I'm just going to be a doomer and predict it's going to be one of Desna, Sarenrae, or Iomedae.


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Again, I am still safe. Thank you for your concern.

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Anorak wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:

This is making me confident that my guesses of Sarenrae/Asmodeus/Pharasma are all wrong and all three Divine Mysteries stained glass gods survive :'D

same. Yeah, I don't see them willing to remove Sarenrae/Desna at this point either. Maybe Iomedae? I dunno. While the others would be interesting, I don't see their removal being that big of a narrative deal.

Iomedae dies, human society shatters, the Whispering Tyrant wrecks shit and humans are completely removed from the setting?

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Scarablob wrote:
Even if the death of Asmodeus isn't true, this prophecy imply that the wound is an actual real thing that Asmodeus have. And if it's true, now a mortal, a mere apprentice even, know the greatest secret of the god of Hell. In itself, it feel like a pretty important story beat. And also an important bit of characterization for Asmodeus and Ihys, of course.

Yivali is a psychopomp. Not a mortal.

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Scarablob wrote:
Even if the death of Asmodeus isn't true, this prophecy imply that the wound is an actual real thing that Asmodeus have. And if it's true, now a mortal, a mere apprentice even, know the greatest secret of the god of Hell. In itself, it feel like a pretty important story beat. And also an important bit of characterization for Asmodeus and Ihys, of course.

Let me point you to a quote about Asmodeus from Book of the Damned, Vol I. This served as the inspiration for today's prophecy.

Spoiler:

Whether this is the Archfiend’s true form or merely a guise he adopts so his mortal servants can conceive of him, none can say. Some legends tell that he has another form, one that bears a great, endlessly bleeding wound suffered during his final battle with the deity Ihys, but if any soul has ever witnessed this shape, they have never been allowed to leave Nessus.


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Okay, I had some guesses Asmodeus could've died, so him being proven safe is making me think again about this stuff. But seeing Ihys? Now THAT was surprising. I wonder how much of this can be true, about Asmodeus' wound having that effect, and the purpose of Catafalque.


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The Raven Black wrote:
Yivali is a psychopomp. Not a mortal.

Oh, I didn't catch that part, the "Apprentice Researcher for the Lady of Graves" led me to think he was a cleric in training. A psychopomp make more sense as a being entrusted with such grand secrets, yeah.

Luis Loza wrote:
Book of the damned spoiler:
Whether this is the Archfiend’s true form or merely a guise he adopts so his mortal servants can conceive of him, none can say. Some legends tell that he has another form, one that bears a great, endlessly bleeding wound suffered during his final battle with the deity Ihys, but if any soul has ever witnessed this shape, they have never been allowed to leave Nessus.

Ohhh, I completely forgot about this, so this isn't quite all new information for the wound, but an expansion of older lore. I really like these two prophecies so far, great job to the writers and the story team that though them through.

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We are seeing the most cosmic deities for the moment. If it continues, we might have Desna or Zon-Kuthon next.

Or to shake the trend we might have Cayden Cailean or Irori.

I wonder which 10 they will leave hanging to the last.


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My guess is that they are starting with the "biggest", most far reaching ones, because they are those that create the most interesting and strange scenario if they do die, while the death of an ascended mortal wouldn't have quite that much of an impact on the cosmic scale. So they would make for less interesting "prophecies".

Which would mean that if they "skip" one of the big god, their odds of being the one that kick the bucket would suddently skyrocket. Altho it wouldn't be hard to skip a few of them to create false leads.

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Man I need to time to get faster :'D I need confirmation that Erastil is alive because of one player xP


It seems we're getting these from the least likely to die to the most. If that's so, it might be possible to guess the next safe deity that will be revealed.

My guess for next safe deity would be Rovagug, Nethys, or Abadar.

And, as Scarablob says, if they don't appear soon, that will make them prime suspects.

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I suspect the return of prophecy heralds the return of Aroden. Perhaps the gods should tremble with terror at these words?

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Well, this isn't a relief, but it is a very interesting "What If?" Back to worrying, then...

Anorak wrote:
same. Yeah, I don't see them willing to remove Sarenrae/Desna at this point either. Maybe Iomedae? I dunno. While the others would be interesting, I don't see their removal being that big of a narrative deal.

That's who I'm worried about most. She's EXACTLY the kind of goddess who'd lay down her life to save others, just as she had during her mortal days, and her followers would, even as tears fill their eyes, say "We expected nothing less from her." They are, after all, no strangers to the loss of their God. Arazni before and then Aroden too. Maybe another god would take up her church as she did. Maybe Arazni's heart will soften and she'll take them back. Maybe Ragathiel will embrace them along with the return of his old herald to avenge her. Maybe nobody will answer the call, and they will have to truly stand alone for the first time. But they would carry on the fight against evil in her memory regardless. She'd have expected nothing less from them.


Yeah I still think it's gonna be Iomedae.

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Stormlord506 wrote:
Yeah I still think it's gonna be Iomedae.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised. Killing Iomedae would drastically alter the setting in a way that gives evil a fairly significant upper hand, since it destroys one of the primary counterweights to setting big bads like Cheliax and the Whispering Tyrant.

And if there's anything I've learned over the last 20 years of gaming, it's that grimdark sells A LOT of copies.


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Food for thought. WizKids and Paizo just released a box set of miniatures called Gods of Lost Omens. The figures include Gorum, Desna, Abadar, Calistria, Sarenrae & Shelyn. It would seem off for it to be one of those eliminated. Hmmmmm...


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And in the end Ihys somehow made me trust them less than the devil himself with the final lines of his prophecy good lord.


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Asmodeus lives! That was another popular guess so the plot thickens. Got to say, I do love the "What If?" nature of these articles, they inspire some pretty rad ideas for alternative settings.


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I think Urgathoa is safe, because she's so tangled up in the Arazni/Tar-Baphon storyline that I see resolving later on... so I'm deeply curious what her death-prophecy looks like. Maybe Zira steps up!

Wysteriah wrote:
Food for thought. WizKids and Paizo just released a box set of miniatures called Gods of Lost Omens. The figures include Gorum, Desna, Abadar, Calistria, Sarenrae & Shelyn. It would seem off for it to be one of those eliminated. Hmmmmm...

Luis Loza explicitly debunked this 'lead' on Reddit a while back.


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Zon-Kuthon is dying baby, that’s why they got Liane Merciel writing the tie-in book. Or it’s Shelyn and Zon-Kuthon is heavily involved. I will not be entertaining any other possibilities!


Something Luis said on discord makes me think that none of the prismatic ray are going to be marked safe. That they will all be one of the 10 we don't know about yet.

That doesn't mean one of them will die though, just that they aren't going to be nice and aleve our anxiety.


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Just an excellent series. Seems like everyone involved is having a blast writing this stuff.


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Urgathoa dying would be gross, but only because this death involves the god blowing up in the sky and raining down on Golarion below. As far as an end to a god that this feels fitting to their narrative and not excessively revolting of a plot line, I think the most likely candidates are:

Desna, Sarenrae, Shelyn, Gozreh, and maybe Calistra, Nethys, Erastil and Norgerber. I guess Iomadae and Abadar wouldn't really be grosser than these others to blow up in the sky and rain down on the mortals below, but it feels like that would be a weird end to either of them.

Rovagug would be setting changing beyond reason for keeping most of the setting and will probably be one revealed soon, although it could be an easy one to leave alone and let people fret over until the end too...and would also be Urgathoa and Zon Kuthon gross to rain from the sky.

I love Desna, Shelyn and Gozreh, so I am probably rooting for Sarenrae of the gods that feel like it could be a beautiful thing for them to die and butterflies or rainbows or peacock feathers or rays of gentle light being the "god goop" that falls on the people of Golarion.


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I'm leaning towards the "one" to die being Gozreh. With the Elemental Lords being around, Gozreh always felt more superfluous to me than the other gods. Now, after Rage of Elements and the return of more Elemental Lords, I feel that way even more strongly.


willfromamerica wrote:
Zon-Kuthon is dying baby, that’s why they got Liane Merciel writing the tie-in book.

People keep saying this, but the most relevant qualification of Liane Merciel isn't that she focuses on Zon-Kuthon/Nidal related stuff, it's that she's an order of magnitude better writer than anyone else who has written for them. (Ok, half an order of magnitude better than Tim Pratt.)


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For those saying that some media or other would imply that one god/dess or another lives on, Luis Loza said in Reddit that being featured in either the cover of Divine Mysteries or the Gods of Lost Omen minis has no bearing in the survival of a god, so there goes those guesses :'v


Ashanderai wrote:
I'm leaning towards the "one" to die being Gozreh. With the Elemental Lords being around, Gozreh always felt more superfluous to me than the other gods. Now, after Rage of Elements and the return of more Elemental Lords, I feel that way even more strongly.

Also betting on Gozreh, druids I see are either atheist or follower of the green faith, and the new elemental lords eat away at their niche as the elemental god(s). Add to this that Erastil also work for a nature/rural themed cleric or champion, and it seems like they are the god that can be removed with the least amount of trouble in a player perspective, while still causing a massive crisis in the lore, as the deity of nature dying is sure to cause trouble.


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My theory is that they are going in order of the oldest gods to the newest.

We started with Pharasma the Eldest/First of the deities now we go to Asmodeus.
According to the Book of the Damned and the Windsong Testaments Asmodeus and Ihys were the first born gods of this cycle of reality. As Pharasma was the Survivor of the Previous one.

So Sarenrae, Desna, or Rovagug could be next week's Prophecy.


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So does this imply that Ihys is still alive, or is he resurrected on the death of his brother? Did Asmodeus kill Ihys with a sword, or with a spear like the Ihystear is described to be?

Either way, this was the best prophecy so far!


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I'll add that while i love love love lamashtu, if she goes out raining the afterbirth of bestial horrors on to Golarion, i will retract my desire for butterflies and rainbows.


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Leahcim wrote:
I suspect the return of prophecy heralds the return of Aroden. Perhaps the gods should tremble with terror at these words?

What makes you think that prophecy is returning to its previous status?


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I really want to note how beautifully written this and the last prophecy are. I'm not a native english speaker, so I have a hard time really feeling texts in english, but these two are just beautiful works.

Anyways, back to hoping that it isn't Iomedae the one to bite the dust!


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a) Darnit, I was hoping it'd be him.

b) Yikes (TM).

c) I wonder how much of "Asmodeus having a wound on his leg that never fully heals" is canon. If I recall correctly, the mythological figure had a cane and/or walked with a limp, but that's like third-hand information, so I don't know how accurate it is, or even if it's relevant (there's PLENTY of mythological things that don't make it into their Pathfinder versions after all).
Ah, okay, so it IS a thing that's been in the lore.

d) This is something that I think could only have been properly told after getting rid of alignment; because if they'd tried to say "yeah, this guy is totally LG" there would have been some INCREDIBLY nasty fights on here. As is, they're free to present a god's decisions without making a statement that it's necessarily moral or justified.

e) Okay so n=2 but it SEEMS like they're going for a story in these of how things would turn out horribly? Which if true would make sense, you don't want like "yeah if THIS god died then stuff would be great, however that's NOT what you're getting", plus that would also block off an interesting what-if concept.

f) Here's a question; which gods do you think are most likely to be in the "final ten", where we're kept in suspense the longest regarding their fate? So that's not just "which you think is most likely to die", but also "which nine survivors' fans are they going to keep in agony". I think Desna would be on that list, along with Cayden, Iomedae, Nethys, and Urgathoa.


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Damn.

Well, THAT is a missed Opportunity.

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Ashanderai wrote:
I'm leaning towards the "one" to die being Gozreh. With the Elemental Lords being around, Gozreh always felt more superfluous to me than the other gods. Now, after Rage of Elements and the return of more Elemental Lords, I feel that way even more strongly.

I like this. Removing Gozreh would make room for Arazni, who is a much more interesting god for players.


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Prince Setehrael wrote:

My theory is that they are going in order of the oldest gods to the newest.

We started with Pharasma the Eldest/First of the deities now we go to Asmodeus.
According to the Book of the Damned and the Windsong Testaments Asmodeus and Ihys were the first born gods of this cycle of reality. As Pharasma was the Survivor of the Previous one.

So Sarenrae, Desna, or Rovagug could be next week's Prophecy.

If we're taking the Winsdsong Testaments order, we've already skipped Desna and Sarenrae--albeit it would be fair to suggest that the 'original eight' can really go in any order, and Asmodeus clearly likes to think of himself as being the Original.


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I was kinda hoping they'd scrap Asmo. He feels a little too attached to the other game.

Also, it'd be interesting to see the changes to Cheliax.

But he is safe, so be it.

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Well there goes my theory of Calistria getting saved for Valentine's Day. :p

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My Money is still on Torag to bite it.

Or, maybe we get more than one dead deity.


keftiu wrote:
This one was super fun, thank you! And it puts to rest the theory that Asmodeus would be a casualty of the OGL fiasco.

Yup!

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