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Game Master chadius

Chadius, is the 04-06 the one you were gonna do for the group I did 06-07 for?

Yes, that was the game I had suggested.

Just checking. I just threw my name into the hat.

I'm also going to try to get into Mike's 7-10 (which is sort of Part 2 of 06-07 -- you get to meet up with the same group in that battle royale). You should get in with Manny instead of Miladistra :)

I'm gonna try to get in with Kaitlyn, who has the chronicle for 06-07.

Oh and for a somewhat shameless plug, I have a lvl 1 bounty and a 1-4 quest for those who need the odd XP... B12 (Somewhere Below) and Q21 (Infernal Infiltration)...

Clover's brave... especially taking a goblin's hand.. one that's sticky with pickle brine (and gods only knows what else!) :)

Halgur, who you sending to the shipyard? :)

Holy hells that's a lot of posts, I'll try to catch up today. Who stole Stitch's WD5000?

Holy hells that's a lot of posts, I'll try to catch up today. Who stole Stitch's WD5000?

Sorry, Lolly needed an extra can.

As for the posts, many of them are a side shopping trip. Not critical.

Stitch Steeltoe wrote:

Holy hells that's a lot of posts, I'll try to catch up today. Who stole Stitch's WD5000?

Sorry, Lolly needed an extra can.

As for the posts, many of them are a side shopping trip. Not critical.

Ya, this is my busy season at work and I'm not in front of the computer like I am all winter. Keeping up is harder.

yes. we spent some time trying to make ourselves look presentable... though I'm not sure if the GM caught the tail end where Lokaloka was asking the tailor to give Stitch some new threads as well ;)

If Stitch wants to purchase new threads, they can mention it. Doesn’t have to even be in the same place. High-fashion fine Clothes should give a +1 Item bonus to Diplomacy or Performance. I can see how putting on nice clothes would help there.

Note I can’t find in the rules what they mechanically do, I am going off the cost of other items that give a +1 Item bonus.

might not apply to lokaloka since her pipes are lesser maestro pipes, which already give a +1 item bonus.

which means she didn't need a green polka-dotted dress to impress :)

Yes, please do not double-count an item (or other) bonus.

Aid is a circumstance bonus and feats like Virtuosic Performer give a circumstance bonus to the specific type of performance you choose. Would need a critical success on the Aid to gain over the feat. Certainly possible at these levels, but not assured.

GAH! Now I'm feeling bad about dripping brine all over PBB's robes!!

Yes, please do not double-count an item (or other) bonus.

Aid is a circumstance bonus and feats like Virtuosic Performer give a circumstance bonus to the specific type of performance you choose. Would need a critical success on the Aid to gain over the feat. Certainly possible at these levels, but not assured.

Lokaloka's virtuosic is for wind instruments (i.e. her pipes). IDK if you can take it a second time for another type (like singing)...

Sorry it took so long for me to compose my post. I needed to get this song just right.

Lokaloka's virtuosic is for wind instruments (i.e. her pipes). IDK if you can take it a second time for another type (like singing)...

It does not have a Special: line in the feat so I would have to say you can’t. Sort of surprising that you can’t but I can understand not wanting someone to be a Virtuosic in every type of performance.

When you next hand out hero points, I vote Clover for coming up with a song like that! :)

I was going to switch up my skills, but with us only able to aid others using the same skill that we're using, it kind of makes sense for Clover to use Perform again...

I was going to switch up my skills, but with us only able to aid others using the same skill that we're using, it kind of makes sense for Clover to use Perform again...

You can use one skill and Aid someone with a different skill. The skill you use for your presentation doesn’t have to match the one you are aiding.

You need to use the same skill to Aid as the person is using to do the skill check.

Halgur, who you sending to the shipyard? :)

Right now I signed up with Meadow's childhood bully, Lily with the Blonde Hair, a level 3 primal sorcerer. We already have a sorcerer though so I may change to my level 2 druid, Detective Inspector Irina Valisnakova. I'm prepping for a Con that I'm running this weekend so I'm a bit distracted at the moment. I'll finalize everything on Sunday or Monday.

Forgot to mention that Lokaloka is a Champion of Teki Stronggut. Other than getting the holy aura, she has none of the benefits (she only took Champion Dedication at Lvl 6). So she can't really benefit from it yet.

I'll be running the PFS portion of ReaperCon from Thursday through Sunday. It's held just a few miles from home so I'll still be able to post but my posts may be a bit terse for the next few days.

don't forget your lisp! :)

Sorry, I never learned Lisp.

Sorry, I never learned Lisp.

neither have I :)

I heard it has a suck factor of 100 though... (I've seen the syntax, it's pretty nasty)...

Forth is one of the languages that I didn’t like. We have parsers for a reason! I shouldn’t have to deal with reverse Polish notation!

Lisp is supposed to be very powerful at what it does.

About time for a hero point.

I am giving one to Clover.

Updated profile.

While you were all at the symposium, Vardarel decided to learn the basics of Stealth since this group seems to like to use it.

He is also ready for Blessings of the Forest if that comes around again soon.

Ya, this is my busy season at work and I'm not in front of the computer like I am all winter. Keeping up is harder.

Do you have time to put your stuff in the macro sheet or should someone else take that on?

You have it in your botting, but it is faster for me if I can just do it all from the macro sheet.

So I’ve been wondering for a while now how the emanation on Rank 3 Protection really is intended to work.

Is it an emanation at the time of casting and then the targets are set, or is it an emanation from one person and those within the emanation gain the protection?

Right now it doesn’t matter, but if someone moves it is likely to.

Anyone have any rules references that would say how it should work?

Stitch Steeltoe wrote:

Ya, this is my busy season at work and I'm not in front of the computer like I am all winter. Keeping up is harder.

Do you have time to put your stuff in the macro sheet or should someone else take that on?

You have it in your botting, but it is faster for me if I can just do it all from the macro sheet.

I totally forgot to do this, thanks for the reminder. I'll get it entered now.

So I’ve been wondering for a while now how the emanation on Rank 3 Protection really is intended to work.

Is it an emanation at the time of casting and then the targets are set, or is it an emanation from one person and those within the emanation gain the protection?

Right now it doesn’t matter, but if someone moves it is likely to.

Anyone have any rules references that would say how it should work?

I was going to quote the 1E Magic Circle description but it doesn't note a difference there, either. I always assumed it followed the target but I don't see that spelled explicitly.

Are there other ongoing emanation spells that can be attached to a moving object?

Bless, but it specifically says while within the emanation.

I think it should work that while an ally is within 10’ of the target (which in this case I’m assuming is Professor Bun Bun) they get the +1 to AC and saves. That is the way it makes sense.

Otherwise there would be no reason to make it an emanation. Could just say it targets everyone within 10’.

I think we will go with it is any emanation. Everyone within 10’ of Professor Bun Bun gets the bonus. I am willing to consider a different interpretation if someone has rules references that back it up.

I always assumed that bless was the exception since it specifically says you only get the bonus while within the emanation. Consider also that bless is a rank one spell with an initial range of 15 feet and a simple option to increase it while protection r3 is two spell levels higher with no simple option for area increase.

I will admit that it could use some clarification though, and will adhere to any ruling by our GM.

I will dig a little more, but it makes no sense to make for it to be an emanation if the people affected are determined at the time of casting and it no longer matters how people move.

Why make it an emanation?

To me it only makes sense if the bonus is while within the emanation. The other part of that would be as you move you could bring others into it — such as that big croc that someone just summoned.

I am not confident of how it was intended to work which is why I put something here — so we could discuss it.

The old Circle of Protection made it much more clear how it worked.

Well searching the Rules Discussion was almost worthless.

I found this thread that seems to assume my interpretation but mentions a weird side effect of the rules. Fortunately we are not in that weird case.

There are a lot of matches searching for Protection, unfortunately most of them have nothing to do with the spell.

I will have to come back to this later.

One thing I can see. Bless has the aura trait.

Aura

An aura is an emanation that continually ebbs out from you, affecting creatures within a certain radius. Aura can also refer to the magical signature of an item.

Bless is also an Emanation

Emanation

Source Player Core pg. 428 2.0
An emanation issues forth from each side of your space, extending out to a specified number of feet in all directions. For instance, the bless spell’s emanation radiates 15 or more feet outward from the caster. Because the sides of a creature’s space are the starting point for the emanation, an emanation from a Large or larger creature affects a greater overall area than that of a Medium or smaller creature. Unless the text states otherwise, the creature creating an emanation effect chooses whether the creature at its center is affected.

Protection r3 has an emanation area but does not have the aura trait.

All auras are emanations. I am not sure that you can say that the reverse is true. It is possible that all spells with an emanation area should have the aura trait as well and need errata.

Another thing to look at would be the Frightful presence ability. Can a critical failure on that aura be negated by simply leaving the aura or would the frightened condition remain? Am I comparing apples to oranges? Maybe, I'm not certain.

Yes, I believe all auras are emanations. The reverse is not true. All integers are numbers, 2.7 is a number but not an integer.

Just got back from an in person game. Haven’t the brain power to dig into it tonight.

Since the one who spent the 3rd rank spell wants the interpretation of at time of casting it determines who gets the effect, I am willing to go with that for this casting as we try to untangle the rules to try and come to a consensus.

In other words, for this battle all the PCs get the bonus regardless of movement but the summon can’t gain it.

Tomorrow I will find some time to dig into it further. Might make a post on Rules (unless you want to start it) to try and get more viewpoints.

Post to Rules forum asking about Rank 3 Protection.

Hopefully the post is clear and fair description of our questions. Now to see if we can get useful discussion there or just flames.

I'm glad I'm home for this avalanche of posts! That fight was much easier than expected, although we did have some early crits to soften them up.

My my. We have been busy bees today haven't we.

Wow... all I did was go to bed... when I woke up we're already at the HQ and Stitch has gotten us in...

As I've played this part before, I'll avoid giving direction unless I'm prompted.

As I've run this part, I'll stand in the back with Jiggo :)

Thinking of doing 03-13 (Guardian's Covenant; 3-6 Repeatable) if I'm up next. I have it ready and I've been meaning to run it... But it means Roark will remain on vacation... and Roark misses Clover..

Watches as almost half the group steps back from making decisions.

So, charge in or try to sneak?

I vote you move us through the rooms in the order number listed in the scenario until we find something. Let's make it easy on the GM.