Into the Abyss

Game Master Brolof

I don't want to keep track of regular ammo as a player, you won't be made to do what I wouldn't want to as a player.

Would be a power boost for me if it applies to bullets, so:

Ill probably only use normal and Cold Iron bullets to cut down on managment/tracking.

I can skill craft to craft them catridges, and i can have a gunsmiths kit, but i think that would just bog things down (substracting gold etc. I would frequently need to figure out how much money I actually have).

My preference is that I "buy" a non RAW magazine of infinite Mosin Nagant ammunition (non RAW iirc because replenish ammunition cannot into permanency), pay a one time lump sum for it (GM says how much) and save everyone, but particularly me a hassle.

My Cold Iron ammunition I can track just fine.

Belltrap wrote:

Two questions:

Will we be expected to keep track of nonmagical ammunition not made of special materials?

I'm a little confused on how enhancement bonuses to armor and weapons are going to work. For example, if I wanted to buy, let's say, a vorpal longsword, do I buy it for 50,000 gp? Or will I be buying it for 72,000 gp as a +1 vorpal longsword, to which I then add my attunement bonus for a total of +4? Could I even get a plain +2 longsword and using attunement boost it up to +5?

I don't want to keep track of regular ammo as a player, you won't be made to do what I wouldn't want to as a player.

You'd spend the 50,000 GP to get it Vorpal.

I got an endless ammunition bow just for that purpose. Don't see myself hauling tons of arrows through the Abyss.

Brolof wrote:

Belltrap wrote:

Two questions:

Will we be expected to keep track of nonmagical ammunition not made of special materials?

I'm a little confused on how enhancement bonuses to armor and weapons are going to work. For example, if I wanted to buy, let's say, a vorpal longsword, do I buy it for 50,000 gp? Or will I be buying it for 72,000 gp as a +1 vorpal longsword, to which I then add my attunement bonus for a total of +4? Could I even get a plain +2 longsword and using attunement boost it up to +5?

I don't want to keep track of regular ammo as a player, you won't be made to do what I wouldn't want to as a player.

You'd spend the 50,000 GP to get it Vorpal.

I got an endless ammunition bow just for that purpose. Don't see myself hauling tons of arrows through the Abyss.

This is my last little debate. I could haul a bunch of arrows.... but I can shoot like 8 arrows in a full round or something like that. So I'd need like 1000.

Maybe more. LOL

The Jotunblood template adds 10 racial HD, is that okay?

Also, since I'm only going to end up with 3 CR left after, I think I'm going to add Graveknight as well, using the 'variant' of actively transforming into one, ala a lich.

Will probably take 1 level of Antpaladin, with the Iron Tyrant archtype. Would it be okay to do away with the CE alignment requirement, and be LE instead?

The Jotunblood template adds 10 racial HD, is that okay?

Also, since I'm only going to end up with 3 CR left after, I think I'm going to add Graveknight as well, using the 'variant' of actively transforming into one, ala a lich.

Will probably take 1 level of Antpaladin, with the Iron Tyrant archtype. Would it be okay to do away with the CE alignment requirement, and be LE instead?

How many hit dice would that total out to be?

So, having mostly finished my char, here is some dumb stuff that could have been done. Not saying that any of that would actually be a good idea.

Feeling much more confident in actually looking through the bestiary after I did my char, option paralysis go away :).

** spoiler omitted **

Quite enjoy the dumb stuff! One thing I noticed is that there is a psychic vampire monster. It is CR8 but has 7 levels of slayer. So in retrospect I could have had a lvl13 slayer, effectively getting a free +1 CR. But…it wasn’t the character and felt pointlessly cheesy.

I really like your Akatas find! Though I agree that it would likely cause rage from all involved. Until huge AOE blasts start hitting.

Bizan Ashura wrote:

Brolof wrote:

Belltrap wrote:

Two questions:

Will we be expected to keep track of nonmagical ammunition not made of special materials?

I'm a little confused on how enhancement bonuses to armor and weapons are going to work. For example, if I wanted to buy, let's say, a vorpal longsword, do I buy it for 50,000 gp? Or will I be buying it for 72,000 gp as a +1 vorpal longsword, to which I then add my attunement bonus for a total of +4? Could I even get a plain +2 longsword and using attunement boost it up to +5?

I don't want to keep track of regular ammo as a player, you won't be made to do what I wouldn't want to as a player.

You'd spend the 50,000 GP to get it Vorpal.

I got an endless ammunition bow just for that purpose. Don't see myself hauling tons of arrows through the Abyss.

This is my last little debate. I could haul a bunch of arrows.... but I can shoot like 8 arrows in a full round or something like that. So I'd need like 1000.

Maybe more. LOL

Yeah 8 attacks is nice.

Abundant ammunition spell is of course always a solution too.

Monkeygod wrote:

The Jotunblood template adds 10 racial HD, is that okay?

Also, since I'm only going to end up with 3 CR left after, I think I'm going to add Graveknight as well, using the 'variant' of actively transforming into one, ala a lich.

Will probably take 1 level of Antpaladin, with the Iron Tyrant archtype. Would it be okay to do away with the CE alignment requirement, and be LE instead?

How many hit dice would that total out to be?

Normally, 20, but with the ruling that you get HD = to your CR for a monster, it only works out to 15 as the Cyclops is CR 5.

Only a few days left! Or a week and a few days left depending on what you meant when you said next Saturday

Still working on my submission. Trying to figure out which direction I want to take my character, personality for a champion of such power as this is hard.

Yeah 8 attacks is nice.
Rapid Shot and Manyshot don't stack with Zen Archers flurry, so i only have 5-6 attacks, but those at full BAB and doing 6d8 damage from being a monk :P

Abundant ammunition spell is of course always a solution too

I took the mythic feats for all 3 arrow things so it's "6" attacks in Bloodrage but "8" arrows. It's a whole meme.

Abundant ammunition... Damn. Hoped it was a bloodrager spell- it is definitely not.

Meh. Lord forbid I work with a teammate for help with something if I'm picked :P

Perfect example- IF we have a bard, I'd totally kill the +1 to have endless ammunition. 100% worth it then <3

Still working on my submission. Trying to figure out which direction I want to take my character, personality for a champion of such power as this is hard.

I love helping people figure out character stories. Whole reason I've probably gm'd 10x more than I've been a player and!

My name :P

Not saying it has to be me- but I bet you just gotta talk it out with a few people and let it run. Get outta your own head type of deal.

Still working on my submission. Trying to figure out which direction I want to take my character, personality for a champion of such power as this is hard.

My character doesn't even really realize how much power he has. I man, when you're a dragon born to two deities, it's easy to think you're not that special.

As for my mythic path abilities, they were pretty simple:

Enduring Armor: No ASF, no worrying about dex, acp, sleeping in it, etc, and besides, money's tight and do you know how much armor for a dragon costs? Plus I don't have to buy new armor when I get bigger.

Mythic Smite: As a celestial, I only get smite 1/day. We're going into the Abyss to fight evil outsiders. I want more than one smite per day.

Divine Source: My parents can do this, so I figured I should too. (also, I'm short on casting so a pile of SLAs is handy.)

Fleet Warrior: Pseudo-pounce. Who doesn't want pounce? Especially when that lets me smite with the entirety of my bite/claw/claw/wing/wing/tail slap/gore (yes, gore. I bought an item) routine immediately.

Mythic Weapon Training (Natural Attacks): So that Weapon Focus and Improved Critical applies to the entire routine above.

Divine Source: More SLAs! One of these days I'll take Leadership and get my own cult. (also need to grab the Crusader path ability to bump up my cult's numbers. But that's more of a fluff thing for later when I'm famous for more than just being mom's Errand Boy Special Envoy.

Question:

Dual path Archmage.

“ Arcane Surge (Su)

As a swift action, you can expend one use of mythic power to cast any one arcane spell without expending a prepared spell or spell slot. If you prepare spells, this spell must be one you prepared today (even if you have already cast it); if you’re a spontaneous caster, this spell must be one of your spells known. If the spell requires a saving throw, any non-mythic creatures affected by the spell roll twice and take the lower result.”

Can I use this for psychic spells gained via templates?

This would lean more into psychic flavor. Looking over this character when he was a PC, and it would be nice to use mythic as a way of recreating his old psychic spells.

Abundant ammunition... Damn. Hoped it was a bloodrager spell- it is definitely not.

Meh. Lord forbid I work with a teammate for help with something if I'm picked :P

Perfect example- IF we have a bard, I'd totally kill the +1 to have endless ammunition. 100% worth it then <3

Yeah, it's not murderous enough for a BR spell. I think as long as you spare 1000gp for a pearl of power, or buy a wand of endless ammunition, no caster or even rogue with UMD will have a problem putting it on you. Some might just do it out the kindness of their hearts.

Eliana Carlova wrote:

Monkeygod wrote:

The Jotunblood template adds 10 racial HD, is that okay?

Also, since I'm only going to end up with 3 CR left after, I think I'm going to add Graveknight as well, using the 'variant' of actively transforming into one, ala a lich.

Will probably take 1 level of Antpaladin, with the Iron Tyrant archtype. Would it be okay to do away with the CE alignment requirement, and be LE instead?

How many hit dice would that total out to be?

Normally, 20, but with the ruling that you get HD = to your CR for a monster, it only works out to 15 as the Cyclops is CR 5.

That's fine then, as well as the alignment change.

Question:

Dual path Archmage.

“ Arcane Surge (Su)

As a swift action, you can expend one use of mythic power to cast any one arcane spell without expending a prepared spell or spell slot. If you prepare spells, this spell must be one you prepared today (even if you have already cast it); if you’re a spontaneous caster, this spell must be one of your spells known. If the spell requires a saving throw, any non-mythic creatures affected by the spell roll twice and take the lower result.”

Can I use this for psychic spells gained via templates?

This would lean more into psychic flavor. Looking over this character when he was a PC, and it would be nice to use mythic as a way of recreating his old psychic spells.

If you feel like using Mythic Power on it, then sure, I'll allow it.

Thinking it over, I'm going to switch things up a bit:

Instead of the cyclops+jotunblood combo, I'm going to go with a Noble Drow with the half-fiend and graveknight templates, and then the Iron Tyrant.

The Tyrant gets bonded armor at 5th level, which obviously combos nicely with the graveknight, which is unliving armor.

Base concept is still the same, an ambassador of Hell, who is looking to possibly carve out a piece of the Abyss for the Infernal realms, destroy as many demons, qlippoth, and other CE creatures as possible, and try and secure souls for Hell over the Abyss.

Some more questions:

1) What's the CR for a Noble Drow? I think the PFSRD has them at CR 3, but I thought I saw something different in here.

2) Can I switch out some of the SLAs the Noble Drow get, for spells of equivalent level? There's a line in their write up that says that's possible.

3) Should I pay the 25k for the graveknight's ritual, or is it subsumed in the CR cost?

Thinking it over, I'm going to switch things up a bit:

Instead of the cyclops+jotunblood combo, I'm going to go with a Noble Drow with the half-fiend and graveknight templates, and then the Iron Tyrant.

The Tyrant gets bonded armor at 5th level, which obviously combos nicely with the graveknight, which is unliving armor.

Base concept is still the same, an ambassador of Hell, who is looking to possibly carve out a piece of the Abyss for the Infernal realms, destroy as many demons, qlippoth, and other CE creatures as possible, and try and secure souls for Hell over the Abyss.

Some more questions:

1) What's the CR for a Noble Drow? I think the PFSRD has them at CR 3, but I thought I saw something different in here.

2) Can I switch out some of the SLAs the Noble Drow get, for spells of equivalent level? There's a line in their write up that says that's possible.

3) Should I pay the 25k for the graveknight's ritual, or is it subsumed in the CR cost?

1) They've got actual racial stats on AoN, they costs a level to pick because of the high amount of Race Points.

2) I suppose so, but I'd like to review the spells in question.

3) I'll say you don't have to pay the 25k. Since other people don't gotta pay massive amounts of gold for their templates.

Oh right wands....

Invisibility wand and endless ammuntion wands yesyes, will redo my items a bit i guess.

Ok, with abp we do not get stat booking items correct? But what about ioun stones?

All the ones that don't boost stats are good.

Thinking it over, I'm going to switch things up a bit:

Instead of the cyclops+jotunblood combo, I'm going to go with a Noble Drow with the half-fiend and graveknight templates, and then the Iron Tyrant.

The Tyrant gets bonded armor at 5th level, which obviously combos nicely with the graveknight, which is unliving armor.

Base concept is still the same, an ambassador of Hell, who is looking to possibly carve out a piece of the Abyss for the Infernal realms, destroy as many demons, qlippoth, and other CE creatures as possible, and try and secure souls for Hell over the Abyss.

Some more questions:

1) What's the CR for a Noble Drow? I think the PFSRD has them at CR 3, but I thought I saw something different in here.

2) Can I switch out some of the SLAs the Noble Drow get, for spells of equivalent level? There's a line in their write up that says that's possible.

3) Should I pay the 25k for the graveknight's ritual, or is it subsumed in the CR cost?

Reading through the graveknight... well if I do get in with you, I may have make a different character. Graveknight"s abilities will nullify my paladins ability to help the party unless everyone in undead. In which case there would be no point in playing a paladin.

That 30 ft aura is really nasty. As long as you are within 30 feet of me, no healing for anyone.

Can I assume there's a Mythic version of Fey Form with at least the basic benefits?

Maybe just have it mimic Monstrous Physique (which does this):

Monstrous Physique (All)

Source UM Each mythic monstrous physique spell must be learned individually, and you must know the respective non-mythic monstrous physique spell to learn its mythic version. You don’t have to learn them in order, and aren’t required to know a lower-level mythic monstrous physique spell before you learn a higher-level one (for example, you can learn mythic monstrous physique II if you know monstrous physique II, even if you don’t know mythic monstrous physique I). Each mythic monstrous physique spell adds the following benefits to its respective non-mythic version.

The spell’s bonuses to ability scores increase by 2 each, the natural armor bonus increases by 1, and the ability score penalties decrease by 2 each (minimum penalty of 0).

Alternatively, you can cast this spell on another willing creature, changing the range to touch and the target to one creature.

Augmented (4th): If you expend two uses of mythic power, the ability score bonuses increase by an additional 2. Additionally, you can cast this spell on other willing creatures, changing the range to touch and the target to one creature per tier.

So, damage output:

This is what I think I would do on average, full round.

TLDR: Compared the the more machine gun like other ranged attack submissions, I am more of an Anti Tank gun.

Just a bit of backstory, I'll let you all know something which is stated in Johann Sebastian Mastropiero's biography:

"When he wrote pieces in others' behalf or under a patron's demand, his works were all dull and of poor quality. On the other hand, when he worked under his own inspiration, he never got to write a single note."

Extract from a Les Luthiers show.

Thanks for the ruling. I’m quite happy with him now. When alive in the last campaign. Lokhir’s most common psychic spells were used to dispel, fly and protect himself in melee. Thanks to dual path champion/Archmage, he now has just that. It feels, to me at least, that the same character has been made into a monster. Different classes, but similar psychic tools. So thank you. :)

Also, I have to say…even for non full casters, Archmage has some *amazing* abilities!

* Enduring Armor = So…Damn…Good. Had to take it!
* Telekinetic Master = Didn’t take it. But being able to telekinetically move up to 35lbs at will is useful
* Eldritch Flight = Tier 6 fly speed? Yes. Just yes.
* Mirror Dodge = Haven’t taken it yet. But wow. A melee best friend.
* Sanctum (Su) = A lvl 7 arcane spell. For a non caster, it’s a great find.
* Many Forms = At-will alter self? Mythic point for polymorph. That is insanely useful. And at Tier 6 it is polymorph is at 60 minute duration. From a RP perspective this is impossible to beat. And practically? Be the best spy. Have fly/swim/climb/water breathing/other immunities on demand.

For a martial, Archmage can easily be a close second to Champion

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Also, for this PC I switched Antipaladin to Insinuator. It’s a downgrade for his fear…but it suits him better. Because it makes for the perfect assassin in the abyss. Commune with outsiders, and regardless of his employer become empowered to kill their enemies. It just fit too well not to take!

I was really hoping Champion would have some way of gaining me Point Blank Shot Master, but no dice.

I chose instead to pump the self heals and if it comes to it, tank it to the face. Lolol

I for one thought that I could use my Vampiric touch SLA through a Conductive Sniper rifle, which would have been hilarious, but no dice on that either :).

Since Lokhir posted a synopsis, I will as well as my base stats don't give a real idea of my actual fighting style:

Combat
* +22 Initiative.
* My crits auto-confirm, even vs Mythic and my crit multiplier is 17-20/x3
* Base weapon attacks (without PA, Mythic ability, or extra attacks) is +31/+26/+21 for 1d8+16
* After I hit an opponent, I can use Sense Motive (+28 vs DC of 10+their BAB) to gain either a +2 to hit or AC.
* I also make shaken opponents FF with a hit.
* When I use disarm, I also get regular damage with my weapon (minus my Dex mod), and my Disarm CMB is +41 (normal without any ability use).
*Legendary weapon with 6 power points. Most importantly, I can expend 1 PP to make all of my sword attacks Touch attacks for the round.
*Can use Dazzling Display as a move action +35 Intimidate. And anyone that I cause shaken to gets double the penalties vs me (i.e. -4 to hit and to saves vs my abilities). I can use normal Demoralize as a swift action.
*Any shaken opponent I hit, or any opponent (shaken or not) that I crit or succeed on a Combat Man against, has all moral bonuses suppressed for 5 rounds.
-damage is somewhat low, even with PA it is only +24, but I will hit often and cause debuffs.

Defenses
* SR only 22
* Standing in my shorts AC 35. However, once I start fighting, I use fighting defensively and CE which gives me a total of -1 to hit and a +16 dodge bonus to AC making my normal combat AC 51, almost all of which is Touch AC (44). Btw, that is with only a +3 armor bonus, so any bracers, spells etc. for armor above that will bump that up.
* Saves are decent with lots of situational modifiers.
* I also have the cool ability that if I save against an enchantment spell effect, I get to know the effect and the source. The caster believes the spell was successful and must act accordingly as long as I act like the spell worked. And Detect Magic will show that I am under the specific spell effect as well.

Weaknesses
* No flight
* Very little, if any ranged potential

Can I assume there's a Mythic version of Fey Form with at least the basic benefits?

Maybe just have it mimic Monstrous Physique (which does this):

Quote:

Monstrous Physique (All)

Source UM Each mythic monstrous physique spell must be learned individually, and you must know the respective non-mythic monstrous physique spell to learn its mythic version. You don’t have to learn them in order, and aren’t required to know a lower-level mythic monstrous physique spell before you learn a higher-level one (for example, you can learn mythic monstrous physique II if you know monstrous physique II, even if you don’t know mythic monstrous physique I). Each mythic monstrous physique spell adds the following benefits to its respective non-mythic version.

The spell’s bonuses to ability scores increase by 2 each, the natural armor bonus increases by 1, and the ability score penalties decrease by 2 each (minimum penalty of 0).

Alternatively, you can cast this spell on another willing creature, changing the range to touch and the target to one creature.

Augmented (4th): If you expend two uses of mythic power, the ability score bonuses increase by an additional 2. Additionally, you can cast this spell on other willing creatures, changing the range to touch and the target to one creature per tier.

There isn't that I've seen, but feel free to use the Monstrous Physique as a Mythic Fey Form. Just swapping out the "Monstrous Humanoid" for "Fey.

Ok, my character should look a bit like this:

-No attacks worth mention, other than firing his bow maintains his performance (Tuned Bowstring).

-Struggling to reach the 30s in AC.

-Saves between +15 and +18.

-No SR - at least not for now.

-Buuuuuut... he's totally undetectable when invisible. And he's got a lot of spell slots to spend on Invisibility.

-And yes, he can perform. Spending a Surge, he can boost his Inspire Courage to grant around +12 to attacks, damage and all saves.

-We already know he's good at Knowledges. Nothing new here.

Basically, a coward rat. But a useful rat.

* I also have the cool ability that if I save against an enchantment spell effect, I get to know the effect and the source. The caster believes the spell was successful and must act accordingly as long as I act like the spell worked. And Detect Magic will show that I am under the specific spell effect as well.

You good Sir have the same taste in wrist adornments as I have :).

Galahad0430 wrote:

* I also have the cool ability that if I save against an enchantment spell effect, I get to know the effect and the source. The caster believes the spell was successful and must act accordingly as long as I act like the spell worked. And Detect Magic will show that I am under the specific spell effect as well.

You good Sir have the same taste in wrist adornments as I have :).

Lol, I love those bracers...

Pretty much the same, but slightly different Mythic Faerie Form

Also, this of course needs to be approved by Brolof, but the Path of the Mystic exists for psychic magic users.

Just a note, Legendary Games was basically formed initially by a group of the people who worked on Mythic Adventures for Paizo, so that they could expand mythic content. As MA was pretty much a PHB, DMG, and MM all rolled into one, Paizo was severely limited in just how much they could put in there.

Ok, my character should look a bit like this:

-No attacks worth mention, other than firing his bow maintains his performance (Tuned Bowstring).

-Struggling to reach the 30s in AC.

-Saves between +15 and +18.

-No SR - at least not for now.

-Buuuuuut... he's totally undetectable when invisible. And he's got a lot of spell slots to spend on Invisibility.

-And yes, he can perform. Spending a Surge, he can boost his Inspire Courage to grant around +12 to attacks, damage and all saves.

-We already know he's good at Knowledges. Nothing new here.

Basically, a coward rat. But a useful rat.

+12 to all saves? S%+% +12 to all attacks in another 48 or more damage a round.

If we're both picked, I'm sticking close to you LOL

Jereru wrote:

Ok, my character should look a bit like this:

-No attacks worth mention, other than firing his bow maintains his performance (Tuned Bowstring).

-Struggling to reach the 30s in AC.

-Saves between +15 and +18.

-No SR - at least not for now.

-Buuuuuut... he's totally undetectable when invisible. And he's got a lot of spell slots to spend on Invisibility.

-And yes, he can perform. Spending a Surge, he can boost his Inspire Courage to grant around +12 to attacks, damage and all saves.

-We already know he's good at Knowledges. Nothing new here.

Basically, a coward rat. But a useful rat.

+12 to all saves? S+!@ +12 to all attacks in another 48 or more damage a round.

If we're both picked, I'm sticking close to you LOL

Like you need another +12! I was already wondering how you got yours so high.

Probably from being a paladin and fate's favored

Like you need another +12! I was already wondering how you got yours so high.

Hey man. I'm just a superstitious solo play half-orc. Certainly comes at a cost- A bard and myself without extremely costly and meta rage cycling will be the only way I buff myself, as my saves will almost certainly beat an allies spell DC without a 1.

Without rage I believe those all go down by about 10 or so.

To follow the Lantern blindly required sacrifice, dedication, a great desire to get hit in the face everytime I shoot an arrow, and of course the Lantern King's favorite-

A dose of madness.

I originally geared up for him to be a mortal herald, but the Lantern doesn't swing that way and he's snowflake enough lol.

Probably from being a paladin and fate's favored

Honestly fates favored only adds two. It became neat flavor instead of burning a feat.

Superstition and Unholy Resilience packed into a half-orc makes up +13- it's a good boy combo courtesy primalist.

Edit: I did provide a crunch sheet for his FINAL FORM as well, hopefully that works lol.

Alright, he's not 100% done, still need to flesh out my mythic abilities and I still have a few spare skill points laying around, but here's my entry so far. Feedback welcome!

Hadrhune, Shabti Ranger/Horizon Walker • Champion

I know it was ruled that ABP for those with monster levels/templates is calculated at 14 for weapons, but is it also 14 for armor? Being a tank build, kinda hope so.

Also, do we wanna start at first level for ABP, as opposed to 3rd? So that we get an extra 2 levels worth of bonuses? That would be another good way to further represent how powerful our PCs are.

As most monsters, don't you get a massive natural armor bonus nobody else gets anyway?

Lol, I love those bracers...

An absolute neccessity for a Lady of the midnight isles in particular, even for one as irrepressable as myself.

Uh, I just thought we might need a trap disabler... Is it ok to pick the Trapfinder trait?

Uh, I just thought we might need a trap disabler... Is it ok to pick the Trapfinder trait?

I have fairly high perception anyway (+8 racial). Which adds up to 32 after competence bonus from an item.

If I remove the pretty useful "+2 to most will saves while carrying a firearm" and replace it with trapfinder, I would probably also grab the trickster path ability "this may just work" and seriously become a skill monkey.

I'm currently debating if I want to swap one of my feats for Natural Spell, or if it would even be necessary. On the one hand, Rahlmaat did also go for the nice Many Forms Archmage path ability, both because I wanted her to be able to assume a humanoid form indefinitely in case she needed to spend an extended amount of time in places being Huge would be awkward and because being able to play "What am I really?" games with people seems in-character for her, so she may be spending a fair amount of time in shapes she can't spellcast in normally. On the other hand, she has Eschew Materials and Component Freedom, so... I'm not sure how many forms she actually wouldn't be able to cast spells in without Natural Spell anyway.

Oh, and Many Forms is technically not Wild Shape so she technically doesn't qualify for the feat.

A bigger question for the GM--do you mind if we haven't finished out things like purchasing equipment and picking spells known before you make the final cut? I kind of don't want to go through the effort of deciding on a ton of spells just to find out Rahlmaat didn't make the cut.

Jereru wrote:

Uh, I just thought we might need a trap disabler... Is it ok to pick the Trapfinder trait?

I have fairly high perception anyway (+8 racial). Which adds up to 32 after competence bonus from an item.

If I remove the pretty useful "+2 to most will saves while carrying a firearm" and replace it with trapfinder, I would probably also grab the trickster path ability "this may just work" and seriously become a skill monkey.

Saves against dire "partial" effects from traps that can't be disabled without trap finding, depending on GM style, won't do much.

For example if I were to double up on glyphs of fatigue in a hallway, we may all be forcibly exhausted in seconds.

I'm fine with people picking up Trapfinder as a trait.

Not picking up every single spell before the final cut is fine, it's more concept and broader builds I want than a fully finished thing.

Speaking of which, I realised I might not be finishing on time, since tomorrow is a hard day at job. So I decided to present what I've got, and see if I can find some spare time to finish it before or after the selection.

So Jereru presents Marcos Mundstock, the scholar bard, a work in progress (though much advanced).

A quick link to the real Marcos Mundstock. It's in spanish, but you get the thing I guess.