# The Avalon Chronicles Game Master lynora

This is a high level rules light game set in a school for magical kids, kinda a mash-up of Soul Eater, Harry Potter, and X-Men. :)

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Female awww, but that would be telling unknown
MisterLurch wrote:
lynora wrote:
Also 2+3=6 for certain large values of 2. Math is not as absolute as people like to think it is. :)
Lyn, I do not doubt you. I have never seen that proof. Could you show me?

It works with any numbers. It just means you are using a particularly daft method of rounding. It's often used as an example in math classes of how numbers can be manipulated to say what you want.

Female [Classified] Bard 16 / [classified] 16

"Proof" that 1 + 1 = 1

a = 1
b = 1
a = b
a2 = b2
a2 - b2 = 0
(a-b)(a+b) = 0
(a-b)(a+b)/(a-b) = 0/(a-b)
1(a+b) = 0
(a+b) = 0
1 + 1 = 0
2 = 0
1 = 0
1 + 1 = 1

Female awww, but that would be telling unknown

Lol. Yeah, like that.

And then there's the popular but less complicated example

2.4 + 2.4= 4.8
Round everything to the nearest whole number.
2 + 2 = 5

Math is a language, and like any language it can be manipulated. It's part of the fun of playing with numbers.

lynora wrote:

Lol. Yeah, like that.

And then there's the popular but less complicated example

2.4 + 2.4= 4.8
Round everything to the nearest whole number.
2 + 2 = 5

Math is a language, and like any language it can be manipulated. It's part of the fun of playing with numbers.

Hee hee. I'd call that with holding pertinent info!

Especially if the rounding and decimals are not listed or defined. Then we're in the realm of legalese. The point isn't missed though, and both characters have valid points from their potentially unique perspectives.

Their interaction so far reminds me of two different religious speakers defining *their* creation myths. Can get touchy!

Melody Waverider wrote:

"Proof" that 1 + 1 = 1

a = 1
b = 1
a = b
a2 = b2
a2 - b2 = 0
(a-b)(a+b) = 0
(a-b)(a+b)/(a-b) = 0/(a-b)
1(a+b) = 0
(a+b) = 0
1 + 1 = 0
2 = 0
1 = 0
1 + 1 = 1

The reason why this doesn't work is that (a-b) is a divide by zero. Any time you do a proof like this for division, you typically have to include the phrase "so long as the divisor != 0".

Source: I hate doing proofs.

(Interestingly, this could be considered a "Proof by contradiction" that you cannot divide by zero, since you allow division by zero, you get impossible results).

To further expound on what Lyn is saying: mathematics is a system developed by humans. People like to talk about math being the "universal" language and all that crap, but in reality, it works because math is a pre-ordained tautology generator. It follows rules that are defined logically by humans.

And, as Lyn pointed out, there's always a way to game the system.

Lyn also showcased why significant digits are important, for all you folks who hated that part of high school science.

POSTING TIME!

*sneeze*

Sorry. I'm allergic to math. :P

Anyways: Sorry I lied. I was incredibly tired last night. Posts now.

Reapling (scout form) rogue, black blooded oracle, gestalt lvl 16

There are two parts to math, pure math which is universal, and a math language to make complex math easier.

Pure math is things like 2+3=5.

Language math is like 2+3*6=20.

The language part is the symbols we use to represent numbers and parsing methods like order of operations.

Also, under no circumstances is 2.4 = 2. Rounding numbers is giving inexact values and rounding without saying you are rounding is lying. Which you can lie in math, but what makes math unique is that any lie you tell can be spotted as a lie.

One of the things I've been doing recently is to make my own math system where I change everything I can, such as order of operations, well, I haven't found any results that differ yet.

Drop it. This isn't helping things since we're using different thought processes.

Female [Classified] Bard 16 / [classified] 16

Of course there is always this:

Block Transfer Computations

A Block Transfer Computation was a mathematical process used to create objects and affect spacetime in other ways by the power of mathematic formulae themselves.

FUNCTIONING

Block Transfer Computations could create or re-create any object or spacetime event, provided enough mathematical information was supplied. The Computations could also re-create or even duplicate people. Adric, imprisoned by the Master in a hadron web, created an entire city and its people. Living creatures, like the Ceccec, could be made using Block Transfer Computation. Artificial intelligences could be made as well. Block Transfer Computation could even allow time travel, though it would require a quorum of twelve people.

Computers could not do Block Transfer Computations as the calculations themselves would alter the nature of the computer. Though they were working on technological means to do so, the Logopolitans were destroyed before they completed it. As such, organic life forms had to do the work as morphologically unstable living organic matter could handle the stress of reality-changes caused by block transfer mathematics. The Monitor's people spoke their computations aloud for this reason, but there were few others. The correct organic material could be found with Gallifrey, Axos, and possibly even Nestene matter.

Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

Actually...

In Pathfinder, and I believe all forms of D&D, when one rounds, you always round down.

Thus, 2.4 in PF does in fact = 2.

Male More Human than Human Rogue 10 / Fighter 6 / Shadowdancer 10 / Void Incarnate 4
♣♠Magic♦♥ wrote:
You aren't at Timegate are you? XD

That is a belated 'negative', young sir. (^-^)

Figment Narrator 20

Uugh
I want to be able to post why you're wrong, but that wouldn't mesh with his limited remembering of his old life
Hmm
How far from the school do the wards reach
Right now we're in the edge of the forest, barely within sight of the school

Also remember that two teachers are on route to our location having spotted the fire and heard the commotion I made

Female awww, but that would be telling unknown

Victory, please stop. Changing the definitions of things from standard accepted to your own and then being upset with people because they are not following your definitions makes conversation frustrating at best and is a very bad way to make friends.
(Strictly referring to the discussion in this thread. Haven't caught up on the game thread yet.)

The yellow boxes wrote:

Uugh

I want to be able to post why you're wrong, but that wouldn't mesh with his limited remembering of his old life
Hmm
How far from the school do the wards reach
Right now we're in the edge of the forest, barely within sight of the school

Also remember that two teachers are on route to our location having spotted the fire and heard the commotion I made

If you're off school grounds you aren't protected by the wards.

Female awww, but that would be telling unknown
Dragonborn3 wrote:
The yellow boxes wrote:

Uugh

I want to be able to post why you're wrong, but that wouldn't mesh with his limited remembering of his old life
Hmm
How far from the school do the wards reach
Right now we're in the edge of the forest, barely within sight of the school

Also remember that two teachers are on route to our location having spotted the fire and heard the commotion I made

If you're off school grounds you aren't protected by the wards.

I think the issue is that they're approaching school grounds and aren't sure where the line is. The thing is that it varies by side. In some places the wards extend a little ways into the woods and in other places they don't start until you get to the very edge of the woods.

Figment Narrator 20

So basically "as the plot demands?"

Reapling (scout form) rogue, black blooded oracle, gestalt lvl 16

Well, I already decided to since someone asked above. As far as I know I haven't redefined anything, though I filled in something left undefined in the basic rules (the see in darkness ability which lacks any kind of description beyond that the character can "see" in the dark and supernatural dark.) If something else I said has already been redefined as something else, I missed it somewhere. Well, I figure Vickory isn't entirely correct, but that is her.

Female awww, but that would be telling unknown
The yellow boxes wrote:
So basically "as the plot demands?"

Yeah, pretty much.

Female awww, but that would be telling unknown
Vickory West wrote:
Well, I already decided to since someone asked above. As far as I know I haven't redefined anything, though I filled in something left undefined in the basic rules (the see in darkness ability which lacks any kind of description beyond that the character can "see" in the dark and supernatural dark.) If something else I said has already been redefined as something else, I missed it somewhere. Well, I figure Vickory isn't entirely correct, but that is her.

This post makes no sense. The only mention of redefining things afaik was in my post and I was referring to your discussion in this thread. Not to any of your in character comments, posts, or ideas expressed in the game thread. I thought I clearly stated that I was talking about this thread. Argh. Whatevs, I need a break.

Figment Narrator 20

By doing what you said you are redefining things
1) magic is weird, it doesn't, and in my opinion shouldn't, always follow the same rules as normal physics (Arthur disagrees but whatever)
2) when it is stated that they see in darkness, even supernatural or total darkness, that's exactly what it means. They see regular color even when there is no light at all to see by
3) previous editions (1st and 2nd) had infavision as something entirely separate from dark vision, it followed different rules, notably being that it worked even when there was already light out, and could be used to tell how recently certain items were used, and could potentially be used to track someone
Dark vision just was something that happens when it's dark, I've always imagined the eyes producing some kind of ultraviolet or simply magical light that they used to monochromatic ally map their surroundings within that range, but I've never forced that imagining onto someone else

Sorry for the headache Lynn

Male sorcerer 16 wilder (leader/telepath) 3 elocater 2, thrallherd 1, pyrokineticist 10.

I was thinking about ways for Dave to get into that hanger, because both his sence of duty/rightness and his pride demand that he go in there, when I remembered
Pride,
What a wonderful time for pride to snatch him up,

Female awww, but that would be telling unknown
David.De'Foul wrote:

I was thinking about ways for Dave to get into that hanger, because both his sence of duty/rightness and his pride demand that he go in there, when I remembered

Pride,
What a wonderful time for pride to snatch him up,

Ooh, perfect! You wanna write that interaction or do you want me to run the patron for you? You've probably answered this before, but I forgot.

Yes, I hugged her. Get over it.

Con was fun. Met the actress that plays Missy in Doctor Who. Got a picture with her and an actress from the original series. Got some buttons (added to my collection nearing 200.) Got some TARDIS cufflinks for my nice shirt. Two tshirts, one Five Nights at Freddy's and one Steven Universe. Some bumper stickers for my car including the "Jarvis is my copilot" sticker from age of ultron.

It was a really great con. They had free food and there was loose candy in every room. Good guests and panels too. It's called Timegate, because it was originally a Dr. Who /and/ Stargate convention, but because it's been so long since there's been anything Stargate going on, it's basically all DW now.

Too bad you weren't there, Dale. We could've met up. :P

Male sorcerer 16 wilder (leader/telepath) 3 elocater 2, thrallherd 1, pyrokineticist 10.
lynora wrote:
David.De'Foul wrote:

I was thinking about ways for Dave to get into that hanger, because both his sence of duty/rightness and his pride demand that he go in there, when I remembered

Pride,
What a wonderful time for pride to snatch him up,
Ooh, perfect! You wanna write that interaction or do you want me to run the patron for you? You've probably answered this before, but I forgot.

i did answer, but that's fine

I would prefer you write the interaction, as I have yet to properly gain the skill of talking to myself required for interactions like this and for DMing

Both Doppelganger Except younger looking Factotum 16/Taskshaper 6/Chameleon 10(Gestalt)

One day, Ace will finally become a Champion.

One day...

Reapling (scout form) rogue, black blooded oracle, gestalt lvl 16

Is it just me, or does the paizo maintainence message say Wednesday, 25 Feb?

Male. Vaguely humanoid Ninja 3/Bard 1/Ranger 2/Scholar 1

I don't know, where do you find that?

Reapling (scout form) rogue, black blooded oracle, gestalt lvl 16

The main messageboard listing, at the top. It says maintainence is going to happen, just like when they normally run maintainence. It just has the wrong date.

Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

Eh, I wouldn't worry about the date. I'm sure the day is correct. Today is not only Memorial Day in the states, but also this weekend was Paizocon. Tomorrow the staff will be back to work and catch up on stuff, thus it makes sense Wed is the maintenance day.

Also, knew Repp couldn't be trusted!

BUT!!

I have a new NPC idea:

Master Squirrel :)

Image Male Fuzzy Little Squirrel Wild Caller Summoner/Sorcerer

*cough*

Changeling Kineticist 1

Heh, yeah, Mr. Leaffur has that title already.

Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

Entirely different concept sir lol

Male Gnome
Monkeygod wrote:

Also, knew Repp couldn't be trusted

I dunno what you are talking about. Completely innocent over here. And being held against my will mind you.

I'm going to try really hard not to get distracted today guys. Just leaving work and dedicating some time to posting when I get home. :)

Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

See, I would totally believe Repp save for two things:

1) It was one of Sunwakes that realized he was something other than he seemed

And 2) His player claimed posts were incoming last night, but they never appeared, thus making anything said by eitiher doubly suspicious and suspect :p

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Monkeygod wrote:

See, I would totally believe Repp save for two things:

1) It was one of Sunwakes that realized he was something other than he seemed

And 2) His player claimed posts were incoming last night, but they never appeared, thus making anything said by eitiher doubly suspicious and suspect :p

1) Tamrin's just getting crotchety and paranoid in his old age.

2) Yeah.... hate that guy. What a flake.

...

>_>

...

<_<

IS THAT SOME SORT OF DEMONIC DUCK?

Damiani wrote:
FCD, did you want me to draft up a description of the room yer feisty Firebird walks into?

If you're interested, sure. Could add some fuel to the fire, as it were. :)

Repp, the Bleached wrote:
Monkeygod wrote:

Also, knew Repp couldn't be trusted
I dunno what you are talking about. Completely innocent over here. And being held against my will mind you.

Probably use the process of 'shoot first, res and question later', around here.

Tyrants! Like the ones they fight! Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Or too many Game of Thrones viewing later, they distrust the short folk.

But what about Zeppler? He's short and I just realized I never really trusted him either so never mind.

Reapling (scout form) rogue, black blooded oracle, gestalt lvl 16

Careful, rez isn't a sure thing, you risk losing the ability to question.

Vickory West wrote:
Careful, rez isn't a sure thing, you risk losing the ability to question.

Depending on the damage done, there's always Speak with Dead!

;D

Male Shaman(Nature) 6/Green Faith Acolyte 10/Ranger(Spell-Less) 16(Gestalt)

Man, poor Silinrul just wanted to entertain the Chosen One, but nobody seems to care.

This what you get for trying to be a nice guy....

Male Gian&Nero Half-Fiend Half-Celestial All Elf 3 cleric 3 wizard 10 mystic theurge / 8 fighter 8 gunslinger

Don't talk about people not caring. I've been waiting on you for several pages now. :P

Yea, I know, I've just been stuck trying to figure out how to reply.

Male sorcerer 16 wilder (leader/telepath) 3 elocater 2, thrallherd 1, pyrokineticist 10.

Hey Lynn, what info were you looking for?

Female awww, but that would be telling unknown
David.De'Foul wrote:
Hey Lynn, what info were you looking for?

No, I'm trying to let Dave get info. Like maybe a vague clue as to what he'd be teleporting into. :P

Should've mentioned this earlier, but I did think about that, and the school would have a better plan than "no teleports."

The specific wards it set up are "no teleports out and no teleports in from outside of the school. Teleports in from within the school by registered staff and students only."

Male sorcerer 16 wilder (leader/telepath) 3 elocater 2, thrallherd 1, pyrokineticist 10.
lynora wrote:
David.De'Foul wrote:
Hey Lynn, what info were you looking for?
No, I'm trying to let Dave get info. Like maybe a vague clue as to what he'd be teleporting into. :P

how would he get such info?

M Air Touched Human Bender 12/monk 4/sorcerer 2/enlightened fist 6

Hey sun, Mindori (weird autocorrect tried to get me to say "nudity") would you like to see Chao as a sparing partner?

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