But his defenses are too much.
Half elemental damage, -20 from all damage, no cold, -30 more from all elements but sonic.
But but he doesn't fast heal 10 crit damage!
Anyhoo, I'm gonna stop now, and let Lyn get caught up.
This may be a non-issue.
Got errands to run...
Guys all you just said, pounding down on lynoras plate this stuff could have been said with PMs to me, and off her read list.
I'm not presuses about Toby, if one or two of you send me a PM saying his over powered then I have no problem changing him,
But this is not that, this to much more like mock the player Wombat and it's not cool at all. It feels like your acting like a pack who's smelled blood please stop. That being said I would like to make clear 2 things.
1: I am more than happy to change Toby, or any of my pcs to fit game.
2: if you have a problem with me or my PC please send me a PM so Lynora dos not have to deal with it.
Please I ask you respect me and other players who make mistakes.
I suppose you're right, there were more civilized ways to go about this.
I suppose it's easy to assume the worst of people, especially when you've seen similar things, but with actual "malice".
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Sorry for starting this avalanche of posts
Looking further it appears to be based on a CR 16 creature that had it's size changed one point, health boosted and stats buffed (eg it's dex is increased by 15) claw damage increased and it's turned into a quadruped
That said a CR 16 is supposedly able to take on 4-5 level 16s
And this one is, according to it's lore, suposedly able to devistate armies with only small numbers of themselve
It seems we were just expecting a CR 9-12 or less, and this CR 16 is rather on the high end of it's CR to say the least
I suppose. A question was asked that started a convo.
Nothing to apologize for, really.
But if you want PMs, that's fine.
Cool Dave
PM coming your way, Dave Your help would be much appreciated.
Toby is under redesign by means of PMs, please let's not fill up the discussion board with posts about this, but by all means PM me any ideas.
I just don't want to needlessly take up Lynoras time reading stuff that can be done v PMs .
For now Tory is just a robot dog, who carries Halos clothing,
Thanks
Wombat
That said a CR 16 is supposedly able to take on 4-5 level 16s
And this one is, according to it's lore, suposedly able to devistate armies with only small numbers of themselve
No, a cr 16 is supposed to provide one encounter for a group like that.
You typically will run into 2 or 3 cr 16's a day at level 16, if not more.
I don't think the offense, aside from the crit range and multiplier, is overpowered.
That's fighter-with-a-bow level damage.
The defenses are what scare me- i can't think of any counter to hardness 20, aside from sonic psionics.
Cool!
Can we still make Voltron? :)
Just to be clear, the only thing that was concerning to me was that it SEEMED as though you tried to sneak it past Lynora.
That is not giving you the benefit of the doubt, and I apologize for that.
For the sheer silliness of this, I would fully expect if I had a character and it was that over the top, I'd expect someone to say something and poke fun at me. Seriously.
The Voltron and other comments were meant to have fun at your expense but not meant to hurt your feelings.
when I said you'd defeat the gunslinger, there's of course more to this harrowing journey =D
sorry... I'm swamped.. I'll get in a few posts tonight
Adamantine.I don't think the offense, aside from the crit range and multiplier, is overpowered.
That's fighter-with-a-bow level damage.
The defenses are what scare me- i can't think of any counter to hardness 20, aside from sonic psionics.
Only ignores hardness less then 20.
Then again, we do have someone here who has a mind-effecting illusion no-save or die.
Who? What?
Happy Father's Day to all those who did their part!
For the rest of you, get to it so you can join in the special day of thanks!
Weeee!
Who? What?
Yeah dunno who that is either.
Can't remember her name, but the elf, heavens oracle/scorcerer?
If you have enough HD, or are immune to mind effecting, you're immune, but if not, then tough luck.
Of course, she has poor physical stats and is kinda frail, from what i know.
Not literal save or die, but close, because unconscious Pritty much equals dead, because CDG is a thing.
Tyrrin Denulia?
Oh, that's just a serious deduction to the Save roll, is all.
Fairly easy to counteract, but it's not as you put it, save or die.
You had me worried there. :)
Oh, that's just a serious deduction to the Save roll, is all.
Fairly easy to counteract, but it's not as you put it, save or die.
You had me worried there. :)
I wasn't referring to color spray, but a different spell.
If you don't have at least 17 HD, you're unconscious from this spell, no save.
This is a death sentence- just make a CDG- a auto-hit auto-crit attack that forces a save equal to the damage dealt or death.
Don't have at least 23, you're stunned for 1d4 rounds, and then confused for 1d4 rounds, no save.
This is a death sentence, so long as there is anyone with competent offense around.
Don't have at least 26 HD, you're confused for 1d4 rounds, no save.
This isn't a "death sentence" but it's really, really debilitating, and forces you to attack whomever attacked you last- no running, no other option.
And of course, if her CHA gets buffed, these HD limits go up.
Don't take this as complaing about her- i moreso am just saying that when i rememer her, i remember this setting's power benchmark.
I feel a lot less "threatened" by the dog remembering this.
It's a level 8 spell after all.
You're nearly into the Wish categories.
The fact you have no save, I believe, is easily countered by the fact it's Mind Affecting, and requires visuals (cover your eyes/don't look), etc.
If you don't see the Lights, effectively, they don't do squat. And bring some friends, cause, unless you're all even level in HD, they'll be affected first, up to her level in HD.
Which is 16 HD. So, basically -- 16 town folks. Or the mayor and 13 more people, if he's a 3rd level mayor. ;)
It's really not that big a deal, imho. Only assassin minded rogues go at it alone, you're usually in a party with friends, or she's on YOUR side after all. :)
Here is Toby remade
Its now a Robot Vehicle X Combat Scout Mech with all but his Claws Decommissioned. She used him to get round and as a Body Guard when needed.
Idea is she's so weak right now, she hids in him to get away from danger.
No more big teeth and blasters
This is what Toby and Halo look like together
but with out the Gass Gun.
It's a level 8 spell after all.
You're nearly into the Wish categories.
The fact you have no save, I believe, is easily countered by the fact it's Mind Affecting, and requires visuals (cover your eyes/don't look), etc.
If you don't see the Lights, effectively, they don't do squat. And bring some friends, cause, unless you're all even level in HD, they'll be affected first, up to her level in HD.
Which is 16 HD. So, basically -- 16 town folks. Or the mayor and 13 more people, if he's a 3rd level mayor. ;)
It's really not that big a deal, imho. Only assassin minded rogues go at it alone, you're usually in a party with friends, or she's on YOUR side after all. :)
Execpt you subtract 10 from everyone's HD, because awesome display.
And yeah, lots of villans are immune to mind effecting, because most mind effecting spells are save-or-lose, and no one want's thier villain one-shot.Also, closing your eyes doesn't make you sightless. This has been discussed before, actually...
Here is Toby remade
Neat.
^_^Sorry for snapping at you earlier.
I've got to remember to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, not just those that Have been here a while.
Here is Toby remade
Constructive criticism:
Since it's a "creature" and not an "object" shouldn't being made of adamantine give DR x/- instead of hardness?Look at the rules for using adamantine for creating armor:
Adamantine: Mined from rocks that fell from the heavens, this ultrahard metal adds to the quality of a weapon or suit of armor. Weapons fashioned from adamantine have a natural ability to bypass hardness when sundering weapons or attacking objects, ignoring hardness less than 20 (see Additional Rules). Armor made from adamantine grants its wearer damage reduction of 1/— if it's light armor, 2/— if it's medium armor, and 3/— if it's heavy armor. Adamantine is so costly that weapons and armor made from it are always of masterwork quality; the masterwork cost is included in the prices given below. Thus, adamantine weapons and ammunition have a +1 enhancement bonus on attack rolls, and the armor check penalty of adamantine armor is lessened by 1 compared to ordinary armor of its type. Items without metal parts cannot be made from adamantine. An arrow could be made of adamantine, but a quarterstaff could not.
Weapons and armor normally made of steel that are made of adamantine have one-third more hit points than normal. Adamantine has 40 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 20.
Type of Adamantine Item Item Cost Modifier
Ammunition +60 gp per missile
Light armor +5,000 gp
Medium armor +10,000 gp
Heavy armor +15,000 gp
Weapon +3,000 gp
So it'd have an AC of 31 with DR 3/-, but hardness wouldn't really come into play unless someone tried to sunder Toby's armor plating.
Right?
Well, some constructs have harness, like me.
I think your right Ill change it
DR3/-
Hardness 20 V sunder
Well, some constructs have harness, like me.
That's cool and all, but I think hardness is supposed to be for objects, DR is for creatures.
Meh, I could be wrong.
That's cool and all, but I think hardness is supposed to be for objects, DR is for creatures.Meh, I could be wrong.
Typically, this is indeed the case.
Animated objects (whitch are tenchically creatures), and clockwork creatures use hardness, though.
Lets not start the hole DR V Hardness thing again, YIKES!
Clockwork Dragon, Mage and Steed (bestiary 4) do not have a hardness value listed. They have DR x/adamantine.
Which clockworks?
It's all good Wombat. I'm asking so that I know how this works.
Dave Gave me the idea to use Toby this way, Thanks Dave
I'm incredibly strong defense wise because of the synergy between my race and this template, but my hp is lackluster, and i can't heal myself within any reasonable amount of time.
Dr 10/evil and silver
And hardness 10
So An adamanite +5 weapon bypasses both,
+5 bypasses one
Adamantine bypasses the other.
Strong, high ac melee characters may be able to do scratch damage against me to death too, as i don't heal naturally, and my to-hit isn't terribly stellar.
Alright makes sense. It's a special case.
Hardness used in this way is effectively DR 10/- anyway.
What's his AC?
Alright makes sense. It's a special case.
Hardness used in this way is effectively DR 10/- anyway.
What's his AC?
34, 38 if you're evil.
Anything with Hardness also applies it to elemental damage and halves all elemental damage, except cold, witch is 1/4, and hardness is separate, so it apples with the dr.
He does have a large weakness though, and that's that any failure of a save against a electric effect dazes him.
(Though he is immune to spells of 3rd level or below)
Yeah, or a devil gunslinger with a unholy gun shooting adamantine bullets :P
But I don't know any of those.
Yeah, or a devil gunslinger with a unholy gun shooting adamantine bullets :P
But I don't know any of those.
So long as the gun is also +3 (sliver) yeah, that works.
He has... Let me check..
Assuming max hp, 160 hp.
His touch ac is 16, so bullets will really wipe the floor with him.
OMG it's almost 1 am. Night!
Yeah, or a devil gunslinger with a unholy gun shooting adamantine bullets :P
But I don't know any of those.So long as the gun is also +3 (sliver) yeah, that works.
He has... Let me check..
Assuming max hp, 160 hp.His touch ac is 16, so bullets will really wipe the floor with him.
Meh won't matter, Casseus is CN. He wouldn't do that.
And I don't think his gun is unholy anyway.
I didn't Expect real pvp, I'm just talking about the theorycraft we've got going,
It's 1:44 where i am.
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Also, closing your eyes doesn't make you sightless. This has been discussed before, actually...
Where was this discussed, because that doesn't sound right (except for some really bright lights).
So, Foul, wanna place bets on when Durkon breaks free of Durkula, and how? My guess is that Belkar will be essential...
Extra points if you can figger out how I fuggered out that you read OOTS.
What kind of capabilities or supplies could I find in this supply room Jeran mentioned?
I figure it unlikely they would have armor that would fit Vickory, much less the kind of powered armor she is used to.
But figured I would ask, what kind of limits or themes might apply to this.
Iolth, the wards would prevent said brawl and send the participants to detention.
So, Foul, wanna place bets on when Durkon breaks free of Durkula, and how? My guess is that Belkar will be essential...
Extra points if you can figger out how I fuggered out that you read OOTS.
im guessing you read this profile
Or you frequent the thread "new oots page up"