<loads pistol>
Yep.
If Mel starts singin' Minmei songs, Im'ma shoot her in the face. Fair warning.
I can both join you IC and OOC, with Tryko'Sam, and myself.
"I got your back, hommie."
Them's death begging songs. Just saying.
Can someone verify the following occurred in a quick succession, for me, while I drive home?
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1.) Argument in the room with Firebirds.
2.) Serrin casts Deeper Darkness.
at some point, either prior to after 2.) two others arrive (Halo and Shoshin)
3.) Shoshin intimidates the Tall Thin Guy.
4.) Iolth suddenly stumbles onto the scene... eats the Deeper Darkness.
and ...
There's been more talking, Sorchan's called for peace and quiet, having walked back from the lunch room behind the other two, so between 2.) and 3.) or 4.) even.
Just a 'yes' or 'no', would help.
I'm going to try reply with Tall Thin Guy, but, progression of time is kind of key after Serrin's casting. Multiple spells have gone off, or abilities used, while some folks are in limbo for reacting to the darkness and skill use which typically takes a minute.
Thanks!
Cheers.
Halo and Shoshin showed up prior to 2, yes I did intimidate tall and thin guy (I was waiting on a reply to that to be honest), yeah you've pretty much got it right
As far as the Lynn Minmay songs. I don't think they are suited to Mel, but....
Kim is about to come into the school....
As far as the Lynn Minmay songs. I don't think they are suited to Mel, but....
Kim is about to come into the school....
This is nothing to joke about. Minmay is the devil incarnate, and anyone who destroys any aspect of her, is a righteous person and afforded all forgiveness in the acts to accomplish such.
Be triply warned. No good comes of Minmay.
None.
oh when Mel is involved then that's great you want to join.
but along comes Kim and its suddenly demon spawn from Heck.... :)
Sorry guys, I was awayt for the weekend for both Father's Day and my Dad's 60th birthday. Twas a busy weekend!
Sorry guys, I was awayt for the weekend for both Father's Day and my Dad's 60th birthday. Twas a busy weekend!
Hope you had fun. :)
oh when Mel is involved then that's great you want to join.
but along comes Kim and its suddenly demon spawn from Heck.... :)
If you are referring to me, it's the threat of Minmay that beckons for "closure". Nothing to do with specific characters-- invoke the she fiend or her 'music' and there'll be violence.
If you didn't mean me, then... Please press on, nothing to see here.
oh when Mel is involved then that's great you want to join.
but along comes Kim and its suddenly demon spawn from Heck.... :)
If you are referring to me, it's the threat of Minmay that beckons for "closure". Nothing to do with specific characters-- invoke the she fiend or her 'music' and there'll be violence.
If you didn't mean me, then... Please press on, nothing to see here.
actually I did, and it was meant as a joke (i think I put a smiley there.... ahh yes it is there...
but in all seriousness, I have no intention of using any of that stuff by either character.
oh when Mel is involved then that's great you want to join.
but along comes Kim and its suddenly demon spawn from Heck.... :)
If you are referring to me, it's the threat of Minmay that beckons for "closure". Nothing to do with specific characters-- invoke the she fiend or her 'music' and there'll be violence.
If you didn't mean me, then... Please press on, nothing to see here.
actually I did, and it was meant as a joke (i think I put a smiley there.... ahh yes it is there...
but in all seriousness, I have no intention of using any of that stuff by either character.
Minmay threats are srs bizness. Investigate all and purge, no mercy.
For whoever is interested, back in various hours.
Cheers.
Tybs that last post reminded me of this
:(
<troll face>
:P
Mel tries to get Tybs to focus, Kai broke up with me, but, I still love him,
Even though I've made out with Arthur, like .... fifteen seconds after I found out.
I will still be there when he needs me. I won't forget him. But I love him in a different way now, a way that I now will learn to live with. but I haven't given up on him.
But I love him in a way where he is now just a friend... Boy don't I hope that the whole journey to become a better person means that he will understand and not totally snap...
Mel tries to get Tybs to focus, Kai broke up with me, but, I still love him,Even though I've made out with Arthur, like .... fifteen seconds after I found out.
I will still be there when he needs me. I won't forget him. But I love him in a different way now, a way that I now will learn to live with. but I haven't given up on him.But I love him in a way where he is now just a friend... Boy don't I hope that the whole journey to become a better person means that he will understand and not totally snap...
Heh.
Does Tybs really read as being that clingy?
I'm really trying hard to not write it that way.
I write it one way and he seems totally distant and uninterested and then I write it another and he's clingy and annoying. I just can't get it right, and I'd rather have him clingy than like he totally doesn't care at all.
This is really hard for me to do right, as I simply haven't felt this way before. I'm basically working off of movies and books as to what this is supposed to be like, and those always end nominally well, so trying to do this realistically, I just don't really know what to do. :(
Mel tries to get Tybs to focus, Kai broke up with me, but, I still love him,Even though I've made out with Arthur, like .... fifteen seconds after I found out.
I will still be there when he needs me. I won't forget him. But I love him in a different way now, a way that I now will learn to live with. but I haven't given up on him.But I love him in a way where he is now just a friend... Boy don't I hope that the whole journey to become a better person means that he will understand and not totally snap...
first of all it was not make out. it was a quick little peck.
and you don't know what will happen when he comes back.
and gee lets not forget the attempt on the clothing girl in town, while getting a suit for our date...
BTW this is OOC Mel has no idea about that in town, nor where Kai is right now.
Well, skills can be easy to ramp up, even without tweaking or min/maxing.
Let's take a Human, at 6th level, he's a diplomat, with an 18 to Charisma. Class is Bard.
6 ranks in diplomacy, +3 from being a class skill, +4 from an 18. Bare minimum is +13. Add in feats and a trait, an item or two, and its easy to come close to +20.
So, no, its not disgusting, its the system, period.
The system is designed to scale from common real life type people to demi-gods (in all but name). Most players don't realize that the max a real life person would be in this system is lvl 5. (well pathfinder might be lvl 4 since they up powered several things.) Einstein was lvl 5 expert in Knowledge (physics). Anything beyond that is beyond normal humans, which is fine for a game, but it shouldn't be confused with normal people being that high.
Read The Alexandrian's Calibrating Your Expectations, to know more.
Basically it is a mistake to think that "the system can do it so obviously it must be normal," Which is an incorrect statement. The system can handle a lot, but that doesn't mean it is intended for that great amount to be normally reachable by natural means.
In any case still catching up.
By all this I really just mean that an Olympic athlete from real life would be seen as an amateur (a not very good one at that) in world like Agartha where lots of people leave real life humanity in the dust.
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You mistake my point entirely Vickory. I meant, within the Pathfinder ruleset, for PC, such a high bonus is not disgusting, it's normal.
In a regular game, where there are only ever the starting players, barring needing a replacement those PCs are the only ones to exist in the world. Thus, they are incredibly unique and tend to stand out. Even established NPCs, be they from a company like Paizo or ones the GM makes up for his own game, are still not nearly as special as the PCs. If for no other reason than they act in a totally independent manner.
As to how or why the PCs in Avalon are that way, well, any number of reasons, each specific to a character.
Ace is, at least in part, blessed by his deity. This is true for any divine character. Perhaps that's exactly the reason why they can easily exceed mortal limitations.
Silinrul is likewise blessed by the Spirit of Agartha, plus has a powerful artifact bound to his heart.
Serrin may or not have been the result of a powerful curse. However she, much like another PC I am creating, have levels in Sorcerer. The bloodline that grants them their powers can easily also be the reason they can push past the norms.
Also, remember, beyond level one, everything is gained via leveling aka adventuring. Which, by it's very nature, entails you doing things so far beyond normal, it's fantastical. You are literally facing challenges nobody else in the world is capable of overcoming, thus you will push yourself past normal limits to achieve success.
Finally, magic. No seriously, it's real in D&D/PF. If logic can't satisfy your needs for a good answer, then magic.
Oh and out sheer curiosity, what is Try'ko Sam and Anihita here to learn? I expect them to be in classes and posses practically no ranks and very low bonuses to all their skills.
Holy hell! I was gone for a week to finish settling my father's affairs and I have over 500 new posts to read. I will get there eventually.
Well, skills can be easy to ramp up, even without tweaking or min/maxing.
Let's take a Human, at 6th level, he's a diplomat, with an 18 to Charisma. Class is Bard.
6 ranks in diplomacy, +3 from being a class skill, +4 from an 18. Bare minimum is +13. Add in feats and a trait, an item or two, and its easy to come close to +20.
So, no, its not disgusting, its the system, period.
The system is designed to scale from common real life type people to demi-gods (in all but name). Most players don't realize that the max a real life person would be in this system is lvl 5. (well pathfinder might be lvl 4 since they up powered several things.) Einstein was lvl 5 expert in Knowledge (physics). Anything beyond that is beyond normal humans, which is fine for a game, but it shouldn't be confused with normal people being that high.
Read The Alexandrian's Calibrating Your Expectations, to know more.
Basically it is a mistake to think that "the system can do it so obviously it must be normal," Which is an incorrect statement. The system can handle a lot, but that doesn't mean it is intended for that great amount to be normally reachable by natural means.
In any case still catching up.
By all this I really just mean that an Olympic athlete from real life would be seen as an amateur (a not very good one at that) in world like Agartha where lots of people leave real life humanity in the dust.
Excellent reference article. Thanks for pointing it out, Vickory. Helps a ton.
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Oh and out sheer curiosity, what is Try'ko Sam and Anihita here to learn? I expect them to be in classes and posses practically no ranks and very low bonuses to all their skills.
Anahita was sent specifically to the school to experience and grow as a being. Plus learn more of herself and interactions with others. Which, so far, I'm doing well there in that respect from the RP so far. People may have noticed she's quite wet behind the ears in many regards, but not so much in others.
Tryko'Sam is in the school due to it's unique properties and nexus of 'powerful folk', more for a plot reason regarding his sordid history, plus, due to the potential loss of memory (which will happen frequently, I suspect), he's gonna be (re)learning a lot, over and over.
As for your expectation of my characters, I expect you will be disappointed frequently.
:)
Which is 100% fine, you play them however you want.
It's just interesting that it seems your main two PCs have nothing to truly learn at the school, yet you give other players/characters a hard time over them being "super characters" with nothing learn.
Which is 100% fine, you play them however you want.
It's just interesting that it seems your main two PCs have nothing to truly learn at the school, yet you give other players/characters a hard time over them being "super characters" with nothing learn.
I find your definition of 'nothing to truly learn' the source of your faulty (IMHO) thinking here. But, hey, missing the point happens a ton-- happens to me too. Seems to happen a lot even after writing a post with the words of "Anahita was sent specifically to the school to experience and grow as a being." (which reads as 'learning' to me) and "he's gonna be (re)learning a lot, over and over." which even has the word 'learning' in it. Go figure. :) I've the sense my posts get skimmed or out right ignored a ton, glad to see that happening again.
I was attempting the conversation earlier, about skill levels and such, to find out people's thoughts on what they introduced (to me) as young people, or folks without a ton of life experience. To me, all I saw were individuals who had their sheets filled out, stats placed, etc., without (to me) a history known yet, that would suggest they have gotten sixteen levels of "experience".
Now, mind you-- yeah, 'its the system. its the setting.' Got it. I wasn't talking about stats as much as talking about concepts and how those concepts are represented.
I mean, even the 'children' characters are what? 10th, or so level? Got it, works for me, that's the setting.
It certainly wasn't a complaint, usually people take my inquiries and talking as such, but rest assured-- complaining is pointless and a waste of time in my humble opinion. You can vent your distaste, which is perhaps a complaint, but either you move to fix something that you view is wrong, or accept it and move on.
That's why I have these discussions, on the discussion board. To sort out my thoughts and get other's opinions and thoughts. The challenge has been understanding people's points sometimes.
Vickory's article helps a ton, and fits along with my own feelings and thoughts-- which was refreshing and most helpful.
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Minmay threats are srs bizness. Investigate all and purge, no mercy.oh when Mel is involved then that's great you want to join.
but along comes Kim and its suddenly demon spawn from Heck.... :)
If you are referring to me, it's the threat of Minmay that beckons for "closure". Nothing to do with specific characters-- invoke the she fiend or her 'music' and there'll be violence.
If you didn't mean me, then... Please press on, nothing to see here.
actually I did, and it was meant as a joke (i think I put a smiley there.... ahh yes it is there...
but in all seriousness, I have no intention of using any of that stuff by either character.
So I should do male version Minmay songs? I shall keep this in mind. :P
So I should do male version Minmay songs? I shall keep this in mind. :PMinmay threats are srs bizness. Investigate all and purge, no mercy.oh when Mel is involved then that's great you want to join.
but along comes Kim and its suddenly demon spawn from Heck.... :)
If you are referring to me, it's the threat of Minmay that beckons for "closure". Nothing to do with specific characters-- invoke the she fiend or her 'music' and there'll be violence.
If you didn't mean me, then... Please press on, nothing to see here.
actually I did, and it was meant as a joke (i think I put a smiley there.... ahh yes it is there...
but in all seriousness, I have no intention of using any of that stuff by either character.
Same applies. Invoking the Minmay in any form is tantamount to begging for a violent eradication. :)
You mistake my point entirely Vickory. I meant, within the Pathfinder ruleset, for PC, such a high bonus is not disgusting, it's normal.
In a regular game, where there are only ever the starting players, barring needing a replacement those PCs are the only ones to exist in the world. Thus, they are incredibly unique and tend to stand out. Even established NPCs, be they from a company like Paizo or ones the GM makes up for his own game, are still not nearly as special as the PCs. If for no other reason than they act in a totally independent manner.
As to how or why the PCs in Avalon are that way, well, any number of reasons, each specific to a character.
Ace is, at least in part, blessed by his deity. This is true for any divine character. Perhaps that's exactly the reason why they can easily exceed mortal limitations.
Silinrul is likewise blessed by the Spirit of Agartha, plus has a powerful artifact bound to his heart.
Serrin may or not have been the result of a powerful curse. However she, much like another PC I am creating, have levels in Sorcerer. The bloodline that grants them their powers can easily also be the reason they can push past the norms.
Also, remember, beyond level one, everything is gained via leveling aka adventuring. Which, by it's very nature, entails you doing things so far beyond normal, it's fantastical. You are literally facing challenges nobody else in the world is capable of overcoming, thus you will push yourself past normal limits to achieve success.
Finally, magic. No seriously, it's real in D&D/PF. If logic can't satisfy your needs for a good answer, then magic.
Oh and out sheer curiosity, what is Try'ko Sam and Anihita here to learn? I expect them to be in classes and posses practically no ranks and very low bonuses to all their skills.
I caught that, though really, I think players get too caught up in comparing their PCs to other PCs, when judging how good they are. In combat terms that works, but when it comes to skills or interacting with the game world, I think it causes misconceptions. Players start thinking of really high rolls as "normal" which then requires even higher rolls to fee like they are getting "great" rolls and lose focus of just how high those rolls really are.
Rolling 25 as a kid is disgustingly powerful, perhaps not for PC to PC (which age doesn't really matter for this comparison), but when compared to the world it is, and thus peoples subconscious idea of how powerful is powerful drifts upwards from comparing to the exceptional instead of comparing to the "normal."
@ Damiani
Glad you enjoyed the article. He has several great articles which I have gone through a number of times in developing my own game system.
However, I am curious about this Minmay, and why the animosity? Though I never heard of her before this conversation caused me to do a search and listening to one song so far has shown me only that she seems to be a standard anime singer. Am I missing something?
(personally I go for Versailles Philharmonic Quintet for Japanese music)
I read every.single.discussion post, unless it veers into something that has nothing to really do with the game, or is overly complicated, such as some of the tech or philosophy conversations.
Thanks for ass-u-me-ing the worst about me though. That's always nice...
As I am on my phone right now, I can't easily go back to show the specific point I am trying to make, but I am almost home.
@ Damiani
Glad you enjoyed the article. He has several great articles which I have gone through a number of times in developing my own game system.However, I am curious about this Minmay, and why the animosity? Though I never heard of her before this conversation caused me to do a search and listening to one song so far has shown me only that she seems to be a standard anime singer. Am I missing something?
(personally I go for Versailles Philharmonic Quintet for Japanese music)
I'd have to say the Minmay 'hate' (too soft a term, imho) is partially joke, and again -- srs bizness. *glare*
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Thanks for ass-u-me-ing the worst about me though. That's always nice...
...
"Hey, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck."
That was my filter and reason for posting what I did, went with probability, nothing assumed, rest assured.
Though I appreciate the attempted insult. :D You do go for the jugular often, don't yah, MG? That's a perception I have of you.
Damiani, and Monkeygod.
May I borrow your brains for a moment?
Damiani: You are extremely specific and quite focused upon your own characters. This is a /good/ thing, I like your characters and what you are doing with them. However, You do often seem to hold your characters to a standard that is different than what you demand from others. Your characters are not (necessarily) overpowered, overintellegent, over-whatever, but I have noticed that discrepencies that you create with your characters are not explained and you call up an 'I'll explain later' excuse, but will not accept that from others.
-not criticizing, just hoping to show you other peoples view points.
Monkeygod: You get your characters singled out over every other characters because you know how to build and create the most powerful characters (it seems without much effort) and so I understand why you are unhappy when others 'break' the rules/complain about the powers of others when their characters are bordering the same problem. Your characters are very believable as well as being powerful, and I understand why you appear to be touchier than others when people are not holding themselves to the same standards.
-not criticizing, just hoping to show you that other people are capable of understanding.
Damiani & Monkeygod:
Do you really think that your argument is going to change anything about the other? You have both dug in your heels and this 'discussion' is about to explode into an argument and I do not believe our Lynora would appreciate reading that.
So would you please both calm down, grab a coffee, and find something nice to say.... or take it to PMs
... snip ... what you demand from others. ... snip ...
Demand?
How have I demanded anything? People posting more, I've requested, sure. Demand? No, don't think so.
That's something I'd like to see explained.
In other words, in a level 16, no-cap on players setting, what did you expect in power?In terms of power, nothing, in fact, I routinely think some people are a touch too gross for the setting, but, those are the 'twinks' as I call 'em. Doesn't bother me in the least.
In terms of story/character, for people going to a school-- a ton more naïve, or ignorant, wet behind the ears, innocent and wide-eyed folks. People who can grow, not simply have some 'issue' that needs psychology or a good magical restraint.
Students after all, and teens* at that.
* - excluding non-humans, who have their own society growth. I.e. Elves, being in their hundred years or so, at that 16 mark.
Here we go.
Now, my point is, sure, your main two PCs can "grow" but its all social issues, and with Try'ko, seems at least to somewhat fall into the "psychology or a good magical restraint" category.
Why are the attending the school? I mean, if all Anihita needs to learn is social interactions, she could just as easily learn that by traveling the world more.
Try'ko is barely a student. He disappears a lot, goes off on adventures and wants to party.
Its like you're OK with any reason for your PCs to be here, but seem to want some far more stricter reasons for everybody else to attend Avalon.
Now, this could easily just be a misunderstanding, but that is definitely how you come across to me.
Oh and for the record here are why my three PCs are in the school:
Ace is here for specific reasons which will eventually be revealed in game.
Sil originally came to find Jai and bring her back to their tribe, but is now forced to stay due to his fae wings appearing out of this back. He'll be taking classes to learn to become a better leader and learn more about the world.
Serrin just had her planet destroyed and is now enrolled in the school. She has problems controlling her shadow magicks. Also needs to grow as a person socially. Due to forced lock up, spent most of her life reading and self-teaching. Could take non magickal classes, to round out her education.
Lastly Telling other players, even without calling them out by name, "too gross" and referring to them "twinks" is insulting and straight up rude.
In terms of power, nothing, in fact, I routinely think some people are a touch too gross for the setting, but, those are the 'twinks' as I call 'em. Doesn't bother me in the least.
In terms of story/character, for people going to a school-- a ton more naïve, or ignorant, wet behind the ears, innocent and wide-eyed folks. People who can grow, not simply have some 'issue' that needs psychology or a good magical restraint.
Students after all, and teens* at that.
* - excluding non-humans, who have their own society growth. I.e. Elves, being in their hundred years or so, at that 16 mark.
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Why are the attending the school? I mean, if all Anihita needs to learn is social interactions, she could just as easily learn that by traveling the world more.
Notice-- I'd written this in an earlier post, and evidence (perhaps) of you not actually paying attention to what was written:
"Anahita was sent specifically to the school to experience and grow as a being."
Nothing about 'all Anahita needs to learn is social interactions'. She was sent. She had no choice in the matter, and, there's a reason she hasn't left even after acquiring the freedom that being a Champion brings to teleport instantly anywhere in existence. External forces, which haven't been revealed too overtly, yet touched upon, keeping her here. More to it than your simplified summation of her situation. Again, thanks for ...reading what's been written.
Try'ko is barely a student. He disappears a lot, goes off on adventures and wants to party.
Again, "Tryko'Sam is in the school due to it's unique properties and nexus of 'powerful folk', more for a plot reason regarding his sordid history, plus, due to the potential loss of memory (which will happen frequently, I suspect), he's gonna be (re)learning a lot, over and over."
Pretty clear cut there. It's due to the school. It's due to the nexus of 'powerful folk', and for plot reasons he's here. I.e. there's a story behind it I hope one day to share, or explore further. If that doesn't happen, so be it. Worse things have happened.
Plus, hey-- he's the frat boy in High School, the party guy, the rebel and what not, per his actions so far. Lots of those guys exist in High School and in real life, books/movies, and they pay the price for their delinquency, in theory.
Its like you're OK with any reason for your PCs to be here, but seem to want some far more stricter reasons for everybody else to attend Avalon.
No want. Just expressing my feelings and thoughts. Never any demands on others. I challenge anyone to point to where I made demands. Just expressing my thoughts and feelings and seeing what others think and feel-- which seems to turn into accusations and labels, like ...ass.
Now, this could easily just be a misunderstanding, but that is definitely how you come across to me.
I hope repeating what was written will help you ...uh, grasp what you read, finally. Not sure what other option there is.
Lastly Telling other players, even without calling them out by name, "too gross" and referring to them "twinks" is insulting and straight up rude.
I'm being rude by sharing thoughts?
You find the term 'twink' insulting, it's akin to being a munchkin, or a min-maxer. Oddly enough, I don't see that being insulting at all.
As for the 'too gross' comment, that's specifically towards "the setting" and I stated at the end of that line, "Doesn't bother me in the least."
Then, if you re-read what you quoted, I'm speaking about the characters that have been presented as young people, which Serrin fits the build of, by the way if that helps you understand my perceptions. While various other 'youths' don't. Mind you, I did qualify some folks as, due to their being non-human, invalidate this concern. Sure, I only listed an Elf as an example, but ... one could reasonably include any other non-human into that. Safe assumption there.
Hope this helps explain my side of things... in some cases, again. Happy to express and share thoughts, any time. That's why I tend to ask questions, it's for interaction. The whole point of playing games with other people.
Damiani and Monkeygod. Take your discussion to PMs please.
well looks like my RL game had to cancel due to 2 players down with stomach bug, so I will be here tonight instead.
Does Tybs really read as being that clingy?
I'm really trying hard to not write it that way.
I write it one way and he seems totally distant and uninterested and then I write it another and he's clingy and annoying. I just can't get it right, and I'd rather have him clingy than like he totally doesn't care at all.
This is really hard for me to do right, as I simply haven't felt this way before. I'm basically working off of movies and books as to what this is supposed to be like, and those always end nominally well, so trying to do this realistically, I just don't really know what to do. :(
Yes.
His posts read like someone who needs a ton of therapy before they will have anything to offer a partner.Work on his self confidence, his self image, that doesn't revolve or depend on what other people think of him.
That's what a therapist would tell him.
Speaking as someone who needs a ton of therapy.... Tybalt is not that bad... he doesn't possess an uncontrollable urge to stab idiots and @$$holes
what about the people that GET stabbed by idiots and A-holes
Survival of the fittest....
Survival of the fittest....
that would explain government...
Survival of the fittest....that would explain government...
It's the way of Life!
Plus you get puppies and other adorable things. :D
You get puppies which are cute... and then are eaten