Does Tybs really read as being that clingy?
I'm really trying hard to not write it that way.
I write it one way and he seems totally distant and uninterested and then I write it another and he's clingy and annoying. I just can't get it right, and I'd rather have him clingy than like he totally doesn't care at all.
This is really hard for me to do right, as I simply haven't felt this way before. I'm basically working off of movies and books as to what this is supposed to be like, and those always end nominally well, so trying to do this realistically, I just don't really know what to do. :(Yes.
His posts read like someone who needs a ton of therapy before they will have anything to offer a partner.
Work on his self confidence, his self image, that doesn't revolve or depend on what other people think of him.
That's what a therapist would tell him.I do have to agree with this. And have heard this kind of thing from a therapist before.
It doesn't exactly help that emotionally abusive relationships are often romanticized in fiction aimed at young adults. (Gives Twilight the stink-eye.) So there's this twisted idea of what romance actually is in our culture and it doesn't match up to a healthy relationship on any level.
I think Tybs has been getting some good advice from both Keme and Mel who are pretty much telling him the same thing. Give Dave some space, believe in yourself, figure out who you want to be on your own first, don't force things, you have people here who care about you, etc. But, very realistically, Tybs isn't listening to a word of it. Not sure what's going to give him that lightbulb moment of 'the only person I can change is me' but that's what he needs to really move forward in a positive direction. Willing to have Mercy step in with a pep talk if that will help.
Just to add to this, I think Tybalt's gotten similar advice from Tryko'Sam too. But, hey, he could be easily ignored.
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Noted, will do.
I ceased after both Death Keeper and Mister Lurch effectively requested such.
Won't take being insulted though, and I'm fairly sure I didn't do that- twink and munchkin use not with standing.
well Mel came up with a plan in gameplay to get Tybs to have an affect with helping someone. which is also to help serve mending any ill feelings between Tybs and Ace.
which I am unsure why Ace was zapped to the scene in the first place but he's there so best make him useful.
Go go relationship guru Mel. :)
To be perfectly honest, this isn't so much Tybs being an idiot than it is me failing as a writer.
To be blunt and honest, I'm used to being able to talk my way into nearly anything. My science teacher called it the gift of gab. But, the thing is that it doesn't work on other people that are ≤ as smart as me. They see through it, or aren't as easily swayed.
So, between being rather out of my element on being able to work things to go my way and as you have said, my woeful misinformation on relationships, I'm simply not writing this as I should, as is normal, and as Tybs would actually be. :(
(Yes I realize that it sounds like I'm complaining about not being able to manipulate people. Not complaining. Just explaining my situation. And I also only use my powers for good. :P)
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On a more or less unrelated note, you reminded me of this and I need to ask before I forget again.
As Mercy is kind of dependant on being in reaction to thing happening, I was playing it that Mercy could key Tybs in on things he needs to do or know. This being like when he offered Tryko'Sam and Melody the "just wish/call for me and I'll be there." Is this too cheat for Mercy to pull off? I know the Patrons can send messages, but I was wondering if this kind of tipping off was too much?
Re: skill rolls and power levels:
I think that there are some basic misconceptions floating around here about how we use mechanics like skills in this game and also about the power level of the setting, so I'm gonna try to clear things up.
Skills are all but irrelevant here. You will notice that I do not require skill ranks as part of the stats I expect people to have done when I review their character. In fact, I have come out and outright said on multiple occasions that I don't bother checking skills when I review a character. When my characters use a skill roll all I ask is, is this something they are trained in...if yes, I assume they have max skill ranks, if no, I assume they have no skill ranks....I never ever bother to write them all out. And generally skills are used at all in two scenarios. One, a PvP kind of situation (not necessarily a fight, but stuff like stealth, bluff, etc. that are best rolled to avoid arguments) or Two, a performance in which it is trying to be determined how an audience might react. In the second case, a result of say a 25 would be pretty impressive to people who weren't trained in that skill, but if the 25 comes from rolling a 3, then people who are trained in that skill will probably notice the flaws and the person performing might be disappointed in how they didn't really put forth their best effort and might say they were nervous or distracted or something to explain it. Option two there is totally a flavor thing and completely utterly optional. No skills are truly necessary. Sometimes they help settle arguments. Remember, rules light. We only use a barebones skeleton of the entire ruleset.
Now, on to the setting. The setting itself is more powerful than you're giving it credit for. Remember that this is a high magic, high tech setting that was originally colonized by people who were by and large above average/out of the ordinary. Don't get lulled into thinking that outside of the school everything is as you would expect it in a standard campaign setting. Some of the ordinary, not very powerful folks in this setting would be the extraordinary folks in a normal campaign setting. It's not just Avalon, although it's taken to an extreme there because it tends to be the gathering place for all the most powerful people.
To be blunt and honest, I'm used to being able to talk my way into nearly anything. My science teacher called it the gift of gab.
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So I see you have kissed the Blarney Stone as well.
I wish...
But, I am actually about 2/3 black haired Irish. Dark hair, blue eyes. I can even pull off a half decent accent.
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Lolth, what.... what just happened?....
Gentle reminder on the infirmary wards again...
You'll settle in soon enough, but it's just a thing to remember. :)
I wish...
But, I am actually about 2/3 black haired Irish. Dark hair, blue eyes. I can even pull off a half decent accent.
cool lets hear some!
[Accent]Just run this through a text to speech.[/accent]
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*facepalm*
To be perfectly honest, this isn't so much Tybs being an idiot than it is me failing as a writer.
To be blunt and honest, I'm used to being able to talk my way into nearly anything. My science teacher called it the gift of gab. But, the thing is that it doesn't work on other people that are ≤ as smart as me. They see through it, or aren't as easily swayed.
So, between being rather out of my element on being able to work things to go my way and as you have said, my woeful misinformation on relationships, I'm simply not writing this as I should, as is normal, and as Tybs would actually be. :(
(Yes I realize that it sounds like I'm complaining about not being able to manipulate people. Not complaining. Just explaining my situation. And I also only use my powers for good. :P)
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On a more or less unrelated note, you reminded me of this and I need to ask before I forget again.
As Mercy is kind of dependant on being in reaction to thing happening, I was playing it that Mercy could key Tybs in on things he needs to do or know. This being like when he offered Tryko'Sam and Melody the "just wish/call for me and I'll be there." Is this too cheat for Mercy to pull off? I know the Patrons can send messages, but I was wondering if this kind of tipping off was too much?
I don't think you're failing as a writer. I'm trying to give feedback on what you were saying because you're not getting the reactions you expected. I think that Tybs's current self-pity is oh, so very realistic. (Wishes I could burn those horrible journals written during my so very dramatic teen years out of my memory...) The way you are writing Tybs is very reminiscent of those journals. Very dramatic, very emotional, a bit desperate for approval, convinced that no one else understands. I think the fact that you're evoking actual adolescent feelings means that you're succeeding at writing for Tybalt. What he isn't is the character you expected him to be. He's got a lot of things on his plate right now. He's trying to figure out his gender identity, his sexuality, his relationships to the people around him, how to deal with his powers, and how to not beat himself up when he fails to meet his own high expectations. That's a lot of heavy stuff. Developing self awareness and self confidence are not easy things to do in the first place let alone with handicaps like that. But that's what he needs to move in the direction you want him to go. So I think that for you the next step needs to be finding some way for Tybalt to have that moment of realization in order to grow into the person you envision him becoming.
And yeah, that's more than Mercy will do for him. It might work in a dire situation if Mercy was paying attention/in a good mood/it lined up with her ulterior motives (Patrons can be difficult to deal with at times.), but I certainly wouldn't count on it as a regular thing. He might want to find some kind of magic item that can be used to summon him or something instead.
0 retention.
Alright, so as soon as the shoggoth hit me, I would go to the infirmary, yes?
However, there could be a good reason for why Iolth wasn't automatically teleported to the infirmary. As was mentioned before, Iolth's magic doesn't play well with that of the school's, and so for the first day or so, it will malfuction a bit while trying to handle the power of-mmf! *gets yanked off stage.*
0 retention.
Context?
I thought the lake was on school grounds and within the wards?
Alright, so as soon as the shoggoth hit me, I would go to the infirmary, yes?
However, there could be a good reason for why Iolth wasn't automatically teleported to the infirmary. As was mentioned before, Iolth's magic doesn't play well with that of the school's, and so for the first day or so, it will malfuction a bit while trying to handle the power of-mmf! *gets yanked off stage.*
You only get ported to the infirmary if you're seriously injured. Otherwise they expect you to walk in on your own.
I think the best explanation is that the shoggoth attack is all in his mind. He's literally creating a semi-real illusion versus himself. And looks totally demented from the outside fighting with his breakfast.
That said, wtf? He was all excited about the tour and then just wanders off right before the group leaves for the tour? Slow down and let people interact with you. Remember not to rush ahead. You end up playing by yourself and it leads to troublesome situations. It's a fast moving game, yes, but try to be a little bit patient too.
I guess if this is realistic, OK.
I have no idea for what to do with an aha moment that is needed.
Open to suggestions.(of the helpful variety)
I thought the lake was on school grounds and within the wards?
It is. But the murderer is luring people off the grounds from outside the school. So far he hasn't lured anyone from inside the building. That's why they're worried.
I guess if this is realistic, OK.
I have no idea for what to do with an aha moment that is needed.
Open to suggestions.(of the helpful variety)
Well, Mel is trying to provide one through the joy of helping others.
And as I said, Mercy can always provide a pep talk if needed.
It just needs to be something that gives him a little push and a little perspective.
*facepalm*
YAAAAAARGH!
I really need to slow down. Hold on a sec, gotta delete that post.
0 retention.Context?
Memory.
Memory.0 retention.Context?
I forgot?
Indeed.
Memory.0 retention.Context?
Seriously.
Say cheese
Irony.
I get that one, but apparently there's issues with Tybs finding himself in helping people too. At least people have said so before.
Up until now, I've been operating on the idea that Tybs was a decent character and that his flaws were the ones I gave him... so I'm really not entirely sure where I need to be going with a revision. I guess more independent? Self confident?
"Tybalt.... Would you like to make a deal?" The silver masked man asks with a voice that shows a cunning smile even though you cannot see it
Tybs, stick with mel, i'll make a man out of you
Sorry no link, you should all know the song by now
*aims finger gun*
Yes! He doesn't need to be a cocky asshat like Dave or Ace.
But he does need a better sense of self worth. To be comfortable in his own skin, whether he's helping other people or just chillin' by himself (no pun intended). To understand that the only person he can control is himself, and if he won't let himself be content, he won't ever be happy.
Tybs can be that way and sacrifice very little of his core personality, he just won't be as clingy or needy.
Tybs, stick with mel, i'll make a man out of you
Sorry no link, you should all know the song by now
In just seven days?
Tybs, stick with mel, i'll make a man out of you
Sorry no link, you should all know the song by now
I'm switching between two responses:
1) YOU MUST BE SWIFT AS A COURSING RIVER, WITH ALL THE STRENGTH OF A GREAT TYPHOON!
and
2) But if you do that, Renkai will shoot me...
I get that one, but apparently there's issues with Tybs finding himself in helping people too. At least people have said so before.
Up until now, I've been operating on the idea that Tybs was a decent character and that his flaws were the ones I gave him... so I'm really not entirely sure where I need to be going with a revision. I guess more independent? Self confident?
That's it exactly. I think the issue in the past with him finding himself in helping others is that he's been more losing himself in helping others or trying to force others to feel better. But this time maybe he can gain some insight from taking the focus off of himself and his problems. Let him discover that he can genuinely help people because of who he is, and maybe start to get the idea that who he is is actually a good thing. Once he develops more confidence and has a better sense of who he is on his own then other things will naturally follow. Things might not go the direction he expects, but sometimes the surprises turn out to be better.
One of the things that will majorly help this is getting into what he feels is his right body.
The frozen part will stay, but either getting his item or... ooh...
I might not need the item...
Plan...
OK, so this is the emotional part he needs to start it.
Then when he thinks that it's better for him to be here and help the people here and he can actually do that, he won't leave as I had as a possible outcome.
Next step is helping him deal with who he is.
If Mel could determine what he is supposed to look like at age 17(as he is more or less mentally) using some sciency or timey thing, could Settro make him that way permanently/for now? I want to help bring him into the story a little more and it means Tybs can be a little more confident now as opposed to weeks from now. This also eliminates the wishy washy ness on the gender thing. He is who he is and that's what he will be.
In just seven days?Tybs, stick with mel, i'll make a man out of you
Sorry no link, you should all know the song by now
Funny. :)
Two things:
1. Scar from Fullmetal Alchemist is awesome.
2. Out ofbcuriosity, did Bradely the Boldly Idiotic ever get lessons on how to control his malefaction from Balamor?
I think I need to roll for a Sanity loss soon... The question is, how many dice?
OK, so this is the emotional part he needs to start it.
Then when he thinks that it's better for him to be here and help the people here and he can actually do that, he won't leave as I had as a possible outcome.Next step is helping him deal with who he is.
If Mel could determine what he is supposed to look like at age 17(as he is more or less mentally) using some sciency or timey thing, could Settro make him that way permanently/for now? I want to help bring him into the story a little more and it means Tybs can be a little more confident now as opposed to weeks from now. This also eliminates the wishy washy ness on the gender thing. He is who he is and that's what he will be.
I know nearly every polymorph spell in existence.
If that doesn't cover it, i can pull out limited wish.
Two things:
1. Scar from Fullmetal Alchemist is awesome.
2. Out ofbcuriosity, did Bradely the Boldly Idiotic ever get lessons on how to control his malefaction from Balamor?
It was actually Rosa. And not control, so much as manage. He basically just hides on the roof now hah.
Just starting work, so posts in a bit.
Wouldn't that be "kit" genosuke?
If you lower yourself to human designations of things they don't understand, yes.
Well, you used the term "pup"...
Just out of sheer curiosity, are Fei's last six levels still classified?
Wondering if maybe they were figured out and Dalesman just hasn't bothered to update or just forgot. If they are still unknown, perhaps I could make some suggestions.
Well Mel's classified stuff is pretty much open now, but I haven't updated. yet