It's quite late.
Yes, you arrived very late in the evening, and then sat and studied with Cronin into the wee hours, its probably 2-3 AM or something.
So about the next day, Goliath has indicated that he wants to head out asap. I think it's better if we got shopping first. It won't take a ton of hours to visit the various shops so we should still be able to spend a full day on the road.
Yes if the girl Jopple arrives she can lead you through the shops.
yeah you guys can feel free to shop. I don't need anything.
So uh, what are we waiting on? I thought we were waiting on Simon/Goliath to deal with the docks before we get there... Though Kiki still has her storyline too...
Yep, we are waiting for at least Simon/Goliath, and maybe Kiki.
Yeah I wanted to see if I move those stories along, but I will proceed with the two of you.
I usually check in on weekends, but it's not a priority and this weekend was really busy. That topped with a busy morning here at work. All caught up now.
Last day online till Monday. Merry Christmas all. I may check in if I have a chance.
I think it will be a slow posting period over the holidays. Have fun!
Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas all!
Merry Christmas!
Happy Boxing Day!
As for shopping, mostly I'm hoping to pick up magic items, but if that isn't possible it would be nice if we could turn all the saved wealth we have into actual gear through crafting. Despite our fortune we are quite behind in terms of wealth per level.
For mundane gear the most important is probably weapons for Kiki, Xanya would also like a mithral breastplate (or chain shirt), though none of those are likely to be possible. A composite longbow with a high enough strength rating would be nice for Xanya, but slapping the adaptive property on one is probably going to be easier, but that is unlikely to be found as well. What is realistic to find though is some backup weapon for Xanya for times when she can't charge and we face enemies with DR. A silver Earthbreaker and a Cold Iron Greatsword would be ideal.
Can't we at least proceed to the shopping next morning while we wait for Kiki to finish? Just waiting is pretty boring.
I don't think not resting stops you from getting spells, that's just for witches/wizards/arcanists.
Haven't used any spells today anyway so won't matter.
I had hoped someone else would post something too, but I guess I'll just go ahead and post...
Hi. I'm here. I just really haven't been inspired for doing paizo stuff lately.
And there's not been much for me to reply to either. Simon doesn't really need any supplies.
Great to hear from you, even if it is such sad news. Hopefully we can get past this shopping swiftly and onto more interesting things. Though after we leave the city it won't be as much opportunity for roleplaying and interacting with npcs. I thought that is what you preferred?
Just to be clear I don't mind the shopping and stuff. Just playing Goliath as I think he would be. Don't want to hurt any feelings :)
That's cool, Quassine will or will assist in making something for Goliath!
Loot so far that I have recorded that you have acquired:
stuff from the battle with giant/gnolls/centaur:
Medium Breastplate, Masterwork Lance, Longbow, 40 arrows
Large Half Plate, Large Greatsword, Large Composite Strength longbow (+10 bonus) (Goliath's claim), 40 large arrows.
12x Longbows, 12x Leather Armor, 12x Greatswords, 480 arrows
12x ( Bedrolls, Flint n Steel, Waterskins, Mess Kits, Sacks)
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Mimic Loot:
Coins 444 pp, 1391 gp
Gems
Amethyst (120 gp)
Aquamarine (500 gp)
Aquamarine (550 gp)
Black Pearl (450 gp)
Carnelian (35 gp)
Chrysoprase (60 gp)
Deep Blue Spinel (90 gp)
Green Spinel (55 gp)
Ivory (45 gp)
Onyx (45 gp)
Tourmaline (90 gp)
Zircon (60 gp)
Masterwork Items
Masterwork Morningstar (308 gp)
Magic Items
Scroll of Command (25 gp)
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chest
28 pp, 220 gp, 240 sp, 1600 cp
Oil of Bless Weapon (50 gp)
Potion of Sanctuary (50 gp)
Scroll of Guidance (12 gp 5 sp)
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troll
50 gp in coins
Gem: Aquamarine (400 gp)
Gem: Chrysoberyl (100 gp)
Gem: Red Spinel (55gp)
Gem: Zircon (50 gp)
Masterwork Dagger (302 gp)
Let me know if this seems right.
It's correct, I just didn't want to figure out the weight for Goliath to carry but it sounds like we were able to get all back;
Medium Breastplate, Masterwork Lance, Longbow, 40 arrows
Large Half Plate, Large Greatsword,
10x Longbows, 12x Leather Armor, 12x Greatswords, 400 arrows
12x ( Bedrolls, Flint n Steel, Waterskins, Mess Kits, Sacks)
I personally don't have the time to figure all the weight out. I removed our claims. Were there more like the lance for Xanya?
Here is the break down of the coin and gems;
Coin:
472 pp, 1661 gp, 240 sp, 1600 cps
Current 5-way Divvy without Gems and Liquidation of Other Assets:
94 pps, 332 gps, 48 sps, 320 cps
Party Loot without Gems and Liquidation of Other Assets:
2 pps, 1 gps
Gems/Jewels:
Gem: Amethyst (120 gp)
Gem: Aquamarine (500 gp)
Gem: Aquamarine (550 gp)
Gem: Black Pearl (450 gp)
Gem: Carnelian (35 gp)
Gem: Chrysoprase (60 gp)
Gem: Deep Blue Spinel (90 gp)
Gem: Green Spinel (55 gp)
Gem: Ivory (45 gp)
Gem: Onyx (45 gp)
Gem: Tourmaline (90 gp)
Gem: Zircon (60 gp)
Gem: Aquamarine (400 gp)
Gem: Chrysoberyl (100 gp)
Gem: Red Spinel (55gp)
Gem: Zircon (50 gp)
MAGIC ITEMS:
(1) Scroll (Command, Caster Level 1)
(1) Potion of Sanctuary
(2) Oils of Blessed Weapon.
(1) Seige Scepter - Loaned out to Cliffort for Study or shall we fetch the gem worth?"
MISC Items:
Masterwork Dagger (302 gp)
Masterwork Morningstar (308 gps)
For the information on item creation he received, what can Quassine create? Everything within my CL?
An amulet/body wrap of Mighty Fist, and a Handy Haversack or a Bag of Holding 1 would be nice.
CL is usually not a requirement for crafting. Even the things listed as requirements can be overcome by beating the check by 5 more. If no one else does it I'll try to figure out exactly how much we have after liquiditation and also make a list over useful gear we could craft (it'll be the same as the items I listed in the post, just in list form).
To craft wondrous items you just have to make the spellcraft check for the item. As Xanya mentioned the DC increases by 5 for each prereq you do not have.
In terms of making stuff on the road. If you have an idea of what you will be making you can purchase the raw materials and work on it as you go. You of course need the base item you will be enchanting, and it usually has to be masterwork, so you have to buy that or make it yourself. The rest is just general magical stuff like herbs, candles, rare metals and other distilled essences, and so on. You can probably purchase most of that ahead of time, and have it be generic enough to be able to be used for most magic items. You would just say that before you left town you bought say 5000gp worth of magical enchanting 'stuff' and then on the road you can use to make items that you have also bought, acquired or created.
Does that make sense?
It still makes you somewhat dependent on civilization, but lets you plan for things a little bit.
Magic item creation just requires a comfortable quiet and well lit place.
I am trying to get a more specific list of what we can and can not make. Since I know GMs use the CL for pre-made higher level characters, I made the suggestion.
Goliath has the 40 large arrows as well or the bow is no good. Also I spent 1pp from the 2pp of party loot at the bar for some libations and the trouble.
I am trying to get a more specific list of what we can and can not make. Since I know GMs use the CL for pre-made higher level characters, I made the suggestion.
You can attempt to make any wondrous item in the book if you have the cash to make it and can make the spellcraft check. The check is usually the CL of the item + 5. It increases by 5 for each prerequisite you don't have (usually its only ability to cast certain spells, sometimes there are others though, such as certain feats or a race).
Am I answering the question?
Yes thank you, just making sure I am covering both the role playing and rules aspect of the game.
Yeah, I like to have a little more than just dump a bag of money on top of the item to be enchanted and ta-daa! But I don't want to get super detailed like some other editions of D&D where they spelled out exactly the components you needed, and making a magic item was a quest or five in and of itself ( there is a certain appeal to this, but it takes forever and you would outgrow the item before it was ever completed probably ).
Here is a sheet calculating how much we have if we sell everything that's not claimed, going to add in the purchases shortly. Feel free to edit it. I removed longbow and arrows for Quassine as well as longbow and arrow for Goliath. I also kept the oils of bless weapon.
I can't find the price for tiny weapons anywhere. Is it half or not? Can we find tiny longbows for Kiki?
@CT: How do yo feel about masterwork tools for various skills? For example Xanya could use one for diplomacy and ride, Goliath probably wants one for Sense Motive, Kiki wants one for stealth, acrobatics, climb, perception etc. Can we a) Get one for +2 to a skill for 50. b) chose one usage of the skill for 50?
List of Magic Gear for potential crafting coming up shortly.
Quick Runners Shirt 1000
Cloak of Resistance +1 1000
Eyes of the Eagle 2500
Daredevil Softpaws Boots 1400
Belt of Dex or Str 4000
Headband of Cha or Wis 4000
Amulet of Might Fists +1 4000
Xanya really wants a Horsemaster's Saddle, but that's too expensive for now seeing as it'll cost over half our wealth.
Weapon Qualities
Here is the format for weapon entries (given as column headings on Table: Weapons).
Price: This value is the weapon's price in gold pieces (gp) or silver pieces (sp). The price includes miscellaneous gear that goes with the weapon, such as a scabbard or quiver. This price is the same for a Small or Medium version of the weapon. A Large version costs twice the listed price.
Maybe half as much as Small/Medium since large is twice as much? Although STR costs would be the same price of 100 gps per STR bonus.
Large armor is also twice price, but for armor it's listed that tiny is half price of small/medium. That's why I thought tiny weapons might be half as well.
@Quassine: Unless we fight against enemies with DR/Magic or incorporeal enemies Belt of Dexterity will be better for you than Amulet of Might Fists, as long as you aren't planning on getting Cat's Grace regularly.
@CT: Did we get a ruling on whether I could write down my summoner spells into my formula book?
For Xanya/Cryxiala Quick Runners shirt is probably most important-
Quassine can already penetrate DR/Magic and therefore incorporeal creatures for 50% damage so a Belt of Dexterity is the way to go for now.
Half price for tiny seems fair.
I'm not sure how I feel about masterwork 'tools' for every skill. Its imaginable that you could come up with something or other that could help you with a skill, but I feel that some don't translate well, and I don't think all skills would have some small innocuous item that would work. I'd like to stick with what is in the materials, unless they have a section that addresses masterwork tools that aren't listed specifically.
Also, masterwork tools are hard to come by as well. In a fort town like this they won't have them laying around like its Wal-Mart or something. Uncommon or rare items are almost all certainly custom orders.
Let me do some reading on the summoner/formula book.
I would say no that you cannot enter your summoner spells into your formula book. Alchemists can only put formula into their books as I understand it from other alchemist books or from wizard books or as a wizard does (meaning that I assume they can also use scrolls). If you had scribe scroll feat, you could put your summoner spells onto a scroll, and then translate the magical writings into alchemist formula that way. Seems like an annoying formality, but I think it makes some sense, is closer to RAW and imposes a small tax in order to exploit your other spellcaster class.
As I argued last time, the wording of the spell "blood transcription" seems to indicate in the other direction (even though I obv won't be using the spell). Let me see if I can find that conversation, it should be a few pages back. Here it is:
@Xanya: Blood transcription requires a dead spellcaster, what am I missing for you to scribe summoner->alchemist spells.
@Xanya: re: scribing: Normally if you have your formula book and have empty pages in it ( should be keeping track ), and some ink, you should be able to scribe in the field. I don't see ink on your sheet, but maybe some else has some, otherwise wait for town.
Blood Transcription is obviously not what I'm going to be using, however it says:
you gain the knowledge of this spell for 24 hours. During this time, you may write it down (or teach it to your familiar, if you are a witch) using the normal rules for copying a spell from another source. Once you have learned it, you may prepare the spell normally.This doesn't seem specific to the spell at all, but rather what you can normally do if you know a spell. Hence since I already have (spontanous) knowledge of a spell, I would think I could write it down (paying the normal costs).I see what you are saying. I have to look that up and see what rulings/opinions are.
Ink isn't exactly survival gear, and given its expensive nature, they aren't likely to just throw that in for free.
As for masterwork tools, there are indeed rules for such that are not listed specifically. I'll find a link shortly. It says that they have to apply either to a limited part of the skill or have limited amounts of uses. Of course having to make sense is a reasonable limitation as well. I was thinking a set of stirrups that are made of solid material so they can more easily help deflect blows and the like to the mount (like a shield). It would work for only defensive feats based on the ride skill (mounted combat, trick riding, indomitable mount etc). Does that sound ok? I've used the same thing in PFS.
Here is the link for masterwork tools, just search for masterwork tool.
Oh yes, I remember now. Hah, I swear sometimes I think I am losing my mind. Must be advancing old age or something.
So I guess what it is implying is if you already have knowledge of the spell that there is no reason you cannot write it down normally. It would seem that makes sense, and I can probably be convinced of the logic, so we can go with it. As implied you still have to go through the process and pay whatever (trivial) amount it costs to scribe it.
In terms of the skill bonus items. We should go on a case by case basis for things that do not already exist, because in some cases you may be inventing a new item altogether (and have to convince someone to make it). Also just because you come up with some half-baked idea for a skill bonus item, doesn't mean it should work. I might decide it sounds awefully cheesy and not feasible. In terms of the riding idea, I think some modified stirrups, possibly even some extra fancy bit and bridle for extra control or the like (or whatever is used for Cryxial). I'm not a horse person (although we had some when I was younger) but I can envision something doable like that.
Quassine can already penetrate DR/Magic and therefore incorporeal creatures for 50% damage so a Belt of Dexterity is the way to go for now.
Crafting a belt will take four days. We might not have four days before the next battle. Of course you are the one with the feat, so guess it's to be expected to craft for yourself first. Xanya would benefit a lot from Quick Runner's Shirt though. I'm not sure the rest of you need that. Simon probably wants one when he can start playing as a move action, though I don't remember at what level he can do that. For the rest of you, you got leaping dragon otherwise being able to full attack would be amazing. Though it would allow you to do it twice in one combat without recovery in between. Does Goliath have leaping dragon? Kiki's stealth is great, but her perception is not amazing, making a pair of eyes of the eagle for her could be very helpful. Of course that's bound to take a long time as well. Simon could benefit from improving his fort save, while Kiki got weak Will. Maybe a couple cloaks of resistance would be better than one huge item?
@Kiki, Goliath: How about using masterwork transformation for our bows? We got more gold than we can spend on crafting anyway.
Do we want to order anything from the enchanter? Paying double price for items seems a bit harsh, but we'll probably find some wealth on our next trip as well. Maybe we can order stuff that we won't be able to craft ourselves? Rings and rods and wands and armor. A rod of extend would probably be nice to have, we could even share it. For armor Xanya probobably wants a mithral breastplate, but as they said, there is no mithral to be had. For rings I would have to look through things.
I have raging hunters pounce or whatever so not to leaping dragon, but I do like leaping dragon. If I knew we would be in the city all day today I could have done the masterwork transformation. It will have to wait now.
Just fyi the enchanter can only do wondrous items, weapons and armor.
Once I have my bows I will masterwork it and everything you want too
@CT: Did we order bows for Kiki ? If not how long will it take to make one with shape wood?
I don't think you ordered any. Just the string probably, that will cost you 10% of a bow. with shape wood it will take one casting per bow.
I'm guessing you won't allow us to get composite longbows +2 with shape wood? That would be ideal for Kiki. What's the price anyway? 75*0.1*0.5 or 300*0.1*0.5 (for the composite +2 option), or is it just not halved due to being tiny?
Are these feats allowed? There are several nice ones there, especially for Simon (I just discovered them). I know you allowed me to take local feats, so these might be the same?
you cant make composite bows (and thus strength bows ) with shape wood, because it requires metal for the cams and other stuff. only longbows/shortbows.
tiny weapons cost half, so 50% x 10% for the string.
Looking at our individual earnings, there isn't enough for most of us to purchase any worth wild magical item unless we get it at cost of materials or make it ourselves.