Did we start with a hero point?
Did we start with a hero point?
yes
These are just my thoughts. I mean nothing bad by them and I only want to help you, please don't take it the wrong way, I am only trying to be realistic, not negative.Multiclassing and prestige classes are both quite underpowered in pathfinder. The way the system scales and the rules for this game works it's favorable to either take the classes as far as they go or to take a bunch of dips to gain a lot from the low level abilities. Taking a medium amount of levels is seldom optimal, unless they unlock huge abilities at those levels (for example oracle or cleric get cha to saves at level 5 so might be worth a 5 level dip if you can't go paladin for some reason). I haven't studied Shadowdancer in detail, but that is probably fine. I don't think combining swashbuckler with either magus or ranger is a good idea though. For swashbuckler the deeds you can use scale with level as does precise strike, nible and Swashbuckler Weapon Training. Magus is even more so as Magus is incredibly dependent on caster level to be effective due to the nature of it's spells (some levels dip for specific abilities might still be fine though).
As for Mystic theruge, that gives of too many casterlevels of each branch. If you want dual casting, picking a new caster class of the type you are missing through twin mind is probably better. The higher level spells and casterlevels you miss out on by multi-classing you caster makes that part of your build a lot less effective.
Shadowdancer gives hide in plain sight at first level and a shadow companion at 4th(would be awsome if mine could take the form of a spider).
I only picket swashbuckler for the mouser stuff( to avoid confusion and to allow me to flank as a tiny creature)
and precise strike isn't that usefull for me( I have to give up 2-3(3 off hands) attacks to use it most time)for the theurge, yes I see your point, twin-minding would work better.
I think what you take after swashbuckler will work best if it has full bab and at least d10 hd, since you will be in melee a lot. If you are abandoning swashbuckler anyway, then I would strongly consider to look into warder or warlord. I am not sure if CaveToad will allow the twf stuff to work with 4+ weapons, but there should still be plenty of handy stuff there. The thing about the PoW classes are that they scale of something called initiator level which count half your out of class levels as well, so a swashbuckler 4/Warlord 16 will still get 9th level manouvers(at level 19, so you could go swash 5 for improved critical). As I said before, I aim to dip in warlord, they have some things that affect everyone in the party that might not overlap that well, but you will soon enough get the higher level stuff anyway. Urban barbarian could allow you to boost dex, though ranger probably isn't a horrible choice either as the favored enemy stuff works great with multi weapon fighting. Duelist on the other hand has the same problem as swashbuckler, it's meant to use with one weapon.
@CaveToad: Will you allow the pow twf stuff with multi weapon fighting?
I am not sure we'll be allowed to change archtypes at this point, but I am curious why you have gone with snake druid? It neuters your wildshape and animal summoning afaik.
Edit: added hero point to sheet.
As long as you take Multiweapon fighting feat, in most cases where TWF is listed, you can sub in MWF for the same application. There will be case by case situations where it doesn't apply across the board, where things are spelled out specifically, but for the most part the rules almost always overlook or forget about people who can multiwield, since they are extremely rare. I've read some forum posts about it and it mostly devolves into arguments and internet rage about grammatical subleties in various rules.
Give me some specific examples and I can advise what I will allow.
I was mostly referring to the path of war stuff. Dervish Defender's Two Weapon Defense. Most of the thrashing dragon manouvers etc. it is not for me though, so no need to look it up and decide unless Kiki wants to take her character in that direction (Battle Dragon's Stance and the like seems incredibly useful for her though).
It seems like a background is required from your list. Is that the case? (Not that it's a problem for me).
It seems like a background is required from your list. Is that the case? (Not that it's a problem for me).
It helps, and a good backstory can earn Hero Points
Any idea how long you'll use to review all the sheets(maybe you can estimate out from your current progress)?
Are there any particular elements you are looking for in the backstories? Maybe I can try to improve/add to mine ;).
@Rest of group: What do you think about me switching life spirit for battle, given that Cardau has channeling as well? We'll rarely need 16 channels per day. Though maybe if I keep it, Quassine can switch out whitemage (if he wants to of course).
I picked Serpent Druid mainly for the charm domain (fits the fey flavour) the bite attack is also nice.
if allowed I might switch to a normal druid with weather(seasons) domain
warlord seems like a good idea for the second lane.
for the first dip I am thinking about either ranger(freeboter/trapper(if we need trapfinding)) or bloodrager(speed and bloodrage)
again I am open for suggestions
I would really like to get the reviews done today. It depends a lot of how incomplete people's sheets are. So far the ones I have completed are just missing some information that makes, it easier to see the math. I have not found any egregious errors or illegal builds.
In terms of a story or background, its how much the spirit of creativity hits you. I didn't require much, but some people really put a lot of work into it, so that shows they care about the character and are invested.
Working on it now.
This is Magic and you can watch me fill in the template. :)
I picked Serpent Druid mainly for the charm domain (fits the fey flavour) the bite attack is also nice.
if allowed I might switch to a normal druid with weather(seasons) domain
warlord seems like a good idea for the second lane.
for the first dip I am thinking about either ranger(freeboter/trapper(if we need trapfinding)) or bloodrager(speed and bloodrage)
again I am open for suggestions
Trapfinding scales with level, only a little dip won't help all that much, Quassine also have trapfinding already. Favored enemy is nice though. The problem with bloodrager is that it boosts your strength and con, dexterity would be much more useful to you. Unchained barbarian gives you bonus to hit, damage as well as temp hp(which gets taken first unlike the hp from bloodrage), so would probably work a lot better with your build. Taking unchained barbarian as your first dip might not be a bad idea.
I am curious why you haven't picked up the feat "Deadly Agility" from path of war, it would literally double your damage if you sneak attack and do much better if you don't. If you are still allowed to change feats I would strongly consider that. It might also allow you to move some points over from str to con. Also you get weaponfocus rapier for free at level 3, picking it up now seems a bit redundant.
Question: If we pick a magic item instead of a weapon is it a masterwork item for now or do we need to give it an ability to start?
Question: If we pick a magic item instead of a weapon is it a masterwork item for now or do we need to give it an ability to start?
A non-weapon item is not masterwork nor does it have any abilties, but I am sure it'll catch up soon enough and grant other cool effects. Looking at your build so far, it seems like you probably don't plan on using weapons much so I think it's probably better to pick something other than a weapon. Thinking about it though, why don't they get a masterwork item? +2 to a skill would only be fair...
But the special item section says they're all masterwork?
But the special item section says they're all masterwork?
Nevermind me... I must have skipped that part given that I was pretty set on a martial character by the time I got to that part of the rules.
Edit: aha, it says it doesn't have any other apparent uses! Which I guess means it is a masterwork item, but not a masterwork tool (unless you choose thieves tools or instrument I guess, which definately will work as a masterwork tool).
I guess we do need plans for the morning. Does anyone have any other ideas than heading down the mouth of the river given that we otherwise have to scale a mountain to get out?
He's coming together as quick as I can. I've been pulled away from my laptop because my dad wants me to go with him to a music festival. I'll keep going on my phone.
Since I get weapon focus for free I should probably swap that out...
Almost finished.
Can't do much else until I get a ruling for Wild Caller. I'm really hoping that one's allowed. It'll really bring the build together. I'm liking how he's shaping up, with that at least.
I apologize for my absence, yesterday (Friday) was a rough day. We had to euthanasia our 11 year old family cat due to incurable and fatal feline kidney disease and later that day, we had to bring our dog to Vet ER. The dog is mostly OK but she is still showing signs she may need more vet care but she is doing far better than the cat. I will be getting caught up during the day. And if I am ever absent because of real life, please bot me to keep the story moving. Thank you.
Almost finished.
Can't do much else until I get a ruling for Wild Caller. I'm really hoping that one's allowed. It'll really bring the build together. I'm liking how he's shaping up, with that at least.
You won't be able to be a wild caller without qualifying as a half elf.
Just an FYI, I will be continuing to review characters today wishing to complete them before moving past the night. I will be doing some other things today as well, so you may not hear from me until later this afternoon.
Sad to hear Quassine, my condolences, but glad that you took your time to tell us.
Thanks for The update CaveToad
I'll just have him be plant-like as flavor text, then.
Crunch is finished for your perusal, about to start adding fluff.
I don't think they were fooling around for the entirety of Eleanor's watch. Though we don't really have to regain any spells since we didn't use any the previous day.
Can I join RP since I'm almost finished with his sheet?
I don't want to get any further behind.
Edit:
Fully done now.
Simon, yes, you can actually come into the camp in the middle of the night. Perhaps you went for a stroll from the large NPC camp, where Tolheimia's group was, and got lost, or just decided to check out one of the other camps.
Action and gameplay is sort of frozen somewhere in the middle of the night currently, morning hasn't yet arrived, despite some of you sort of RPing into the morning.
Glad you can join the game. Fun character, I like the ukelele and parrot heh.
Cool. Thanks.
Oh, I swapped Giant for Sylvan to reflect background.
When did you arrive? While we were busy in the tent?
I just saw that group 1 made a spreadsheet for a quick and easy way to view the group as a whole. Maybe we can make something similar? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jS7GDvYK_rvLiKD_epDs9bKsmnpMBsgL84x WCiE141Y/htmlview?pli=1
Seems as good a time as any. That's when I was shooting for, at least.
I may or may not be able to edit a Google doc. It's spotty. I know I usually can't use maps, so if I had a map buddy that could move me, that would be wonderful and a bit of responsibility off of the GM'S shoulders.
The operative reason for this is that I post almost exclusively from my phone. I dusted off the trusty lappy for this character creation, on account of it being the most in depth I've had to do, but outside of that, I'm only on my phone. This is also the reason my posting style is what it is. On a phone, formatting is not fun. If I had to bold and unbold every time a character says "ya, ok," this would very quickly go from a hobby to unpaid labor.
As such, in my posts(as much as it destroys my inner Grammar Nazi), I set action, dice, description, and speech on separate lines from all others.
The up side is that I'm almost always available.
I hope this isn't too much of a distraction for the other players, and I thank you in advance for your understanding. :)
Look into the wayfinder app.
I have an entire browser app dedicated to Paizo. I don't like the format of Wayfinder. Makes things needlessly difficult.
I also don't like that it adds a tagline. That makes it look like you don't care about a post. I want all of my posts to be thoughtful and well written.
I [demonstrate]can [/demonstrate] format fine when the need arises, but it's when it would be a consistent thing for the thousands of character posts I make that it would become less than fun. :)
I make betweeen 80% to 90% of my posts from the phone as well. At least [b ] [/ b] is easier to write than some color code (and for spilling my phone does have spellchecker). Minimizing the amount of formatting needed is nice though. I was thinking to use such a document mostly for reading as we won't update it more than once per day. If I get time today I'll toss one together.
So I guess we just wait for CaveToad to end so we can proceed? No one feels like playing out more of the night while we wait?
What feats/powers are everyone planning on picking up at level 2?
I was giving time for an initial reaction to him before moving on. I'll have a post in an hour or so.
Yes I am reviewing characters all day. I hope to finish today.
I started on our own spreadsheet(I just copied from group one and is now editing it). If anyone wants to help me edit it, that would be nice.
You need to make it public.
Done
So an hour turned out to be more like 10 and a half, but there it is. At least we aren't moving on for a bit.
There's also my Eidolon Aster. He has the same base and evolutions Cryxial has for right now, but his skills are probably a bit different.
Simon does also have some minor healing, as I took cure light as a spell.
My darkvision is only 60.
I have spark, so we can take that off the wishlist.
I know it's a work in progress, so there's a couple things. :)
You should be able to change things yourself. The wish list is not something I made but a carryover from group 1. I'll remove it. For example it would be nice if everyone can add what spells they have to the spells tab (well not the druid and the cleric spells, but the rest). I am going to try the app Google sheets for editing as the browser doesn't seem to be able to handle it very well.
The browser thing would be why I haven't done anything to it. :)
I if I PM you my email, could you share that to me, so I can edit it in Sheets?
Ok, just pm me, but I thought anyone could edit it with the link? Edit: yeah, as long as you open it with the same Google account in the browser first you'll find it in the most recent sheets list.
Most values are going to be wrong as I just copied from group 1, though I believe I fixed the first page. Would be nice if people fixed class skills/ranks/spells themselves.
Thanks all regarding my cat and the dog. The dog is doing much better. We call her goat dog because she has a bad habit of eating things she shouldn't and probably ate something behind her Dog Day Care handler's back. I am hoping that our dog can stay healthy for a while now. In the last few weeks, we have paid the vet $1200 and they get more today because my dog is getting her stables out from an earlier accident with another dog.
Game on!
Good to hear she's doing well now. :)
Feel free to respond to Simon's question as you like. I've noticed time lines are getting a bit weird. :)
Welcome back Quassine :)
We are operating before, after and during frozen time. Time doesn't like to be frozen for three days so won't things are bound to happen ;).
Simon, I imagine the timeline will be thrown off until everything stabilizes with the table and character changes.