Second Diagonal is 15ft...
Actually, this has been FAQ'd
Oh, then Xanya could attack 10... Cryxial could then go to attack 3 with Eleanor.
Second Diagonal is 15ft...Actually, this has been FAQ'd
That's cool. Only took 6 years. lol
According to the map last night at 1 AM, 6 was alive.
The live ones are 3,4,7,10. Did you refresh?
Ok gang, I will review your latest actions in a bit here. Just grabbing lunch. If everything checks out, then it might be over. Give me a bit to look it over. If there is confusion I can help smooth things over or get additional feedback.
Yay! We won. So what do we do next? The player in me says screw it and run down the mountain, but the character wants to go help others and fight more...
Do we get experience now or do we have to wait for things to calm down?
I think we'll take quite a while to reach our destination so now would be a good time to RP through things ;).
Will get a post fight summary going tomorrow.
Will get a post fight summary going tomorrow.
I am thinking that we should just head to whatever table has the most trouble(Assuming CaveToad wants to keep them around). So in essence letting him decide our direction.
Obviously casting Mage Armor while we travel seems like a good idea. Cardau will need to get a cast from someone else. Xanya could use her own castings for enlarge, or she could save some to cast enlarge on Eleanor(she could also cast on herself and Cryxial, but Eleanor would benefit much more). What do people think?
Enlarge person is poop, no thanks.
But I've got Mage armors to go around, 4 remaining.
Enlarge person is poop, no thanks.
But I've got Mage armors to go around, 4 remaining.
Why don't you like it? It'll increase your damage from 1d8 to 2d6 for your katana and give you another +1 damage from strength. More importantly it'll give you reach which should mean a few more attacks. I think that is worth -2 AC. Of course I'll respect your opinion though.
Reach no bonus to hit and +3.5 average damage isn't worth -2 AC.
It also has a 1 Round casting time.
The casting time could easily be resolved by casting it out of combat and the extra damage could easily mean you kill an enemy in one round instead of two while reach can easily mean one extra AoO which translates to one extra dead enemy. It's basically eqivalent with stage 2 power attack + stage 2 reckless assault(which together is +4 dmg -2 AC) with reach in addition, which I at least think is incredible for a simple level 1 spell. I at least plan to pick up those things if I find room, but I am guessing you will not. Still, it's not like I did cast it on you, so no harm done :). Thanks for the discussion.
Sadly the distance to our companions changes my opinion on what to do next. I hate retconning:'(. I feel a major disconnect whenever such things happen. Maybe we should just decide here before we post? By the IC posts it now looks like everyone except Quassine is heading north, while he is heading south instead. I vote for heading south of that matters.
It was my bad on the south direction thing. I reread and I see that Xanya said to head north, but that also in a separate post that I would sort of pick the direction. So Quassine noted south as well. If you all want you can head north or recon it to stay put. Quassine searched the bodies, I will say it was a visual search since they aren't carrying bags or much gear. If you want to actually collect their weapons and equipment, it will takes about 1 minute extra. Also decide who carries what, and factor that encumbrance in if you do take items.
Also, I will have an Experience tally today. Timing isn't super critical since you need to wait until rest to make use of it, if by chance you level from it.
@CaveToad: Can I add the beastmorph archtype? It doesn't change anything until level 3.
Wow, I just found the spell Moment of Greatness. That would work great for Xanya and Eleanor and when Simon gets a flag for everyone. Sadly Xanya can't pick it up, but the rest of you can.
The unchained barbarian gets an untyped bonus to hit and damage.
No morale bonus until Indomitable Will.
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I don't know what to post anymore. I feel reality just ripped in two with Quassine starting the reality of "Search the place and talk." While Eleanor and Xanya ran off. Can I just delete my last post? Originally both Simon and Cardau posted that they were following, but Simon also split his reality...
How can you confuse Simon with Sly? Sly is not even in our game, unless you are playing in two games?
How can you confuse Simon with Sly? Sly is not even in our game, unless you are playing in two games?
Sly is at a different table and it is really mistaken identity since they appear to be the same race or are using a white dragon avatar.
This is definitely the most disconnected game I am currently in. Not that we can not fix it since it is early in the game. I am glad SIMON is now using text formatting.
I will work to fix my disconnects here at this table.
So now we got to wait until that group finishes? Did everything start in exactly the same moment then? Wouldn't it be more convenient to just say that whoever finished first actually started first?
Can you elaborate more on what you are referring to Xanya?
Can you elaborate more on what you are referring to Xanya?
You said that we won't arrive at group 6's fight until after they are done.
Translation: "Make it so our group was attacked first, as opposed to simultaneously with the others, so we can pop into group 6's combat mid fight."
The walk there is a good ten minutes. All the battles and combats started simultaneously at once, which makes sense, they aren't going to wait 10 minutes to attack another group. While there may be a variance of a round or two, certainly not 10+ minutes. One group would have been alerted to the other combats well before the assault. I understand the request but it doesn't make sense and isn't what happened in terms of the storyline and tactics of the goatlings.
How can you confuse Simon with Sly? Sly is not even in our game, unless you are playing in two games?Sly is at a different table and it is really mistaken identity since they appear to be the same race or are using a white dragon avatar.
This is definitely the most disconnected game I am currently in. Not that we can not fix it since it is early in the game. I am glad SIMON is now using text formatting.
I will work to fix my disconnects here at this table.
I am really hurting under this. Several times I've been somewhat confused about what you have posted. What things are you having trouble connecting?
This goes for most of us, but I think it would help a lot if we talked more in here. We can clear up any misunderstandings instantly and plan so that things we do make sense. Sometimes I feel like talking to a wall as there are very few people responding to my posts. If you have a problem with what I am writing, please say so, don't just ignore me or it'll continue to be uncomfortable for all.
@Xanya - Ok let's fix it! I have no problem what you are writing and instead of answering indirectly or just indirectly, I will also respond directly.
How about we do this?
Instead of searching/gathering the goatling items in our camp, we are all on our way to camp 6 (this is what CT wrote) to assist?
I do not know the direction and can not look at the map until later. Is that the Northern camp?
This way, we will all be together and going in the same direction.
Eleanor's priority is to make sure everyone is ok and anything short of "It's clear all the groups have overcome the attack" she's going to check on as many as she can, wasting as little time as possible.
'Sly' should probably recall his familiar unless he can track it easily.
Discussion seems to mean telling/strongly suggesting what we should be doing with our characters both In-Game and out. Those I ignore.
@Xanya - Ok let's fix it! I have no problem what you are writing and instead of answering indirectly or just indirectly, I will also respond directly.
How about we do this?
Instead of searching/gathering the goatling items in our camp, we are all on our way to camp 6 (this is what CT wrote) to assist?
I do not know the direction and can not look at the map until later. Is that the Northern camp?
This way, we will all be together and going in the same direction.
I think given what have happened so far it might make more sense if you remain where you were, as little retconning as possible is nice.
Camp 6 is south I believe.
Xanya is of like mind as Eleanor. Protecting the others have waaay higher priority than looting.
@Eleanor: We could potentially talk as we travel, though I guess hustling at max speed over difficult terrain and talking at the same time might be difficult. What do you think?
@Quassine: I am still wondering exactly what you meant by disconnect? Was it just the current situation or something more? Also at a few points in the combat you seemed confused about what was going on, for example in the last round.
Discussion seems to mean telling/strongly suggesting what we should be doing with our characters both In-Game and out. Those I ignore.
Nothing I post here is meant in a way that it has to be that way or to force other to do things, but is just my opinion, often from the perspective of my character. I would very much like to hear if you agree with my opinion and why rather than facing silence. For example I think our discussion on the merits of enlarge person was good.
Summary and Housekeeping Post:
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1. I leave for camping on Friday June 26 and return Thursday July 2. During that time I have basically no internet, aside from very spotty phone reception that drains my battery like crazy and there is no electricity to recharge my phone. I carry a ton of recharging devices and even a solar charger but they don't all work that well. Plus its not fun to GM via phone. So I will be out a week. I bring my notepad though and will be working on storylines and adventures.
2. Everyone gains 1400 XP for the battle. This will place you at level 2. You do not get the XP until you decide to 'rest and reflect'. This basically means several hours in a safe spot, not walking around or exploring or travelling. Staying at the campsite will count despite being the wilderness and maybe more goatlings around etc. The group will have to decide if they want to level up and pause for a few hours of in game time where you can't do much other than chat and relax. You need to be conscious and reasonably unwounded.
3. Since there is the slight potential for interaction with other groups, in the short duration after the battles, I would prefer people do all their level ups on an alternate sheet (offline perhaps), and have it ready to go, keeping your level 1 version on hand, and then just swap it in when time moves ahead. This gives you time over my vacation to get your character updated and brainstorm your future, or even adjust based on party needs.
4. Remember at level 2, you gain a feat from your item. This is a combat feat if its a weapon, or an combat amulet. It is a spell caster type feat or skill feat if its a caster-y item. I know this can be a little vague yet, and I will allow a redo of this feat once I have a solid rule-set soon after I get back. Refer to the rules I laid out so far for the items in the original rules.
5. Take some time for feedback, within your group and to me. Feel free to message me privately as well if you have concerns about anything that you don't want to share openly. This is also the time to decide if the table you are with is right for you. I feel like most of the tables are meshing well. We do have a few new recruits, and table 2 is at 6 people, so there is the possibility of some retooling. I think 5 is my target number for all tables.
6. Once you level your characters you are out of trial phase and we will move ahead. No more reworks, no more changes without formal retraining. Only if I find an illegal combo or build will I have someone change (in theory I should have caught these already, but eh, I'm human, mostly).
7. While I am gone, its a good time to firm up tactics and strategies. I realize you are still in the wilderness, and mostly gearless, but that will change eventually.
8. Feedback, analysis, discussion, critiques, strategies, ideas, amongst each other or for me are welcome. I hope the battle was a fun, perhaps tense, learning experience. Trial by fire sort of thing. Most combats will not be so brutal, save for the really epic ones perhaps, but those are suitably rare and special.
9. Everyone having a mini crunch really makes a difference, and those with special status spoilers for running effects, and other trackables really speeds things along, so if you don't have these yet, take a look at what others do, and get one going. It helps for minions too.
Ok if you guys are working through communication issues, that's cool. Keep in mind we have some new recruits coming on board, and the potential for a new table soon. I want to get to 5 a table, but we can figure out how this will all work. If we can't find a solution as a group, I will just choose what I hope will be best. Its always possible to keep tweaking. Your thoughts openly or privately are welcome.
I think given what have happened so far it might make more sense if you remain where you were, as little retconning as possible is nice.Camp 6 is south I believe.
@Quassine: I am still wondering exactly what you meant by disconnect? Was it just the current situation or something more? Also at a few points in the combat you seemed confused about what was going on, for example in the last round.
1. Ok, Simon and Quassine will remain back at the group's camp.
2. Reading back, Xanya, Eleanor, Kiki (on Xanya), with Cardau following are heading to camp 6.
3. Let's just move forward, I am just going to take it slower and create spoiler notes if need be.
@CT, what do you mean by creating a banner after collecting the Goatling possessions? I did a search on banner and your post is the only one that states banner. In addition, Kiki stated she climbed up on Xanya.
So it is Xanya, Eleanor, Cardau, and Kiki heading for camp 6. Simon and Quassine are gathering goods to see if they can be sold later.
Simon could use a banner for his Flagbearer feat...
That didn't go well at all, if you feel it did then this may be hopeless. I've been trying to type up something but it's difficult to do so without sounding like an a~%&&+*.
I told you why I didn't want enlarge person and your response was "Oh, that's cool but here's <my opinion> why your wrong." Icing on the cake was that you included in that post the effects of the spell that I had already acknowledged.
Then there's your first PM to me, a link to a twelve page document on how offense is better than defense for pathfinder combat. It very much comes across as "you don't seem to know what you're doing, here read this." Just about everything you've said feels condescending even when it's buried in polite mannerisms.
Most people don't like to have someone looking over their shoulder telling them how to do something. If your opinions are about someones character choices or actions being inferior or wrong then you might want to keep them to yourself because I for one will keep ignoring them.
I'm here to have fun first and foremost, some optimization is required for survivability at least but I have no interest in power-gaming. Most of your, lets say unpopular, opinions are those that push for just that. Either positioning or use of class abilities, feat choices ect.
I know Q often can't see the map so he's limited with what he can do at those times.
I think we head to camp 6 for an update , figure out if checking the other camps is feasible or not without rest/leveling first and decide how to proceed depending on what happens then.
I too here am here for fun. For me that includes discussing how to handle challenges we are faced with. I know there is a wide variety of different options and opinions in this game. Having someone with such a different opinion from my own to discuss with is actually something I think is very nice. You learn very little from discussing things with people who think exactly the same way as you. When the GM says he will throw worthy challenges at us, to me that means we will have to how to best deal with situation through coordination and tactics. To me that is a fun part of the game, to you that is undesirable power-gaming. Of course things that doesn't make sense for the character shouldn't be considered. To me, power-gaming is to do things that seem unnatural to the character just to increase power. There are a lot of things people can do without going as far as that. This is a team game, to not coordinate our efforts to me seems very unnatural. You could make the argument that such things should be handled in character though.
I guess the only way for you to be able to enjoy the game is for me to shut up as you are misinterpreting pretty much every single thing I am saying. I think that is very sad and it'll certainly decrease my enjoyment of this game by a whole lot. :'(
Simon could use a banner for his Flagbearer feat...
I see it now, Simon said flag and CT said banner.
Ok, I posted a role playing comment that will start to get everything in synch.
I've switched my sorcerer spells and changed my special item to a staff now that I'm not planning on building around unarmed strikes. I'll pick up another tail with my item feat, if that's allowed; otherwise, I'll take either Spell Focus (conjuration) or Spell Focus (enchantment) (with the intent of taking the other with the free Spell Focus @ level 3).
I've switched my sorcerer spells and changed my special item to a staff now that I'm not planning on building around unarmed strikes. I'll pick up another tail with my item feat, if that's allowed; otherwise, I'll take either Spell Focus (conjuration) or Spell Focus (enchantment) (with the intent of taking the other with the free Spell Focus @ level 3).
So you are planning on fighting with your staff, but treating it as more of a focal item? You won't ever be able to take combat feats with the staff. I would prefer you went with spell focus over tail for the staff, until I can fine tune the special item feat rules more to my (and everyone's) liking
In terms of the hide. Skinning and making hides, I gather is a rather involved process taking several days unless you just want a nasty old rotten smelly animal skin. That is hardly a banner unless you are evil guys. Also Prestidigitation can't really make tools per se, so it would make a crappy banner that doesn't inspire anyone.
How about weaving a banner from plant material (like reed), maybe colored with berry juice or somehting.
How about weaving a banner from plant material (like reed), maybe colored with berry juice or somehting.
Possible, but i bet that is harder than it sounds. There are no reeds in the area you are in, and it takes a significant amount of time to do even mundane tasks like that. It would also be pretty fragile and crappy looking unless you actually had some craft skills. Great idea though, it just needs a little extra help to make it work, and time.
So you are planning on fighting with your staff...
Not really. I guess I need some kind of weapon so that I count as threatening a square, but I don't really plan on fighting with the staff unless I run out of spells and SLAs. I think I'm going to go with Spell Focus (conjuration).
CT, can we use Monster Feats for Item Feat? Of course, within reason? I assume yes since we are monsters but I know what happens when you assume.