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Finally in :). Let's hope this turns out to be the most fun and most active table :).
With this party? Definitely the most fun.
I too made an oversight, Natural Armor doesn't stack...
Had to change my barbarian archetype as it gave me a natural armor bonus that wasn't going to stack with my draconic bloodline. But I just realized that neither one stacks with my Changeling Nat Armor. poop.
I believe the lizardfolk builds will run into the same problem, one with draconic bloodline and another with wildshape.
I will be catching up soon, hopefully today or tonight.
I too made an oversight, Natural Armor doesn't stack...
Had to change my barbarian archetype as it gave me a natural armor bonus that wasn't going to stack with my draconic bloodline. But I just realized that neither one stacks with my Changeling Nat Armor. poop.
I believe the lizardfolk builds will run into the same problem, one with draconic bloodline and another with wildshape.
Yeah, that's the reason why I haven't invested in natural armor. It's hard to get it to stack and you get it from so many sources. I have 1 NA without mutagen and 2 with. I might go the bear totem line later, though paying 3 feats/ragepowers for pounce is expensive (both the claws and the NA from that line is nearly useless to me), so hopefully the manouvers from warlord will be enough.
Crossblooded Umbral seems to fit our party well and solve my natural armor issue.
Crossblooded is a costly archtype. It basically delays getting each level of spellcasting by one level since you end up with 0 spells known of that level. In addition it costs 2 willsave. It can be worth it if it offers incredible synergies to the rest of your build, but often it is not. It costs about two feats, is what you gain from it worth more than that? What do you want from umbral? Could taking one of the archtypes that replaces bloodline powers, like tattooed sorcerer for example, be an alternative?
@Quassine: What use does you character have for strength? You don't use it to hit nor damage and you aren't using weapons nor armor. You could get 2 more int and 2 more cha instead for example? Boosting your spells and abilities would offer more options and variety in combat. Since carry weight is not terribly important for you, it's basically just another point in climb, swim and cmd.
Speaking of options and variety in combat, it seems like most of us has gone in a similar direction with a heavy focus on melee combat. If anyone have any slight alterations they can make to their characters for more variety (buffs or crowd control), it might be a good idea. At least we are covered in the healing department with 4 of us able to heal some (even if none of us are truly great at it. I don't plan to heal in combat for example).
I think it would be helpful if everyone could describe a bit of how they plan to operate their character in combat. That way we can better coordinate. We are supposed to know each other, so I don't feel like this is metagaming.
For me, I pretty much plan on not casting a spell in combat or similar unless I have to. Hopefully I'll be able to use my spells, extracts and channels to buff before combat and heal up afterwards. With rage, lance and mutagen (and pounce on my eidolon) I plan to charge as much as I can. It would be nice if the rest of you could leave an open charge lane for me for that purpose.
@Kiki, Greebins: Do you have some sort of background for your characters? If we are supposed to be fast friends, it might be nice to know more about them. Maybe each of us can make a relationship table describing how they feel/relate to each other?
It's the 3rd level power I need to change, so Seeker or Elderitch Scrapper... hmm.
How old is Eleanor Sibyl? I am thinking about what kind of relationship she and Xanya would have. They have a lot of similarities storywise, though Eleanor came to the realization about how bad she had been much sooner, before she came to Goodwin even. Maybe Eleanor could have been a sort of bigger sister figure for Xanya, showing her the way etc. Do note that Xanya doesn't feel regret nor remorse for her actions and she'll probably need some help with the moral compass thing....
It's under the appearance and personality bit.
"19" before meeting goodwin.
Right, so she is probably younger than Xanya, though with races aging at different speeds and her being so much larger (despite being short for her race), she could still work as an older sister figure? What do you think?
I think I can work with that.
Gonna stick with crossblooded. Dragon Disciple is going to screw me on casting anyway so I'll take a metamagic (Extend?) and make the most of the spell slots.
Combat at this level is flank and Rage with Sword and Claw.
Spirit Totem and Ninja Ki at level 2 for 2 more attacks.
UC Flurry of Blows at 4 for one more. Combat Reflexes and a few feats or abilities to make the most of it. Bodyguard and/or Vicious Stomp.
I plan to take disarm, trip and intimidate rage powers when I can, probably take extra rage power feat a few times. I'm still trying to format my next 8 levels.
Not including Twin Mind stuff as I don't know when that will come.
I move the stats around to make the Charisma 16 which I will benefit from as well, especially social skills and arcane exploits.
I see all 5 have dotted in and RP is going. Solid start.
Once you have all decided when and where to move, let me know, I will move things ahead.
I will be working up some maps of the general area as you explore.
I've made a few alterations here and there over the last couple days.
Savage Barbarian to Invulnerable and adding Crossblooded because of stacking conflicts.
Took the Chawful trait to accommodate the future cheese into monk and paladin.
I'm still putting the pieces together but I expect things to remain as they are. The only change I could foresee at this point is dropping Imp. Init. for a head start into the many combat feat trees I have planned.
I am normal barbarian not UC now.
I am still debating wether to pick up internal alchemist or not. Main thing I would lose would be int to damage with splash weapons which could be useful against swarms. In return I would eventually get uncanny dodge and immunity to disease, though the later will soon have a very hard time affecting me. There are a number of other cool archtypes I've been considering, but I don want to replace persistent mutagen.
Chawful needs to specify a class I believe. I am planning to pick it up at some point for two levels of paladin since paladin of freedom isn't a thing in PF.
That it does. No cheese into paladin then. Fighter instead. MMM feats.
Why fighter over Warlord? Warlord gives some of the same boosts to saves as paladin and a lot of cool maneuvers(swashbuckler is another cool option with parry and charmed life). I plan to pick up Warlord as my first cheesedip myself, at level 4 I'll be able to buff everyone with Encouraging Roar when I have spare swift actions and at level 8 Golden Commander Stance. Though I suppose if I pick it, there is less need for you to do so.
Speakin of buffs for everyone, are anyone planning on picking up Battle Cry at level 5? I think it is currently the very best feat in pathfinder, beating out the cha to saves feat by a hair. Unfortunately I can't afford to pick it up before level 6, but we got several other high cha folks in here and if someone else picks it up I can use my swift actions for Gambits, Encouraging Roar, indominable Mount and Mounted Combat instead...
Anyway, we should probably focus more on the immediate future eh? Where do we want to go etc? Though without knowledge of the surrounding area there isn't really that much to chose between other than lake or other random direction that is not the lake. It seems like we are pretty united about the second choice, even if not as random as Xanya suggested ;).
@Quassine: I think you have one feat too little, everyone get thoughness for free and you get weapon focus for free from UC rogue.
Swashbuckler is in my twin mind list. :)
I spent awhile looking at Path of War but I wasn't sure if their stances worked with barbarian stance powers and I never got a response so I moved on.
@Xanya, I reviewed my list and it is correct. UC Rogue actually starts off with Weapon Finesse or Finesse Training. At every 3rd level, I believe I receive a finesse weapon focus selection. Here is the break down;
8. Finesse Training (Natural Weapons including Fists)(uRogue) Natural weapons which includes unarmed strike use DEX instead of STR for attack rolls.
9. Toughness (Campaign Feat): +3 Hit points at 1st level, +1 from level 4 on.
10. Combat Expertise (Normal Level 1 Feat): +1/-1 Bonus to AC in exchange for an equal penalty in attack.
11. Agile Maneuvers (Level 1 Free Feat 1): Use DEX instead of STR for CMB modifier.
12. Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike) (Level 1 Free Feat 2): +1 ATK on all Unarmed Strikes
13. Deadly Agility (Level 1 Free Feat 3): Deadly Agility (Add Dex bonus instead of STR bonus to damage)
14. Great Fortitude (Level 1 Free Feat 4): +2 bonus to all Fortitude save throws.
I can see about trading out Combat Expertise since it will not do me justice until I have more flurry blows for Flurry Feinting which works better than standard Flurry. With Improved Flurry Feinting, I feint and if successful, the target is flat footed for the rest of my many attacks and therefore sneak attack can be applied to every hit unless of course they are immune to all the above.
Link to what my build will look like as we level up.
@Xanya, I reviewed my list and it is correct. UC Rogue actually starts off with Weapon Finesse or Finesse Training. At every 3rd level, I believe I receive a finesse weapon focus selection.
Only at 3rd, 11th and 18th, if I remember correctly.
At least we are covered in the healing department with 4 of us able to heal some (even if none of us are truly great at it. I don't plan to heal in combat for example).
Who else can heal besides Greebins currently?
@Kiki, Greebins: Do you have some sort of background for your characters? If we are supposed to be fast friends, it might be nice to know more about them. Maybe each of us can make a relationship table describing how they feel/relate to each other?
Working on it... Though I would find it unlikely that Greebins is particularly close to Xanya.
Xanya can channel and Quassine can cast CLW due to white mage and Kiki can prepeare CLW. So everyone except Eleanor. I can also heal myself with extracts. I am probably picking up infusions at 4 to help further.
@Quassine: Sorry about the feat-confusion...
I am quite surprised that the follower of sarenrae is the judgemental type who can't forgive.
sarenrae is more about redemption. Mostly you've just revelled in murder and torture fantasies, and you haven't given any indication of being sorry or feeling remorse. So he is contemptuous (and he Is a cat, so that's kind of default mode). It could be worse, he could follow Iomedae.
What is redemption? I guess that could be a theme of their interaction. She doesn't feel remorse or regret sure, but she also has changed her ways and try to do good things to make up for all the bad. Maybe she'll win him over with good deeds? I see a lot of room for growth in their relationship.
Or if that is how you are going to treat her I guess they could just not get along at all. Could be tiresome/unfun to have a ton of conflict imho :/, but ymmv...
@CaveToad: Are you waiting on Quassine to decide to stay behind or not?
Or if that is how you are going to treat her I guess they could just not get along at all. Could be tiresome/unfun to have a ton of conflict imho :/, but ymmv...
@CaveToad: Are you waiting on Quassine to decide to stay behind or not?
What do you mean? Was there a plan to split up, or were you all staying behind or moving?
Right, so she is probably younger than Xanya, though with races aging at different speeds and her being so much larger (despite being short for her race), she could still work as an older sister figure? What do you think?
I think a sister like relationship between Xanya and Kiki would be fitting, Kiki is way older than Xanya(possibly older than Eleanors father), but has the fey typical childish qualitys.
What is redemption? I guess that could be a theme of their interaction. She doesn't feel remorse or regret sure, but she also has changed her ways ...
Xanya is very similar to Kiki in that, Kiki just has better impuls controll ( and she is a fey ...) and not much of a thing for torture, she is on the way to be more pixie like, playing pranks and stuff, and ocasionaly scaring the s++* out of someone.
I think it would be helpful if everyone could describe a bit of how they plan to operate their character in combat. That way we can better coordinate. We are supposed to know each other, so I don't feel like this is metagaming.
Kiki tactic is to toy with/debuff enemys from stealth with sow fear and druid spells (entangle, sickeningray/dart thingy, swarms) and then jump/climb on an enemy to flank and sneak attack it.
Hey guys, since we have a few new characters, I am making a new table, and I am going to steal Greebins from you. The alignments for the new table will match better. I will fill the open slot if we get another submission. Fear not!
Greebins head over to table 6.
Kitty NO!
One more scratch behind the ears before he leaves ... :-)
Gotcha. Sorry El...
Kitty ... :(
:/... @ Kitty
Realistically it'll take weeks to make tools within the PF rules. I really don't think it is a good idea to stick around to do that. It'll be much faster to find the things we need if we find civilization then work or a quest to acquire the things we are missing.
Maybe we should agree on what to do OOC then play it out IC? Because right now two of us(Xanya and Eleanor) headed into the forest, while the rest of you argue as if we are still there...
As Quassine and Eleanor noted you can easily probably make crude quarterstaves. Also, probably crude wooden spears, more pointed sticks, they won't do the same damage as a regular steel tipped spear. I suspect most of you have weapons already? Bones will be hard to come by unless you succeed in some hunting. Most bones laying around in the wild are consumed fairly rapidly by scavengers and vermin unless buried in mud or earth somehow.
I don't see how we can craft anything useful at this point. At the very least we need to be able to pay for the raw materials to use the craft rules.
Same thing about resting for the night. We all just woke up, we should have all our spells and abilities. Besides our group is disadvantaged fighting during the day anyway. IF we fight during the night we get protection due to dim light and darkvision.
Go ahead and mention about moving at night which would be better for us since all or most of us are from Underdarkish.
Traveling during the night would be easier for most of you that's true.
The likelihood that our time of day coincides with the part of the world we plane-shifted to is rather low. So it's not necessarily morning.
We're not crafting items to be sold so the craft rules wouldn't really apply anyway. The goal isn't to make a waterskin so much as it is make something to holds water. or can skin an animal or cut a rope. Things you can't really do with a sword or spear.
We already know it is past midday. An adventuring day is usually 8 hours. That might mean we manage 8 hours before it gets dark or continue after it get dark.
@CaveToad: How long would it take to make something to hold water?
We already know it is past midday. An adventuring day is usually 8 hours. That might mean we manage 8 hours before it gets dark or continue after it get dark.
@CaveToad: How long would it take to make something to hold water?
That depends on what resources you have. A skilled basketweaver can make a watertight container from reeds. I doubt any of you have profession basketweaver. Various animal bladders would work, although crude. Perhaps with very basic tools it might work, but the bladder might not be the most sanitary given your conditions, and might easily burst, as you would have to seal up the ends. Since you can create water at will with no penalty, cupping in your hands can suffice, or digging a hole in the ground or using a depression in a rock or log. Unless you want to take a bath, you will have enough water to drink. Depending on direction you wish to travel, there is the river and lake, higher up the mountains is snow (much higher).
That's roughly what I thought... We got no other sensible/timely option than relying on Kikki to create water. I was actually thinking to carve out a bowl or cup with the tip of my lance by using craft woodworking which can be used untrained, but I understand if that is too much of a stretch.
So, anyone else burning to say something before CaveToad carry us into the forest to travel and hunt? I am ready to move on.
Quassine: what relationship do you imagine you have with the others?
Kiki: did you spend the hour downtime earlier to prepare spells? If so which?
Those pictures look awesome and inspiring :)
Kikistarted with enhance diplomacy, guidance, stabilize and mudball, cloak of shade and charm person prepared.
at the next rest I would prepare create water and goodberrie and maybe entangle, unless you have a better suggestion