Actually, I just thought of something.
Cavetoad, would you allow the Ravenous Oracle Curse if I took Oracle instead of Mesmerist?
Ooh, I still have 30 minutes before I am late ... lol
As for updating, nope today I was busy getting ready to travel and then travel itself. Also, I never saw the explicit go ahead to update. I don't do well with implicits or assumptions. I learned those were bad and to wait for official word to level up.
Yeah go ahead. If you decide to camp where you are, or at least somewhere near that is reasonably more suitable, it should be no issue. What precautions and care are you taking for the gnolls?
Here it is... From sunday.
I guess I'll change to glitterdust given noone else picked it up and we otherwise have nothing against invisible enemies which we are fairly likely to face... Would have been much better for someone who isn't raging all the time to pick it up (Simon even got spell focus), but whatever...
I got some done but need to go to bed, finish tomorrow.
We won't use it often enough to warrant me using a slot on it. Invisibility as a fight is a cheap gimmick that's more a player thing to do than a GM to use more than once or twice.
I think it's better that you have it /because/ you cast fewer spells than I do.
We won't use it often enough to warrant me using a slot on it. Invisibility as a fight is a cheap gimmick that's more a player thing to do than a GM to use more than once or twice.
I think it's better that you have it /because/ you cast fewer spells than I do.
I feel like you kind of asked for it so I'm going to lay out my reasoning about this spell. I hope the tone in this post is better:
It's also one of the best AoE control spell available at this level. I've used it as a spellcasting summoner before and when 2nd level spells was my highest level it was my go to spell for using in combat. It targets will which you can debuff through mesmerist (while I have no control over where it goes). It can target both mind immune, undead and constructs. The range is fairly long, allowing the caster to stay out of harm's way (though not as long as burst of radiance). Sure nauseated is a better condition to impose, but blind is a very strong condition as well and this can target multiple enemies. Blind signinficantly reduces both offense and defense(50% miss chance lose Dex and we get an extra +2 to hit), in addition if they don't know exactly where we are they won't be able to attack at all and ranged stuff stops working as well. In every single fight we've fought so far I would have used it if I was in your spot and had access to it. Why do you think you won't get to use it for it's main effect? By comparison I've never actually seen Wind Wall used in a game.
I've faced plenty of Invisible enemies in other games. It's a fairly regular tactic and not at all reserved to players (you could check out how many monsters have access to such things) But anyway, we can expect to face enemies up CR 12 or so. That means not only invisibility is an option, but greater invisibility is as well. A Greater Invisible assassin could kill any one of us fairly quickly if we got no way to stop it.
Did most of the update, the forum doesn't accept the rest of it :(
You probably have too long profile. I don't think you need to keep all the old levels, though you could store them in Google docs or something instead.
that did help, thank you ;)
I'll take Glitterdust over wind wall if it'll make you happy.
@Kiki: You asked for suggestions to alternatives to improved initiative. Hone Weapon is +2 damage on every attack you make (and you can also share it with Xanya and Goliath) and it'll continue to scale with level. It's actually better for you than us since you get more attacks. Sadly it does require 3 skillranks and while that stings you do get a ton of them through rogue so it probably shouldn't be too hard to spare them. Combat Expertise -> Butterfly sting is kinda cool since sneak doesn't get multiplied. Both Xanya and Goliath have bigger static bonuses to damage/bigger damage dice and Xanya even got a x3 multiplier with her lance. It's two feats though, so it would mean forgoing natural spell for now and it's more cool than actually amazing.
I'll take Glitterdust over wind wall if it'll make you happy.
I think it'll be a more useful selection, but in the end it's your character. You should make whatever choices you are happy with... Don't let me convince you to pick choices you'll never use. Pick it because you think it'll be good (or appropriate/fun) and you'll use it, not to satisfy me... :'( I really am sorry for what happened. I'll try to avoid coming with suggestions in the future unless you specifically asks for them (I assume that's what you wish).
I'm fine with suggestions, but you still need to work on not making it sound like it's my fault for not taking the right spells if anything happens. Something is going to happen eventually, because with this system, every one of us is a glass cannon. We have all these powers and stuff,but with hit points as they are, we're all pretty much just as vulnerable as normal characters.
I know we should be planning and taking precautions, but I think that if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. So, we might as well make the most fun character we can and enjoy what we have than make survivable characters with practical choices and optimized builds just be bored for the length of the game.
That's what I think, at least.
I very much agree with you. The variance is just to great for something bad to not happen eventually. We should try to have as much fun we can until that happen and for me that involves trying to find options that fit with the characters that helps us avoid dying.
That said, we also have a plethora of defensive options at our disposal. Quassine, Kiki and Goliath all improved massively defensively this level. The PoW maneuvers (and in Quassine's case Stalker Arts) really works wonders for our survivability. Next level Xanya will be able to take nearly 200 HP damage (more if scattered through a lot of small attacks) without dying in addition to having a couple maneuvers at her disposal to ward of the attacks themselves. I don't remember if you were opposed to looking at the PoW material but it could also help you out quite a bit. For example could Martial Training I and II let you pick up Warning Roar which could help both you (you are allied to yourself) and the rest of us defensively (I'm sure there are other, maybe better options, but that's the first thing that comes to mind):
WARNING ROAR
Discipline: Golden Lion (Counter)
Level: 2
Initiation Action: 1 immediate action
Range: 60-ft.
Target: One allied creature
Duration: Instant
Witnessing a clear and present danger to an ally,
the disciple shouts out a well-timed warning and aids
his ally in defending against an attack. The initiator
makes a Diplomacy check opposing an opponent’s
attack roll made on an ally. If successful then the
attack is negated.
Having Simon shouting for people to watch out is both flavorful and powerful.
Edit: @CT: Seems like Xanya can pick up Warning Roar herself after all. The faq iteself: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?420178-Pathfinder-Dreamscarre d-Press-FAQ/page6 Edit2: Seems like the developers are actually disagreeing. Here and here
Finally found the official answer :)
What are CT's rulings for the Thrashing Dragon Style chain, depending on that Thrashing Dragon Style could be a good choice too.
Could Kiki sharpen two weapons at once?
Just waiting on Quassine to level up now right? Though we haven't actually made a statement of what we are doing IC we've said we'll be heading back to the dwarves.
@Kiki: For sharpening you mean, because you have two arms you should be able to do two weapons instead of one in a 10 minute period right?
I am on holiday with my family and I am sitting at the dining table with my daughter working on Quassine while she is configuring her new iPhone 6s my wife and I waited 6 hours in line for. I did a lot of work on Quassine last night and then lost it all through the usual way we all have lost work. Hopefully, I can get him finished today.
@XAnya: Yes :3
I am on holiday with my family and I am sitting at the dining table with my daughter working on Quassine while she is configuring her new iPhone 6s my wife and I waited 6 hours in line for. I did a lot of work on Quassine last night and then lost it all through the usual way we all have lost work. Hopefully, I can get him finished today.
I actually just copy Xanya in from google doc. That prevents dataloss.
I usually don't use Google Doc but for gaming, I should.
I usually use a open office document, unless I am just copy pasting stuff from srd documents;)
I am done with the majority of the update and can technically continue.
So, does anyone have a list over the gear we got (not including what the gnolls ran off with)?
Well, once Paizo lets me post to my profile, I will post my character.
And here is the gear list:
Goliath claimed the Giant's bow.
centaur: Medium breastplate, masterwork lance, longbow, 40 arrows
fire giant: large half plate, large greatsword, large composite strength longbow (+10 bonus), 40 large arrows
gnolls: longbows, leather armor, greatswords, 40 arrows
They all have bedrolls, flint n steel, waterskins, mess kits, sacks
The giant is carrying a long special box with a large scepter like object packed in a padded interior with furs and wool to keep it safe. Made of precious metals like gold, silver and platinum, the scepter is set atop with a large gem like orb, with many smaller gems circling it. The scepter has a base that looks like it could stand on its own if set on a stable level surface. Something crafted this finely and with such valuable components is surely worth a lot.
Can Quassine use a longbow? Our weird sizes sadly makes it much harder to make use of the gear we find :(.
Can Quassine use a longbow? Our weird sizes sadly makes it much harder to make use of the gear we find :(.
With Stalker dip, he can use it now.
He currently has a crossbow.
I know why I was unable to post, I actually reached the maximum character limit.
@Goliath: Are you sure destructive smite benefits from opportunistic gambler? 1 attack and 1d4 rounds is really differnt and a huge power up. Though admittedly the original destructive smite is kinda bad when you compare it to most other domain powers, so giving it a duration of 0 rounds is probably fair. This also means it works the same way for the various gambits though... +6 to hit and to damage to everyone from Xanya is no joke. I was originally going to pick victorious and steadfast gambit, but I might have to reconsider and pick Brave Gambit instead of one of them even if it's only one attack that gains the original benefit. With these two I can always just spend a swift/immeadite action to add Cha as luck on attacks or on fort/will saves (you can even choose to take no rake/reward and still get the luck bonus). Which Gambits are you picking Goliath?
based on the opinions on the boards it does. That's why it gets banned as a trait a lot even when campaign traits are allowed.
I have brave gambit and sweeping.
I guess both of you got charmed life instead of steadfast eh?
For our friends across the pond, we just had Thanksgiving Holiday and there was a major storm spreading across the US which maybe creating hassles for people's Internet connectivity. Both Goliath and I are fine for now because we are under a High Pressure keeping the majority of the bad weather away from us. Looking at the Weather map, it appears to be quieting down so CT and Simon maybe posting shortly.
High pressure its f~$*ing hot. 80+ degrees is the high today in northern Florida. Stupid global warming.
I'm looking forward to starting things up again.
No one is waiting for me to do anything, right?
We all need to decide what to do next ;). You could give your input to that decision. I believe Kiki is waiting for an answer from CT regarding her level-up as well.
Opportunistic Gambler does not extend the duration for just Xanya, it extends the duration of the effect, so everyone would get 1d4+3 rounds, not just her. You picking Opportunistic Gambler would hence be a bit redundant (at least for AoE)...
The wording for OG is fuzzy and they probably should have made it clear the effect should only work on the gambler, but maybe it was their intent to have it affect recipients, although its similar to CM just with some randomness. I would put that as one of the more powerful traits, probably well on par with a feat at least, but I'm not going to write any letters to the government or anything. RAW it would seem to affect all. I would ponder it, but I will probably just forget about it :)
What are CT's rulings for the Thrashing Dragon Style chain, depending on that Thrashing Dragon Style could be a good choice too.
Could Kiki sharpen two weapons at once?
I mean maybe if you had two whetstones... I'm sort of the mind that it takes enough focus and eyeballing the edge to require some level of concentration and even with two sets of hands and two whetstones it would be tricky. Lets just do one at a time.
What are CT's rulings for the Thrashing Dragon Style chain, depending on that Thrashing Dragon Style could be a good choice too.
Woops, sorry forgot to answer the TD question. Actually, what is the question?
Turns out I was mistaken about what steelfist commando replaces, so I won't be getting that after all and hence won't be needing to boost heal. Every rank put into knowledge nature is still boosting two skills which is pretty good so I think I'll stick with that. It kinda sucks I won't get access to Riven Hourglass this way, but being able to use Warning Roar more than make up for not getting those disciplines.
Ok, I think I am caught up on on this thread. I wasn't sure what Kiki was asking about the TD style. Does anyone know what was referenced? I assume its in a previous question further back. I can start digging if no one knows.
I've got one question top of page. :)
Ok, I think I am caught up on on this thread. I wasn't sure what Kiki was asking about the TD style. Does anyone know what was referenced? I assume its in a previous question further back. I can start digging if no one knows.
I think Kiki was wondering about:
Can she use all arms with TD style or is she limited to two? (I assume the same thing goes for all the maneuvers that mentions two weapons, since that is a whole bunch)
Not that it is a question, but personally I think Hone Weapon is much better than TD style even if it works with 4 weapons. A style cost a swift action, so Swift(assume style)+move(up to 20 feet)+standard(td style attack) still moves shorter than swift(leaping dragon 25+ feat)+full round attack.
Well normally spells out two weapons, sort of shortchanging the multi-wielders but comes in decent enough with the final feat spelling out benefits for multiwielders so I tend to think that it can stay as RAW. As you mention there are a horde of other feats or abilities that really only address dual wielding. To substitute extra limbs wherever it mentions two is probably not intended, although in certain cases it could be depending on the wording. I will continue to take it case by case.
Actually, I just thought of something.
Cavetoad, would you allow the Ravenous Oracle Curse if I took Oracle instead of Mesmerist?
I need to make a couple of fixes in the morning (EST) but they are not major. Too late at night to fix them now and I just noticed them.
Actually, I just thought of something.
Cavetoad, would you allow the Ravenous Oracle Curse if I took Oracle instead of Mesmerist?
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I am not using those 3rd party sources, and while the curses seem to vary somewhat in penalty, ravenous seems to have very little in the way of penalty that isn't stuff that goes on behind the scenes or is handwaved by a normal well equipped party.
@Quassine/Simon: Did either of you put ranks in craft weapons so you can make Wakizaki's for Kiki while the rest of us sleep?
Since it's not really Xanya's style to cast much spells in combat it's kinda nice to use her slots to keep spells up all day. Quassine and Simon use their spells more in combat.
I don't want to count my chickens early, but I do like to plan. And it could save us several days worth of back and forth if we figure out things now. We now got a significant amount of wealth and it would be nice to know what items people might want(or other items like 3x Masterwork Wakizaki's for Kiki). I don't know how easy it will be to aquire magic items, but if we can't buy something at least Quassine will be able to craft things eventually (though with a war brewing we probably won't have time to craft everything we want).
Here's a list over what Xanya wants of what is theoretically possible (though I understand I obviously can't get everything):
Horsemaster's Saddle
Quick Runner's Shirt
Amulet of Mighty Fists for Cryxial
Cloak of Protection (though much less of a priority for Xanya since her saves are already decent, also I might hold out until it's possible to get a hold of the mythic item that boosts fort extra to work better with Flesh Wound)
Mithral Chain Shirt (with whatever bonus we feel we can afford), a Mithral Breastplate would probably be better, but that'll be harder to acquire.
A belt and a headband would also be nice, but kinda less needed than the other items...
Not sure what is on my wish list. Strength belt I guess so don't have to wast the action to cast it. I will take the shield extract but I don't know if I will use it as much now since I have a shield bonus. It got worse for you as well picking up shield ally. I mean it's still a +2 and blocks magic missile :)
Yeah it's much worse now... I somehow managed to forget that both of us had shield bonuses already. Long Arm is probably better for you in that case (though Enlarge Person would probably be even better, but I only have that as a spell, not as an extract).
Let's just finish up RPing the morning and head out :).