I don't think I ever got to buy Gnoll Bane arrows did I?
Also, how flexible are you with re-jigging feats you haven't used? I think Dmitri;s shuffled classes around and things, so just wondered because if it comes to it I might just try to re-jig my ranged feats as I can't ride things for a few levels yet and the main reason I realised I chose the feats in the way that I did was because the Ranger Combat style I chose gave most of the feats I needed as I levelled. Sticking to that just weakens him I guess in the sense that I'm not using anything I have at the minute.
edit: Just looked into things and I don't know what was behind my decision making at the time, but can I change my combat style feats from archery to mounted combat please? That makes the most sense as it gives you the mounted abilities when Apollo actually can use them.
He'd still have Power Attack and Boon Companion but replace precise shot with mounted combat (I have that just at a higher level), then swap out ride by attack for Rapid Shot and add in Point blank shot instead.
Seems to make more sense really.
Did I ever ask about Gnoll Bane arrows at the time of discussing a Gnoll Bane hammer? It was definitely on the agenda.
Thanks lein. :)
You can re-train, as per the retraining rules, but you need to spend time doing it, and depending on what you're re-training money might be necessary. You also need to find a person that is both higher-level than you AND has the requisite class feature that you're looking for. For example, if you're looking for the Cleave feat, you need to find a 6th-level character that has the Cleave feat.
For the record, Dmitri hasn't jiggled things around at all, though he asked to. I advised him against it.
Ah right okay, so I couldn't do the following at all?
Current: Combat Style - Archery
1. Power Attack
2. Precise Shot
3. Mounted Combat
4. Ride by attack
5. Boon Companion
Desired change: Combat Style - Mounted Combat
1. Power Attack
2. Mounted Combat
3. Point Blank Shot
4. Rapid Shot
5. Boon Companion
Apollo hasn't actually used anything other than Power Attack and Precise Shot (used this once in the entire campaign I believe), so if it were allowed, we could just say he got lucky with his shot earlier on, but in game he's not used feats 3 and 4. Feat 5 would be the same regardless.
Edited my above post too.
Thank you. :)
P.s. It's not to make him stronger as these are still the same feats I'll be using overall. It's just so he can actually use his feats and not essentially waste 3 levels because I didn't know what I was doing at the time of making him.
The way I had it before, I'd have been able to ride Nom by level 9. The bottom option, I can still ride him by level 9, so really it doesn't change a lot.
You could, you'd just need to find a ranger with more ranger levels than you and the mounted combat combat style. You'd also need to find characters that have Point Blank Shot and Rapid Shot and are higher-level than you.
No, I don't believe that you asked about gnoll bane arrows.
Ah right, so it's pretty much impossible then. :/
Damn, was hoping to change that having not any actual purpose for having those feats in character, or using them. In character perspective nobody's seen him use them and he hasn't used them so essentially although his build says he has them, he doesn't yet have those abilities.
He can't use any of his mounted feats until he reaches level 9, so yea, that's why I asked.
we aren't likely to find anyone a higher level than us and I was really hoping to get some Gnoll Bane arrows. Yay for being incredibly weak against the only enemy Apollo cares to truly fight "at his best".
It's not my responsibility to fix your own character building mistakes.
You can use your mounted feats if you were to only buy a horse, but you're choosing not to.
Also, even though you're the heroes of the story, you're hardly the most powerful things in the world. You will encounter many things that are more powerful than you are, and if you want to make friends, then they might train you.
The only reason I was able to, I believe, was because of the year downtime, where I most certainly would have had the time to do so, such as with home visits to a bunch of succubi...
Ah. The Lillithaian church. Where house calls and booty calls are the same thing.
Yea, I know. It's my responsibility which is why I asked lol. First ever Ranger I made and when you brought things up saying you don't know why I chose them as I did, I had another look at things and came back to you on it, taking it as a hint that you'd allow me to change it, so it's pretty frustrating/irritating that I can't and adds to the annoyance of not finding a Gnoll Bane Hammer and then adds to the annoyance of not having Gnoll Bane arrows.
Ultimately for something that was meant to be awesome, it's anything but, so it's likely I'll just fire one pot shot off at Ghartok and then die going toe to toe with him because I can't do enough DPR with only one arrow, nor can I do a great deal with my hammer, nor can I use the feats I have. What fun this is.
If I realised this in downtime I'd have done it, but seeing as I haven't actually used any of those abilities or done anything in game for them to even be there (I haven't ridden on anything for the gap year), I figured and was hoping to change it. The only thing you needed to do was say yes or no and you've gone with the more annoying of the two options so I can't say much else other than I'm stuck with this.
Was tempted to quit this campaign and start again but that would also be pointless as we've done a fair bit and I'm not one for replaying things over and over.
Brek, you have my deepest condolences. It is never easy losing a loved one.
I'm very sorry that it's annoying for you that you can't re-spec in the middle of a combat. I didn't say "no, you can't re-spec" I told you that you need to do it in-character.
Yea, though for one that's impossible before I reach level 9, making it pointless and secondly, I didn't request to do it in combat.
His feat selection hasn't been made in character anyway. The only one that has is Power Attack. The rest I have no backstory for even in the gap year. It's as simple as "click" I can now do this. So not using them, it would have made things more fun to adjust them to something useable instead of having the same ability from level 2 to level 9, because the more I select feats, the more I'd need to retrain, so in other words I cannot select any feats from this point onwards.
I'm just going to say this once.
We have an enlarge person wand. Enlarge person costs 50 gold. All gear on said person gets bigger with them. You just need a small saddle and 1 casting.
Rather than retraining, just buy like 1000 if you want them to be second caster level. Also don't take any mounted feats for now, and grab something like Furious Focus, or Weapon Focus. Deadly aim is also an option.
As much as you grandstand, I'm not going to let you do it without some in-character justification. You chose the feats, even after my advice is the beginning of the game that you avoid choosing feats that don't have in-character significance, and it's nobody's responsibility but your own to fix it, and nobody's responsibility but your own to bear the consequences of your poor build choices.
I don't know what you're talkin' about with "can't choose any feats from here on out". Just choose the feats that you don't have, but want, from here on out. So like, for your next feat, (level 7 you could have two feats (fighter 1 ranger 6 or fighter 2 ranger 5)) pick Point Blank Shot and Rapid Shot. How is that not selecting feats? And when you retrain, just slot them backwards in your feat order and re-train the earlier feats to later feat slots.
i do believe it is brek and apollo's turns, actually. The salamanders go at once so we could really post out of order if we wanted to since this fight has no battlemap.
I'm going on a trip for the next three or four days and I'm not bringing my computer, so I'll be AWOL. I'll be back with posts by Wednesday, I believe.
Lemme just post right now so that the others who are actually fighting can post.
Am Back. Will be slowly reading through to see.
Welcome back Brek
Just to update you, I'm currently typing from work as I have severe internet issues at home and very limited access on my phone.
I'll keep you updated as much as I can.
Thanks!
Edit: As for the build choices, my point was I cannot choose feats because if I do, from my Ranger style, I'll be getting the same feats twice, which is why I wanted to change my combat style so as not to allow this to happen.
My design choice may have been poor but hey, we're not all good from the start. I simply asked to change it as you brought the issue up, making me assume you would allow me to change it. I just simply don't see an issue with changing feats I haven't used.
This is just a heads up. I will have limited accessibility due to travel from 25 Jul until 9 Aug. I will have my computer, but will only be able to post as the wife and available internet access allow.
Net's back up and when it's my go, I'll likely do something, though Apollo's not interested in combat right now. These creatures aren't his targets.
As for feats, I'll likely not be choosing any for the next 4 levels because every time I choose one, that's another one I'll have to retrain later. Makes no sense. If we could have ruled it that I learned the others in the year out, that would have been awesome, but seeing as I have no Gnoll Bane anything when we're reaching the peak of Apollo's story ark (from his perspective), it's a massive letdown because I'm hardly in my prime fighting when I can't even fire off more than one arrow a round. Swear I asked for Gnoll Bane Arrows at the time of my Hammer, but if not, then fool on me.
I want to make it a point that I'll be inviting 700+ people before I let this campaign die. I'm well aware everyone is severely inconvenienced at the moment, but this is one I very much want to see to the end.
I'm fine now. Net's been fine for a while and I've had time off of work (still do), but I've just lost a lot of interest in the campaign due to how things with Apollo have panned out.
I'm of the opinion that you're probably overreacting.
You only need to find people that have all of the feats you're looking for. It doesn't cost anything or use any time to re-order your feats, so there's nothing stopping you from taking feats in the future.
Not only that, but in large cities, like there are in the game, there are THOUSANDS of people. That's even...dozens of people with class levels in fighter or ranger. What makes you think you can't find somebody that has Rapid Shot? Or an archery ranger?
Also, when you get closer to finishing this adventure, I'll start up a separate recruitment thread. Hopefully one with fewer posts on it has a greater chance of attracting supplicants.
In all honestly, your passive-aggressive attitude towards me is one of the things making me feel this way.
"I'm of the opinion you're over-reacting" is hardly a friendly statement, but these kinds of statements have been thrown about for a considerable amount of time now.
Beforehand, regardless of how you felt, I didn't instigate a thing. I simply have a different playstyle to what you're used to and if things are said bluntly on here, I can take offense because it's not easy to interpret another persons feelings/intentions over text.
I have no need to retrain anything but my Combat Style after my encounter with Ghartok, which is why I asked if I could change things out for the period of the year gap, having not used any of Apollo's feats since before that time. It was easier, would be more fun for me and actually give me the motivation and excitement I need to get back to posting again.
You said no to this and immediately took things down to a personal level once more, and so my enjoyment is running on empty, because for something that was meant to be the pinnacle of Apollo's development, he's the most useless character out of the bunch.
The only way I can see myself getting any enjoyment out of this now is giving myself the feats I want in the specific order I want them and then getting a hold of this part of the AP and running the whole encounter for myself.
It's not fun and it's a completely boring way of doing things, but I had no intention of ever playing past Ghartok, thinking it was either he or I and if he kills me, so be it and if I kill him, well, I'd be in unfamiliar territory that would likely keep me interested and determined to succeed.
I can post regularly. I'm just very tired of the attitude you seem to have towards me, when my reason for playing is to escape reality and chill out, not put up with more stress. I'm 27 and you're like 18 or 19 and sadly, it's quite apparent you have no respect/no interest in being friendly towards me.
I mention this because I'd like the attitude to stop and for us to just get on with things, but until I can either change my feats or find at the very least some Gnoll Bane arrows, there's little reason to carry on, which is why Apollo's now looking for the Earth Elemental....to find some Gnoll Bane Arrows.
Just as a fleeting point, but age isn't really a factor in this.
I'm sorry you think I'm being unfriendly and immature. I'm not really sure what to do about that, but you trying to manipulate me into doing what you want is not appreciated.
I'm not manipulating you. It's just a very strange idea you'd say no when to me, as a GM also, if a character hasn't used their chosen abilities, I'd personally have no issue letting them change things, especially when something means so.much to them story wise. I gm to keep things fun, not dictate. Even if you say no to feat changing, it wouldn't hurt to say you know what, you bought these arrows you want in your year gap. After bringing up that my build is useless, that's what's made me so unhappy with it and made me want to change it (I wouldn't have reviewed it otherwise), it would be nice just to have something to make my fight with him worthwhile.
You know how much I wanted the Gnollbane hammer, so of course I'd have grabbed (speaking from Apollo's perspective) Gnollbane arrows if they were available instead.
Like I Saud though, I cannot select any feats because the feats I would now need clash with those from my chosen combat style, so until I can change my combat style to mounted combat, I can no longer choose feats, otherwise I'll have to retrain every feat I have from level 2 onwards. By not choosing feats, I only have feats from level 2-5 to retrain. It weakens me even further but like I said, if I can't change them, it's my only option.
There is also one thing you can do about coming across unfriendly. Simply give nicer responses instead of angry, authoritative, defensive ones. It's easy to rectify if you can be bothered.
Then if you want to do nothing to further my enjoyment, that's your call, but to me, it's hardly cheating changing things when you haven't used them in the first place. Not using them weakens me further. It doesn't give me an advantage.
And it kind of is Dmitri. There was also no need to put in your comment, as it was clearly only to stir things. Your character would act that way, but it's not appropriate ooc.
Listen, I never told you that you couldn't change your feats. It isn't my responsibility to make up for your poor choices in the past. Beyond that, we had real-life weeks where the party was in Kelmerane, a perfect time to purchase things, sell things, or re-train. It also isn't my fault that you didn't think of changing your feats until your character was in the middle of a combat, in a volcanic cave.
If you want to insult me based off of age, Apollo, do it to me. Dmitri is right, my age hardly matters here. Despite what older people may have drilled into you all your life, my opinions are no less valid because I am younger. This is more important because I'm your GM.
Listen, I'm sorry you aren't having fun, and I want to give you the opportunity to rectify your past mistakes, but not right now. The IC situation is just too inappropriate.
Beyond that, trying to pretend that you aren't trying to manipulate me is a joke. I've already given you my decision, and you continually are trying to guilt-trip me into letting you have what you've already asked for. I understand your predicament, and I have from the beginning, and I already let you know what I think of it. Further attempts to convince me, using a.) my character is useless and it's all your fault! (actually not true, your character's build is your responsibility) b.) you're young and you don't know how to respect yet! You should just respect me and give me what I want! (Invalidating my opinions based off of my age isn't really going to put you where you want to be with me) c.) You're ruining my fun! My feats are useless! (You know, there are actually none of your feats that you're incapable of using. Three of them, you use quite frequently (Power Attack, Precise Shot, and Boon Companion) and two of them you are capable of using, but aren't doing what you could be doing to use them. Besides, PbP is all about role-play. The power of your character doesn't matter as much, because I am going to challenge the party as well as I can without killing them. I'm in this for a story, not for a meat-grinder.)
Your enjoyment of things depends almost entirely on your attitude. This isn't some s&&*ty event: this is a game. I'm sorry it's not turning out exactly how you want it to, but what you make of it is entirely up to you.
What you're making it right now isn't helping anybody, including yourself. All it's doing is making me frustrated with you.
I'll be gone from 21st to 29th Aug on training camp so Logging on may not be easy for me.
So we may be in a bit of a bind.
Aeris' player's just let me know that he doesn't want to play in this game anymore. What do y'all think we should do?
Continue unerringly after a DM decision of whether he wants to continue or not. Me and Kori, I assume, most certainly still wish to pursue the campaign, and I can't frankly complain about Aeris. He was dealt poor rolls due to being unlucky, and the stagnation lately from Apollo's late attitude and lack of presence is only making it worse.
I should point out that I'm most certainly entirely for continuing even if it's just me and Koritylija alone. Brek is just gone at the moment, but I imagine he wants to pursue this as well.
Yep, still here, and in for the long haul.
In for the long haul.
Alright, give me a couple days to get the motivation back and I'll do some wiggling and get us to a place where we can get rid of the folks that are just hangin' on.
Apollo still around?
If I knew I could retrain (honestly, I was only aware Fighters could do that), then I'd have asked in Kelmerane.
Anyway, yea I'm here. Been away to Gamescom and managed to interview CD Projekt Red (guys behind The Witcher 1, 2 and 3). The third instalment's looking good!
It's in the official rules. Here, read up.
Hey guys! I started another recruitment, and there are some more hits on it because it had 0 posts on it.
I'll move us forward posthaste.
I make it a point to include most of Dmitri's exploits and personality traits in your recruitments Lein, seeing as how Dmitri is the biggest deterrent to joining.
We've blazed one hell of a story, however.
http://www.livestream.com/duborissden
Seems a little impudent, but I'm about to start a livestream and draw my Eidolon for a campaign I'm in. So if anyone wants to come watch to pass the time and chitchat about the games we're in that'd be spectacular.
Heya long time no see!
Saw the recruitment and the fact(?) that Apollo has quit. So I'd be down to rejoin the game if you'd have me!
I NOMINATE ANGMAR. I NOMINATE ANGMAR SO SO VERY HARD. I miss that damn dwarf and I'd LOVE to see him suddenly burst in from the roof after a long time of being gone.
SWEET JESUS I WOULD LOVE THAT.
I LOVE YOU TOO DEMON WORSHIPPING NYMPHOMANIAC!
COME BACK YOU BEAUTIFUL SONOFAB@#%*.
I'd totally be down to have you back, regardless of who has or hasn't quit.
IF you're coming back, please do level up to 5 and catch up on gameplay, though.
*Spastic internal explosions of happiness*
Is it bad if Dmitri thoroughly enjoyed Angmar's company? He was a no nonsense dwarf that was lawful to a tee and respected his deity. Fine traits in Dmitri's eyes.
Aight I'll see if Apollo pops back up and look into how to level Angmar. Pretty much only need a feat some spells and skill ranks.
How did you handle loot after my departure?
I think we didn't actually sell the axe, but I can't be sure. I'm pretty certain you might still have it, but it basically all landed in a spreadsheet.
I want your opinions on who to select.
Should I take only one, provided Angmar's return, or should I take the promised two? And who are your favorites?
Currently, I'm oscillating between taking Sonja, the cleric, Cahal, the desert druid, and Nysstar, the arcanist.