Yea, well I think the rest of us are still interested. Not so sure about Sabeen. I keep forgetting she's playing, as she's not very active, but myself, Dmitri, Kori and Angmar I think are still very much in, so I hope he comes back because I'd like this to continue at least until we have a TPK. :p
And hey, even if people don't technically quit I can still bring more people in to keep party numbers high :D
Besides, four is the normal number.
This is true. :p
Hey sorry guys i was super busy and as Leinathan stated i was away from the house for several days and i apologize for not warning you, thank you for waiting sorry X/
No worries man. :p
Everything is fine.
I'll reply a bit later.
It's 7.20am here and I need sleep!
Anyway, if maps haven't been shown to people by then, I'll send them out myself. :)
Apollo likes branching off by the way. That could be a very bad thing, especially for Nom, but I'm thinking he won't truly be alone if Keth remains by his side, or people decide to follow him.
We'll see what happens, as there's lots of fun to be had. :p
@Apollo: While I appreciate the fast pace of the game as I've played this part of the adventure before myself, I have to say I think you are going too far with driving the game. Especially considering you have plenty of OOC knowledge of the game it might be better you slowed the pace a bit to let others weigh in on decisions.
Following on Angmar's comment, sometimes with PbP, it's not good to claim absolute actions.
Saying "Goes inside" is different than "Begins to head inside". The first does not allow any interaction on the part of the other players. The second allows someone to post an interruption like "Don't just barge in, you'll get us all killed, let's move as a group."
Dmitri assumed someone was going in with him, but that may have not been the case. Kori would have rather gone in the hole in the wall if asked, but no one asked so she followed who she thought was most competent. PbP are slow for a reason, because sometimes you just have to wait for most of the rest of the group to add their input. You can't act in them like you would around the table because the response time of others may be hours, so you need to temper your actions a little to allow others to do something.
With that in mind, and since it will almost never come from Kori, what will it take for Apollo to learn to stop running off? He and Keth got pretty beat up by the plants, and they were inactive. What happens when he comes across enemies that will continue to fight? I do not want to TPK because half the team runs off some other direction. Even Kori being the dumbest in the group understands strength in numbers, animals understand strength in numbers, it would be nice if we all bear it in mind.
As a general rule, what Kori says is right. Absolute actions shouldn't really be happening unless I gave you a DC and you rolled for it XD Especially in a party this size, anyone could be wanting to say anything hours after you post.
Let me know though, guys, if I'm going to fast. I can always just cut down my posting time to after everyone has posted each time. I certainly will be doing that during combat (although that's necessary).
Apollo does too, but he's confident in his own abilities.
Btw, I haven't gone inside. I made a stealth check to get to the hole in the wall and made a perception check to look in. I actually stated I made my way to the hole in the wall, not once saying I walked straight in. I wouldn't have rolled a stealth check followed by a perception check if I didn't want to hide around the corner.
I've also spent the equivalent of 2 rounds tying bedroll to my back.
This gives you all chance to say what you'd like to do.
Anyway, Apollo likes exploring so he'd stray a bit but not too far out of the way, as he has Nom to worry about and wants to keep the group alive. However, if he wants to look at something, he will do his thing because I just find it more fun as a player to go with what my character would do.
@Angmar - Only reason I post so much is because I want others to as well.
I understand they may not be able to as much as me (I'm currently unemployed), but I always prefer real life games to PBP's and the pace right now is something I really like and am happy with. When things slow, I tend to lose interest fast, and I post because some of you don't post for 2-3 days, so I like things to continue, especially as Lein asked for at least 1 post a day.
I'm also not meta-gaming, so marching off on my own is dangerous, but Apollo is just a curious guy. So far he only sticks with Keth because that's who he trusts.
It's also been around a year or two since I last played this, and we only reached near the end of book 1 before a tpk. :)
Edit: I'm pretty sure the only absolute decision I made was to go and get the goat myself, with only half of the party joining, but it was clear the reasons were in character and I did actually make a point of literally dragging Keth along with me. It was also a successful mission.
You guys were busy in Convo, so Apollo left as he doesn't know you all etc.
Hmm. If it bothers you how I play, then I guess I can stop playing, but seeing as there are literally no groups that play locally to me (in real life), this is my only chance to play.
Play by posts are slower and to me this is still very slow paced, but is one of the faster paced PBP's I've been in.
No one is saying you should stop playing, and as you'll see, my post was directed to both you and Dmitri. Nor was it my intent to upset, as I was trying to point out something that may be fairly new to those new to PbP.
More concern is more the basic, yet slightly meta concept that rings true across almost all games, "Never split the party." It's not metagaming for any PC to be aware that there is safety in numbers. In fact if Apollo is a protective sort at all, he would possibly stay close to those he thought needed protection (perhaps Sabeen or Keth).
Now you may have taken time to get off your camel, taken time to grab your hammer, and taken time to bundle your bedroll, then walked up to the hole. But it all took place over the course of two sentences, in a single post. No one had a chance to act or respond in that time. Anything we may have said or done would have purely required a rewind and replay.
That it where the issue arises with Dmitri's absolute actions. He not only approached the door and opened it. He also entered the room, walked down the hall, and looked at things. Any action we take becomes mostly as relevant as "I follow him". I would have had Kori try to sneak to the door and peek in, but there is no point because he walked up, opened, and went inside before most of us had a chance to act/react.
It is not anger at the way either of you play, or telling you how it has to be done. It is a reminder that PbP's work a little differently, and to bear in mind that it is for all of us. When anyone dominates the actions, making all the decisions simply by posting first and more frequently, it makes the others less a part of the team and more just followers until it's time for combat. Some people are okay with just following until a fight breaks out, I am not one of them.
Our conversation is a perfect example. We had a long talk, that in no way pushed the story forward while we waited for the others. If you want to post to encourage others to do so, the best method is by engaging them in conversation, since it often provokes response. Taking any action that does not require another PC to act on, actually discourages some posters, because they see that things have moved, so what they may have posted has become unnecessary.
It is not anything wrong with your playing, nor am I trying to say as much. Kori doesn't care that you walk ahead, but I do. So I was just trying to express concern for the group OOC, since she wouldn't do it IC.
In my defense, I didn't actually open the door. I was wanting to test to see if it could be forced, but in doing so, it kind of opened. Then there was nothing in the immediate room. After that I walked in and heard cackling.
As for my other absolute actions beyond that, It's merely Dmitri's Sadomasochism kicking in and he makes stupid life decisions when that happens.
I'm also quite content with how things have went and can't wait to see how this next bit goes :D
Well yea, but I'm 8 hours ahead of you guys and yet I still post more frequently, so the easier way is for you guys to just post more if you don't like the way others play.
If your character is fine with it, then just roll with it as you can just play out what your character would do regardless.
I'm not annoyed in any way. I just pointed out you guys were being assumptive and misinterpreting actions. I post a lot because I enjoy this. I'm also doing my own thing, meaning nobody has to follow anything Apollo does. It's down to you guys to roleplay that.
I'm also doing my own thing, meaning nobody has to follow anything Apollo does. It's down to you guys to roleplay that.
I was not meaning to offend you and I might have misinterpreted some things here and I have no desire for you to leave the game.
However as Kori has pointed out above this is still a team game and there is safety in numbers. Your statement above indicates to me that you disagree with this. Call it roleplaying, I call it asking for trouble.
Well, yea, technically you should only ever go around in a team and I agree with that because otherwise the party is likely to be killed, but I just play with less restraints than most.
I've told Lein that I don't like safety nets in roleplay and if I die, I'm usually responsible for my own death, but I know of the rule most people like to follow, which is staying in a team at all times.
It's just at this point, Apollo only trusts Keth, he's unsure of Sabeen, he's not spoken really with Dmitri at all, and with Kori taking the pee out of him for being hurt by cacti (you all would have been most likely), as amused by it all as he is, he's doing his own thing to show the woman up, see how well she survives without his aid and show how well he can survive alone, or at least with few people by his side.
I didn't really want to give anything away because it bothers me when people worry like this, as it prevents mystery in roleplay, but he actually does care about others. He thinks Sabeen is nice, is unsure of what to think about Dmitri, but wants to show Kori that she should learn to respect others and be happier with herself, so what I'm doing with him is beneficial to most.
Just now I've given the game away because you guys are worried and I wish you hadn't have asked. :/
Anyway, whatever. Let's get this game continuing. :)
I4 and J5 are dead by my and Kori's turns. That basically means that Kori, who goes second in comparison to the Pugwampi, has freed up access to the Pugwampi in J9.
After my turn, I4 is dead.
You know, Dmitri, that you have a normal attack modifier of +2, right? Because you're a Fighter with a STR of 12, you have +1 due to STR and +1 due to BAB. Your charge attacks should resolve at +4.
Yea. Thanks for the info Kori, but Lein already told me the same thing. I simply copy and pasted the whole line to save time. :-)
Yeah I've been trying to figure that out. When I punch in "Equip" on hero lab with that scythe, it makes it +1 for some reason, but when I unequip it, it's +2.
Weird.
Regardless, that pugwampi, dr 2 or not, is dead/disabled. Right?
Yes, the pugwampi is at -1 hit points as per your first damage roll. Just make sure you only roll damage once from here on out.
I thought we were supposed to reroll them as potentially separate attacks. I'll remember to do it, though.
In other news, Hooray for carnage!
so im super confused is there a chess board that were standing on? :P
Yes. March fourth you pawns!
Have a look at my post straight after Lein's Initiative post. It's the top line of my post. :)
I've asked Lein to put it in the campaign info section for easy reference to you all, but it didn't take me long to make. Was just a quick edit, so I might just do that instead of redrawing all of the maps, because it's just easier labelling them with a grid. :p
http://imageshack.us/a/img22/9074/fight1cathedral.jpg
Or you know. We could link it.
That works too.
(Never hyperlink one of these again.)
Lol, never hyperlink one? I thought it would be easy enough to find by typing "position yourselves", but the point is, I asked for it to be placed in the campaign info tab so we don't have to search through these pages to find it.
I also made it so you just have to click a sentence and it takes you there, rather than copy and pasting it, so I don't see the issue personally.
Also, I don't know the forum rules on such a subject, so I sneakily hid it so it wouldn't be removed if it wasn't allowed to be posted.
It works hyperlinked, as long as you make clear where the map is in the link. Most often it stands out as blue... the same color as ooc text so they can get lost sometimes. I hyperlink all of mine like this....
If you'd prefer to do them Kori, we can use yours in future, but for this fight we've already stated positions from the other map, so let's go with it. :)
Are you actually allowed to post this stuff, because I thought it pretty much made void on all paizo folio's posting it publicly.
If it is, I'll just title it Map from now on, but hey, like I said, I tried to hide it and give subtle hints, though it would be easy to access in campaign info, as nothing gets posted there really. :)
The problem wasn't really anything other than it was blended in so perfectly that hardly anyone noticed it XD
Kori's rendition, however...
Haha, ah well. Shouldn't have focused my post with a +20 to stealth. XD
I don't know how the thing with the maps works, because I just use chunks, normally black out portions, and every one I post has marks all over it from my games. I try looking into other PbP's for maps, but they just use other methods.
I've just PM'd Sabeen about her level of activity. I'll wait until I get home tomorrow afternoon for her to post this round before I DMPC her and continue into round 2.
It's a huge shame, but maybe it's worth bringing someone else in, as I just found Dan E (master account of Sabeen's), saying this in another thread, two and a bit hours ago:
Well if we consider ourselves in danger mode I propose we're sleeping inside an extended rope trick from Marcus. Happy to be at the end of any watch as Okoya suggests.
Guys I'm off on holidays today for a week to the Maldives. Get the impression net access is spotty if at all so please bot me in the interval.
He/she hasn't posted once in the discussion thread for this campaign (from what I'm aware of), and didn't let us know about this beforehand, so I'm assuming he/she's not really that interested and I guess having her post once every two to four days may make that more apparent.
I tried to rp with the character too, but got no response on both occasions, so I feel it could just be an off putter in the roleplay. I don't want to stop people from playing, but if Sabeen doesn't play much in the first place, there's very little point in having her with us.
Up to you what you do, but you may want to put out a recruitment for this, if people are happy with that, for the next given chance to have them join us. Might be worth saying this is a fairly fast paced PBP, so you only want frequent posters.
The rest of us seem to post enough and enjoy things, mind. :)
Apollo has a point. Out of all of us, Sabeen has posted the least, and what with vacationing on his/her end, we may want to consider something.
Then again, keep in mind that that's a tell-tell excuse to get out of a game, though, and if he did it over there he may have been uninterested in *that* game.
He might just not be a frequent poster.
With that being said, I believe if you dmpc sabeen at the moment, this combat, and the rest of the adventure, mind you, would go much smoother.
I agree. Or at least until the Monastery section is over, then you could have someone come in with Almah as presumably by then, a level 2 character who Garavel recruited but didn't hear back from.
Better late than never, eh? :p
I seriously can't wait to crit something in this campaign.
Why, cause a x4 critical damage on the scythe?
Patience, padawan. There are many, many enemies for you to slaughter in this module.
In fact, just to give away a teeny bit, there are something like 30 creatures in this BUILDING.
Well, looks like Apollo and Dmitri now have flanking. :p
Here is an instance where going in order prevents having to make extra posts in a sense.
Kori, goes before Dmitri, and would have went for the one he attacked. If she did this, he couldn't have charged.
Had I went with her original intended action, Dmitri would have to change his.
Keth goes before Apollo, and if his rolls would kill the one in front of him, apollo's action would have been against a different one, which would have been flanked by Kori.
Each one after, that posted before the one before it would have to keep changing each time the the one before killed or affected one of the targets.
It's workable, but you kind of need to change actions to purely us them, and only the order you post in is the order the actions take. In that instance though, it makes initiative an almost pointless stat, since turns become simply first or last.
Huh.
You have a point there.
So do you think for future combats, we should post in initiative order? It would keep the combats much more...organized.
I agree, though I don't think it's a huge problem, because it still doesn't effect your actions against the GM controlled enemies, as you still go in initiative order in that sense, but I don't mind how things are going tbh.
It adds a little extra flavour to the roleplay if you see it from your characters point of view.
"Argh, Dmitri, get out of my way! I was heading there!" etc.
I personally am a fan of it, and depending on the group it can work. Though it does make the combats slow as well.
Otherwise, the person that is last in order needs to post all it's action with contingencies. "I will do this.. unless she kills it, then I will do that. If the other one is dead from him before I get there, I do this instead."
I kind of prefer initiative order. The only reason we really tried to not do it was mostly as a result of Sabeen.
Then again, this only happens if 2 people are particularly close-nit with the same person, and I do Apologize, Kori.
Not really, because he wouldn't be there. She would be there, and he has to change his action, maybe not charging, and what if he misses because he didn't charge (just needed the +2).
EDIT: it's a reply to Apollo above.
Np, Dmitri, I just modified my actions to adjust.
It becomes a big issue with enemies of different types, with different abilities. I would hit this guy, but not that one, or maybe Dmitri would have flank for his enemy and hit but didn't counbt it because I wasn't there yet.
Well, I'm happy to continue with the weird initiative we have, but I don't really mind either way. Whatever you guys are happy with. :)
I really like playing with you guys and the campaign's been fun so far!
I'm getting more into better describing my actions in a cinematic way.
I think for the next battle, we'll make sure to post in initiative order. I'm just a bit disorganized right now and seeing what works.
Plus, Kori volunteered bringing in a new person :P
Ah really? Someone's lined up? A Cleric or spell caster perhaps? :p
Also, is Keth coming on tonight?