Dark Ages Vampire - Bloodlines

Game Master Dennis Harry

Bloodlines is a continuation of the now defunct table top Dark Ages Vampire game wherein the PC's have created lineal descendants throughout the ages.

Attendees seeking a seat or have a seat in the Inner Circle:

Assamite - Lord Bajazet al Nasir.

Brujah – Lady Meridie de Chancie, Lord Criatas, “Dark”Selena, Robin Leeland.

Cappadocian – Lord Benne.

Gangrel – Milov Petrankov.

Lasombra - Prince Narses the Archbishop of Nod

Malkavian – Antione le Fanu, Lutz von Hohenzollern.

Nosferatu – Cristo Petradon, Simon.

Salubri – Brian Stack.

Setites – Sadir.

Toreador – Rafael de Corazon, Francois Villon, Helene la Jouste.

Tremere - Radek, Mistress Fanchon.

Tzimisce – Myca Vykos.

Ventrue – Alyssa Gilbert, Lady Jadviga Almanov, Lanzo von Saschen, Prince Alexander.

Remember - only those listed get votes. Of course influencing their Childer can go a long way to getting a vote.

Social Combat:

Let me first thank Sir Dunstan and his excellent Game of Thrones campaign as the inspiration for this rules tweak. A shout out to Vitaliano who also does an excellent job as a player in that campaign.

Game of Thrones has a Social Combat system that, while not translatable directly, I used as inspiration for this campaign.

This is a proposed rules set and I am more than happy to hear feedback from Players before I implement it in full.

Roleplaying is still required to get your point across. However, I think a mechanical system could be beneficial for this scenario, a scenario quite unlike anything I have ever done in a Vampire game before.

Making My Case

To convince a “voter” to side with your Sire, you may roll the following set of Attributes and Abilities:

1. Against someone who is clearly NOT in your favor --- Manipulation+Subterfuge+Politics
2. Against someone who is NEUTRAL – Charisma+Expression+Politics

The difficulty of all rolls is that Cainites Willpower. You will need to score as many successes as they have Willpower to win the contest. Once you engage the voter, you will only have three rounds to make your case and can only attempt do so one time per night.

If you have Presence – Awe or Enrancement, you may attempt to use these powers in conjunction with the above roll. Each success utilizing that Discipline gives you one more success on your total roll.

Beware, failing in using Presence in Elysium can lead to Sanctions by Thomas Brexiano.

Also beware, Cainites may try to turn this system around on you…

But What if Someone Else Tries This on a Voter I just Brought to my Side?

Amount of successes is a key factor here, you will want to score as many success as you can to ensure that a rival does not try to take that vote from you!

Certain NPC’s already believe that others are in their favor and would never change their votes. Those will be the toughest cookies to break.

Note this system cannot be used on:

Your In-Clan rivals, no amount of sweet talking or bribes will change their minds they all want this position badly.

Prince Narses, he simply will not entertain such discourse. Of course, this does not mean you cannot try to get into the ears of one of his Childer to have them speak with him…

Discerning My Quarry’s Intent

How can I tell if someone is for or against me despite what they are saying?

Make a Perception+Empathy+Politics roll.

The difficulty is 10, less that Cainites Humanity score. Those closer to the Beast are much harder to read. For every Century over 300 years that Cainite has lived, the DC will be increased by 1, topping out at 10, as these Cainites have well and truly mastered this game to have existed for so long in the first place.

Once you engage the voter, you will only have three rounds to ferret out their intent and can only attempt do so one time per night. You will need to score as many successes as they have Willpower to ascertain their intent.

If you have Auspex – Read the Soul or Invade the Mind, you may attempt to use these powers in conjunction with the above roll. Each success utilizing that Discipline gives you one more success on your total roll.

How else can I make my case?

The use of Presence, while frowned upon, is much less cause for censure than using Dominate. Dominate does not work on a Cainite whose blood is closer to Caine than your own. If you seek to use Dominate to convince a voter (or perhaps one of the Childer?) to vote for your Sire, it would be best used elsewhere in the city.

Boons – the boon system of quid pro quo can also be used to gain votes. You will need to offer something of course that that voter does not have or cannot get from another candidate.

Eliminate my rivals. This one is obvious though failure to do so without detection may subject YOU to the Final Death!


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Male Nosferatu 6th Generation; BP 28/30, xp saved: 0, spent 155

Enjoy vacation!


Think in caught up. Kept getting confused back and forth with the mechanic.


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Alessandro Khadaji wrote:
Think in caught up. Kept getting confused back and forth with the mechanic.

Uh what? I get the second sentence the first one I don't quite follow :-)


Storyteller Shadow wrote:
Alessandro Khadaji wrote:
Think in caught up. Kept getting confused back and forth with the mechanic.
Uh what? I get the second sentence the first one I don't quite follow :-)

Typo... I was out of it for a bit, "I'm caught up."


In light of the new mechanic, may I expend 2xp for Expression 2?


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Alessandro Khadaji wrote:
In light of the new mechanic, may I expend 2xp for Expression 2?

Absolutely! :-)


The dice suck.


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Alessandro Khadaji wrote:
The dice suck.

Tell me about it, I have had some legendary failures with the dice roller on these Boards...


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We will keep a holding pattern on that scene for now as the Gangrel, Brujah, and Assamite Fledglings have yet to chime in :-)


Clan Malkavian Blood Pool 19/30

If I may, may I spend 1xp into politics? I believe...that is a 1 for 1 expenditure and I have 1xp left yes?

Also sorry for the long pause. A bit of writers block and also trying to find as much information as I could about my own Sire vs that of his opponent takes a bit of time to make a Pro Con sorting when you get distracted and frustrated.


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Vitaliano da Riva wrote:

If I may, may I spend 1xp into politics? I believe...that is a 1 for 1 expenditure and I have 1xp left yes?

Also sorry for the long pause. A bit of writers block and also trying to find as much information as I could about my own Sire vs that of his opponent takes a bit of time to make a Pro Con sorting when you get distracted and frustrated.

First dot is 3 xp, sorry :-(

Not a problem this thread is a marathon not a sprint!


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Alessandro Khadaji wrote:
The dice suck.

BTW, that is not a Botch yet! It is a cumulative roll system and you still have two more bites at the apple in this scene with Bajazet...


Hmm... Does trying to win over Simon and Bajazet count for the Urbane specialty?

I figure it's crossing social lines (low/high Clans), political lines (bloodlines, Clans), geographic and cultural.

Do my 10s count twice?


Apology for my long absence, Santa gave me a stomach flu or dysentery for all I care as a christmas present.

I'm back and starting to reading a wall of text now...


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The Warlord wrote:

Apology for my long absence, Santa gave me a stomach flu or dysentery for all I care as a christmas present.

I'm back and starting to reading a wall of text now...

Worry not much of it happens away from Dunstan so it will make it easier to sift through.


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Vacation plans got canceled. I will be trying to update the Campaign Info Tab this weekend as well as updating my offline campaign notes.

Likely I will update again Sunday evening as a result. This will also give a few people who have not posted in a few days a chance to catch up.

As we are nearing the end of this scene and moving onto the next scene all players receive:

2 more XP.

There will be two more scenes this evening both shorter than this one. Some of the PC's will be away from that scene but most of you will be in attendance. Then you will have some end of night time to wrap things up before Court begins the next night.


Clan Malkavian Blood Pool 19/30

Hazzah then....I shall grab rank 1 politics now then ^^


Vitaliano da Riva wrote:
Hazzah then....I shall grab rank 1 politics now then ^^

Ditto! Well, 1 more rank!


Shadow's Status

Day got away from me. Will be completing some behind the scenes information tonight. Tomorrow I have off so I will be able to update the thread I/C then.


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By tomorrow I will have all of the Statistics which are important to our new Social Combat system for ALL NPC's present (in case you want to start politicking those who don't have a vote but might have influence).

THEN, I will post updates and move the scene along.


I don't want to miss any rounds of carrying favor. Don't know how many round worth of dice are left.

2 for Simon.
1 for Bajazet?


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Alessandro Khadaji wrote:

I don't want to miss any rounds of carrying favor. Don't know how many round worth of dice are left.

2 for Simon.
1 for Bajazet?

Correct -

Simon 2.

Bajazet 1.


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Child sleep difficulties set me back a bit...

I will update tonight but will tally up rolls at the end of the scene once all rolls are complete.

Tomorrow night, I will move the scenes along to the next portion of the night. Any rolls not made can be made LATER on that night as they do not all need to be in succession.

@ Alessandro - I did not answer earlier, yes I believe that if you are properly specialized, the 10's will count twice.


Storyteller Shadow wrote:
@ Alessandro - I did not answer earlier, yes I believe that if you are properly specialized, the 10's will count twice.

I know better than to harass a time challenged and sleep deprived GM!

Thanks for the ruling!


More dice, more 1s.


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Alessandro Khadaji wrote:
More dice, more 1s.

Every player seems to get bitten by that bug now and again.


Male Nosferatu 6th Generation; BP 28/30, xp saved: 0, spent 155

I prefer around six dice for that rule of one reason for when I role more it always seems to chomp me


Shadow's Status

I am going to wait one more night to see if any stragglers post...

Then I will move on.


Male Italian (Toreador)

Sorry, I fell behind. Illness plauging the household among other things


Shadow's Status

Looking for a couple more updates before I move on, will move on fully Friday regardless.


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Our Gangrel unfortunately has informed me that he is unable to continue to make the commitment to posting. As a result, I have reached out to a few people to replace that Clan in Gameplay, Cantor will still be an NPC.

Once everyone checks in, the next scene will begin. That scene will be much shorter and structured than the prior one which was very sandbox.


Male Nosferatu 6th Generation; BP 28/30, xp saved: 0, spent 155

Sorry for my last few short posts will get it picked up again thanks and looking ever forward to the game


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Onfroi wrote:
Sorry for my last few short posts will get it picked up again thanks and looking ever forward to the game

No worries, not every post needs to be a Shakesperian soliloquy :-)


Shadow's Status

Will update the thread again tomorrow night.


Shadow's Status

Work is getting crazy. Will not be able to post again until Saturday or Sunday.


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Tomorrow at work will be a long day, I will move the game forward again Wednesday night. This will give some of you who wish to chime in (or chime in again) a chance to do so.


Male Nosferatu 6th Generation; BP 28/30, xp saved: 0, spent 155

I think the path of honorable accord is where Onfroi will fall so he will be looking for someone like that to link up with


Shadow's Status

Had a dinner party tonight I did not anticipate being so late. I will post an update tomorrow. I will also be introducing our new player tomorrow as well.


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That is a LOT of failed Conscience rolls...


Male Italian (Toreador)

Well, I'm glad Ranerius made his. Poor Innkeeper is going to have nightmares for days.


I think you area tough GM.


Male Nosferatu 6th Generation; BP 28/30, xp saved: 0, spent 155

A dc 6 or 7 for humanity is common and easy the best thing to do is raise your conscience and get off the road to humanity


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Alessandro Khadaji wrote:
I think you area tough GM.

That one was by the book.

The DC for the check is 6, the Sin on the Road was a rating 5. Your HUmanity is a 7. For each point below your Humanity rating is ABOVE the Sin, the DC is raised, thus for Alessandro, DC 8!

Though if you ask Xing and Michele they will confirm I am a much kinder and gentler DM than I used to be....


Telling the truth he is :)


Max Blood Pool/Current = 20/10

old age has made him soft.


How do we regain Humanity?


I was trying for the Chivalry Path XD

And I do have a rather significant flaw that hurts me with this I think.


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Xing Shi wrote:
old age has made him soft.

You are older then me buddy!

Updates tomorrow lot of shoveling today brain is as tired as the body... old age! :)


So basically it's a self regulating feedback loop?

It wants to keep you no higher than 5.

How do you regain Humanity?


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Alessandro Khadaji wrote:

So basically it's a self regulating feedback loop?

It wants to keep you no higher than 5.

How do you regain Humanity?

It is mechanical and yet not mechanical at the same time.

Vampire was initially envisioned as a "Storytelling game of personal horror". The idea being that the longer you exist the more likely it is that you will begin to falter and become less of a man.

To retain dots of the Road of Humanity, you must emulate Humans. But as you interact with them you are forced to use them as sustenance, sometimes control will slip and bad things happen the guilt of those acts forcing your Humanity ever downwards.

Only strict adherence allows one to be a Paragon (Road Rating of 8+).

Regaining Humanity can be done mechanically (2 x current rating per dot).

I am also considering a Roleplaying system for regaining Road points based on practicing NOT violating tenets of the Road. More on that when I have a chance to breathe as I need to think it through more!

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