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Dark Ages Vampire - Bloodlines (Inactive)

Game Master Dennis Harry

Bloodlines is a continuation of the now defunct table top Dark Ages Vampire game wherein the PC's have created lineal descendants throughout the ages.

Attendees seeking a seat or have a seat in the Inner Circle:

Assamite - Lord Bajazet al Nasir.

Brujah – Lady Meridie de Chancie, Lord Criatas, “Dark”Selena, Robin Leeland.

Cappadocian – Lord Benne.

Gangrel – Milov Petrankov.

Lasombra - Prince Narses the Archbishop of Nod

Malkavian – Antione le Fanu, Lutz von Hohenzollern.

Nosferatu – Cristo Petradon, Simon.

Salubri – Brian Stack.

Setites – Sadir.

Toreador – Rafael de Corazon, Francois Villon, Helene la Jouste.

Tremere - Radek, Mistress Fanchon.

Tzimisce – Myca Vykos.

Ventrue – Alyssa Gilbert, Lady Jadviga Almanov, Lanzo von Saschen, Prince Alexander.

Remember - only those listed get votes. Of course influencing their Childer can go a long way to getting a vote.

Social Combat:

Let me first thank Sir Dunstan and his excellent Game of Thrones campaign as the inspiration for this rules tweak. A shout out to Vitaliano who also does an excellent job as a player in that campaign.

Game of Thrones has a Social Combat system that, while not translatable directly, I used as inspiration for this campaign.

This is a proposed rules set and I am more than happy to hear feedback from Players before I implement it in full.

Roleplaying is still required to get your point across. However, I think a mechanical system could be beneficial for this scenario, a scenario quite unlike anything I have ever done in a Vampire game before.

Making My Case

To convince a “voter” to side with your Sire, you may roll the following set of Attributes and Abilities:

1. Against someone who is clearly NOT in your favor --- Manipulation+Subterfuge+Politics
2. Against someone who is NEUTRAL – Charisma+Expression+Politics

The difficulty of all rolls is that Cainites Willpower. You will need to score as many successes as they have Willpower to win the contest. Once you engage the voter, you will only have three rounds to make your case and can only attempt do so one time per night.

If you have Presence – Awe or Enrancement, you may attempt to use these powers in conjunction with the above roll. Each success utilizing that Discipline gives you one more success on your total roll.

Beware, failing in using Presence in Elysium can lead to Sanctions by Thomas Brexiano.

Also beware, Cainites may try to turn this system around on you…

But What if Someone Else Tries This on a Voter I just Brought to my Side?

Amount of successes is a key factor here, you will want to score as many success as you can to ensure that a rival does not try to take that vote from you!

Certain NPC’s already believe that others are in their favor and would never change their votes. Those will be the toughest cookies to break.

Note this system cannot be used on:

Your In-Clan rivals, no amount of sweet talking or bribes will change their minds they all want this position badly.

Prince Narses, he simply will not entertain such discourse. Of course, this does not mean you cannot try to get into the ears of one of his Childer to have them speak with him…

Discerning My Quarry’s Intent

How can I tell if someone is for or against me despite what they are saying?

Make a Perception+Empathy+Politics roll.

The difficulty is 10, less that Cainites Humanity score. Those closer to the Beast are much harder to read. For every Century over 300 years that Cainite has lived, the DC will be increased by 1, topping out at 10, as these Cainites have well and truly mastered this game to have existed for so long in the first place.

Once you engage the voter, you will only have three rounds to ferret out their intent and can only attempt do so one time per night. You will need to score as many successes as they have Willpower to ascertain their intent.

If you have Auspex – Read the Soul or Invade the Mind, you may attempt to use these powers in conjunction with the above roll. Each success utilizing that Discipline gives you one more success on your total roll.

How else can I make my case?

The use of Presence, while frowned upon, is much less cause for censure than using Dominate. Dominate does not work on a Cainite whose blood is closer to Caine than your own. If you seek to use Dominate to convince a voter (or perhaps one of the Childer?) to vote for your Sire, it would be best used elsewhere in the city.

Boons – the boon system of quid pro quo can also be used to gain votes. You will need to offer something of course that that voter does not have or cannot get from another candidate.

Eliminate my rivals. This one is obvious though failure to do so without detection may subject YOU to the Final Death!


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Bassanio and Baldemar are now NPC's.

Tonight I shall introduce the replacements players so we can begin moving forward.

Michael is on vacation and should be back soon.

Finn/Bagrat is on vacation as well.

Cristiano I am hoping will be posting soon.

I have 56 new posts in the gameplay thread, how many apply to me, if any?

I used to just skip past all the ones not from SS addressed to me, but since we're all moving towards a united story, I would rather not miss anything.
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Cristiano Lintini wrote:

I have 56 new posts in the gameplay thread, how many apply to me, if any?

I used to just skip past all the ones not from SS addressed to me, but since we're all moving towards a united story, I would rather not miss anything.

Right now, only the ones addressed to you specifically are relevant.

There should be:

one regarding Downtime in the Gameplay Thread (a LOT going on there) and

one bringing you into the current date.

You are currently observing the gathering of Cainites unfold from across the lagoon which is pretty far away from your current position (about 50 yards). No one can see either of you

Cristiano:
unless they have Auspex 6 or higher as you are under Simon's Cloak
Your Sire is waiting for most other guests to arrive for you to have your Grand entrance.
Male Italian (Toreador) Bloodpool 25? out of 40

Ranerius Bernerius at your service folks. I look forward to gaming with you all though I admit, it's been over ten years since I even played the 'old' Vampire Dark Ages so I've just about forgotten all the rules and then some.

Be gentle ;)

Well, I'm complete and will wait my time patiently when addressed, as I assume I'm under the same circumstance of just reading to get a feel for a bit.

6 years or so for me lol, so let's have fun.

I hope my post was accurate and that I did not forget anyone.......

Cristiano Downtime:

Quote:
On the third night, your Sire returns to Ca Formosa and brings you out to introduce you to one of his friends that dwells within the city, a Father Acampora. Before you go, Simon tells you that the Father believe him to be an Angel from Heaven, he will believe the same of you because Simon will tell him to. ”It is important that you do not let that Mystique wear off my Childe. The Father is not influential within the Vatican, I suppose we can call it Avalon now, but regionally, he is very influential within the Church”. The Father is quite affable and well pleased to meet you, especially as you are a local whose identity as an Angel trapped here on earth he is happy to keep secret.

Cristiano is quite honored to meet the Father, who his dad had spoken highly of, as it was Acampora who married Raffiano and Elizabeta. "Good evening Father. My dad has told me a lot about you two, and your misadventures in your youth. Its nice to finally meet you" He says, flashing an easy-going smile.
Male Italian (Toreador) Bloodpool 25? out of 40

Okay, I just read the earlier posts in this thread about how we could change vampire history.

This time, I'm hoping the Cappadocians escape the Giovanni (I just find the Caps more interesting) ;)

And are one of you playing Tremere? I hate those guys!

Ahem. Sorry, I'll try to stop my OOC biases
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LMAO, see how the Salubri are a Clan and the Ravnos are not? Wonder where they went... :-)
Male Italian (Toreador) Bloodpool 25? out of 40

Big Salubri fan, or not a fan at all of the Ravnos? or both? :)
5th Generation Cappadocian | Bloodpool: 23/40 | Willpower: 8/8
Ranerius Bernerius wrote:


This time, I'm hoping the Cappadocians escape the Giovanni (I just find the Caps more interesting) ;)

Being the resident Cappadocian, I share your hopes! ;)

Ranerius Bernerius wrote:
Big Salubri fan, or not a fan at all of the Ravnos? or both? :)

As the resident Salubri I hope the clan makes it to the modern era.....

Male Italian (Toreador) Bloodpool 25? out of 40

Well, if we succeed, this will be a very different Camarilla

Could be fun.
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Ranerius Bernerius wrote:
Big Salubri fan, or not a fan at all of the Ravnos? or both? :)

I just wanted to go in a different direction with both Clans.

Saulot is different in this version that he is in the Canon version.

You will encounter Ravnos and they will be unlike any you have encountered before I think. The "gypsy" line has been wiped away by the Tremere, those left behind are... different.
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Keep in mind Gentlemen (I think you are all men if one of you is a woman, my apologies) that when this Century ends, you will be playing different characters.

Your current character will either Embrace your next character or if you feel like playing a different Clan, we can discuss that as well. I do like the idea of keeping each Clan represented though Cristiano is not exactly a Nos.

My point is that what you are now is not what you will be when we (eventually) get to modern times.
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Cristiano Downtime:
The Father responds, "Had I but known that you housed such divinity within you I would have alerted Simon to the fact that I knew you already. God works in mysterious ways.

I know that your Father has at times strayed from the path the Lord set out for him. It seems that he walks again in the path of righteousness to have you as his son.

Tell me child, do you wish to receive communion?"

Male Italian (Toreador) Bloodpool 25? out of 40

NP. Toreador weren't my usual thing back in the day so other clans do tempt, but so far I'm enjoying this one
Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

I know it's not a kumbaya moment, But I was trying to engender some commeraderie.

Contemporaries, newly embraced, etc...
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As I am introducing the new players, I realized I overlooked an important facet in all existing players Downtimes. I will posting a small blurb relating to the issue for each of you when I have a moment, hopefully today.

Indeed welcome to all the new people :)
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There are a significant number of NPC'S. How are the posts reading involving multiple NPC'S? Should I create profiles for the more important ones such as your sires to make following the discussion easier or is it fine as is? Let me know your thoughts gents.
Silver Crusade
Male Clan Gangrel, Childe of Milov Petrankov - 5'10 Eastern European Male in his early 30's - Willpower: 3/7, Bloodpool: 8/20, 4 per turn, Survivor

I haven't had to deal with too many cases of multiple individuals speaking at once, but so far I'm fine.

And really, I'm just going to diablorize them all anyway, so no need for new profiles. KIDDING!
Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

Eh, keep it simple. Everything seems fine.
Clan Malkavian Blood Pool 19/30

I agree simple is good and so is their blood >.>

keep npc in the campgain info tab with basic info is fine with me :)
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Storyteller Shadow wrote:
As I am introducing the new players, I realized I overlooked an important facet in all existing players Downtimes. I will posting a small blurb relating to the issue for each of you when I have a moment, hopefully today.

Looks like that will have to wait till post vacation for me.

I will also update the Campaign Info tab for the new Players and some of the new NPC's.

Most of you seem to be fine with the In Game formatting for the various NPC's. This is nothing FYI, this Conclave has between 30 and 50 Cainites present at various times so many posts moving forward will look that way.

Wow!

Lots of things going on here. Hopefully I didn't miss a cue or someone speaking directly to me in any of that. It would be easy to miss some subtle detail of two....
5th Generation Cappadocian | Bloodpool: 23/40 | Willpower: 8/8

[spoiler=Downtime Lorenzo Cappelli]

Lorenzo cocks his head to the side, curious about what he has just heard. "Ambrogino's betrayal? I assume he intends to usurp Augustus as the head of the family? What powers did Ambrogino steal from you, Yeti?"

[/spolier]

Wow! This thread exploded with tons of posts.
Male Italian (Toreador) Bloodpool 25? out of 40
Sir Dunstan Füller wrote:
Wow! This thread exploded with tons of posts.

Yeah, don't blink, you'll miss it ;)

Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

Should we be rolling dice to see how we affect NPCs?
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Alessandro Khadaji wrote:
Should we be rolling dice to see how we affect NPCs?

No. At least, not yet. Soon enough that will be required. Your Sires are operating under certain assumptions that well... you'll see :-)

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Nice job of RP in the main thread Gents!

Ranerius, not too over the top at all, filling in some character history that is innocuous but flavorful is always welcome.

I am on vacation with all my notes at home. Continue to RP for that scene and I will move it along starting Tuesday.

Cristisno, please post updates to the Downtime open items as well as the IN Game thread for Tuesday. Thanks.

Michael Santo, reach out to me Tuesday so we can finalize your character updates.

Don't recall drawing a blade, but ok lol
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Sir Dunstan Füller wrote:
Don't recall drawing a blade, but ok lol

Does not mean he did not see one LOL ;-)

Silver Crusade
Male Clan Gangrel, Childe of Milov Petrankov - 5'10 Eastern European Male in his early 30's - Willpower: 3/7, Bloodpool: 8/20, 4 per turn, Survivor
Sir Dunstan Füller wrote:
Don't recall drawing a blade, but ok lol

In interpreted this " as he looks for a hidden dagger and waiting for the moment the muslim will attempt to strike him down", as "I'm trying to conceal drawing my hidden dagger".

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"Cantor" wrote:
Sir Dunstan Füller wrote:
Don't recall drawing a blade, but ok lol
In interpreted this " as he looks for a hidden dagger and waiting for the moment the muslim will attempt to strike him down", as "I'm trying to conceal drawing my hidden dagger".

Sounds reasonable to me.

I like the interplay for sure so far.

How is everyone enjoying coming together some of you years after the start of this campaign?
Male Italian (Toreador) Bloodpool 25? out of 40

Well, the blade thing has thrown me off as I'm still not sure if my character is supposed to see one or not ;)

But I've been enjoying it thanks to Dunstan and Giovanni giving me excuses to blab :)
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Ranerius Bernerius wrote:

Well, the blade thing has thrown me off as I'm still not sure if my character is supposed to see one or not ;)

But I've been enjoying it thanks to Dunstan and Giovanni giving me excuses to blab :)

It is a matter of perspective, no NPC saw one. Alyssa's and Meridie's reactions will be forthcoming ;-)

These reactions and the tension in the air is exactly what I wee looking for. Great job so far from old and new Licks alike!
Silver Crusade
Male Clan Gangrel, Childe of Milov Petrankov - 5'10 Eastern European Male in his early 30's - Willpower: 3/7, Bloodpool: 8/20, 4 per turn, Survivor
Ranerius Bernerius wrote:

Well, the blade thing has thrown me off as I'm still not sure if my character is supposed to see one or not ;)

But I've been enjoying it thanks to Dunstan and Giovanni giving me excuses to blab :)

As far as I'm concerned, we could easily retcon it to you resting a hand on your dagger rather than drawing it. I wasn't clear what your intentions where, so I just assumed you had drawn it. It's up to you either way, and I don't think it would really alter my attempted action. :P

I was looking for a dagger on the heathen muslim, I have no dagger on me, unless I would be expecting a fight and came properly dressed fr it.

Meh, it's your character interpretation, or maybe my poor wording.
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Either way we should keep it and anyone can react to it or not as they choose. Life is full of such misinterpretations and ambiguities.
Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

I assumed Malkavian and bat-scat insane.
Silver Crusade
Male Clan Gangrel, Childe of Milov Petrankov - 5'10 Eastern European Male in his early 30's - Willpower: 3/7, Bloodpool: 8/20, 4 per turn, Survivor
Sir Dunstan Füller wrote:

I was looking for a dagger on the heathen muslim, I have no dagger on me, unless I would be expecting a fight and came properly dressed fr it.

Meh, it's your character interpretation, or maybe my poor wording.

Ah, ok. I didn't see it that way at all, but now that you say it, I can, and that does put a very different spin on it. Now I see what the issue is. So, what do you want to do here? I can just completely ignore the action I posted as it didn't happen.

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"Cantor" wrote:
Sir Dunstan Füller wrote:

I was looking for a dagger on the heathen muslim, I have no dagger on me, unless I would be expecting a fight and came properly dressed fr it.

Meh, it's your character interpretation, or maybe my poor wording.

Ah, ok. I didn't see it that way at all, but now that you say it, I can, and that does put a very different spin on it. Now I see what the issue is. So, what do you want to do here? I can just completely ignore the action I posted as it didn't happen.

A simple misinterpretation go with it all should act accordingly!

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Sir Dunstan Füller wrote:

I was looking for a dagger on the heathen muslim, I have no dagger on me, unless I would be expecting a fight and came properly dressed fr it.

Meh, it's your character interpretation, or maybe my poor wording.

If a neonate thinks he needs a sword here he is sorely mistaken, drawing down here is a big mistake! :-)

Not that I think you think youneed one but just saying!

Cristiano Downtime:

"To be honest Father, my divinity was a recent revelation. It took meeting Simon to awaken that. As you said, God works in mysterious ways, and apparently part of that was not knowing what I truly was until a few nights ago." Thankfully, lying and telling people what they wanted to hear came naturally to Cris, so it was easy to play the role of angel for the Father.

"My dad is what he is, there's not much that will change that. He's too old and set in his ways to truly change. But, deep down inside, he's a good man.

As for communion, I have to admit, given my newfound state, I find such a prospect rather odd and a bit unsettling."

Regarding an IC response, beyond the post that was basically Simon telling me to wait, is there anything else I need to reply to?
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Cristiano Lintini wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

Regarding an IC response, beyond the post that was basically Simon telling me to wait, is there anything else I need to reply to?

No nothing besides engaging Simon probably worth asking him a few questions that come to mind as you have had little interaction with him over the course of the last 2 weeks since your Embrace.

I will reply to the Downtime when I get back from vaca. Feel free to move your Downtime discussion to the other RP issues as well, especially the encounter with

Cris:
Alejandro as that is necessary for you to begin to learn Obtenebration as well as learn what you REALLY are. Seeing your OTHER family will be interesting as well for both you and Simon...

Did you decide on your final 2 In Clan Disciplines?
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The Campaign Info tab has been updated.

Please check the list of NPC's and let me know if I have missed anyone you have encountered so I can add them.

I have updated our Dramatis Personae to reflect our new players and those who have been Embraced.

I have also linked the Discipline Avatars. These are the systems for Disciplines and supersede anything from prior editions of Vampire as they are the Dark Ages V20 Systems. Any House Rules will be reflected as well.

Note that significant amounts of rules have been posted in the Campaign Info tab, if you have a question, look there first as the answer may lay within. There are also House Rules listed.
Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

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