DM Barcas - Kingmaker: Rivers Run Red

Game Master Isaac Duplechain

As Newhaven rises, threats besiege it from all directions. To the north, the news of the last heir of House Rogarvia threatens the start of a new war. To the south, an empire of trolls and monsters grows.


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Male Human Cleric (Abadar) 7th / Fighter 1st / AC 24/10T/24F / HP 61 / F +10 R +3 W +11 / Init. +0 / Perc. +5 / Sense Motive +14

Well I guess my question would be whether or not you'd provoke an AoO due to reach if he's large or not, at which point I'd get out of dodge on your horse if you can also quaff a potion.

Of course, that's not very General Myrdal heroic-like :)

EDIT: You only have one Hero Point left?


What, you can't do 135 damage in a round? Weak.


Hmm.. no. Reading over my posts I see I only spent one this combat (second one Berrin spends in his life in the Stolen Lands IIRCC) and since, re-reading the hero point rules, a PC is capped at 3 unless he has the Heroes' Fortune feat then Berrin has 2 left. Might be a better idea to save them to ward of death... But then if the dragon hits with his AOO and drops Berrin to negative equal or more to his con score I can instead spent the pair to stabilize Barrin instead of the one to drink the potion..


DM Barcas wrote:
What, you can't do 135 damage in a round? Weak.

mmm.. no. Not yet anyway ;P

Scarab Sages Contributor

It seems I read this week you can't combine Expertise with defensive fighting. Basically, Expertise is Improved Defensive Fighting.


I've always read that you can. Do you have a source?

Scarab Sages Contributor

From the PRD: you can't combine total defense (as a full-round action), but there's no such comment on the "fighting defensively" synopsis. So absent a better source, I guess I'm only partially right. However, I might rule as such in my games in the future to avoid AC 30+ characters at level 6 or 7.

I note also that you can only fight defensively when making attack rolls, which will irritate some of the guys I game with. Sort of falls under "why can't I Quickdraw a scroll" reasoning: Why can't I dodge and weave while spellcasting/running/tumbling?

Before Nikolai attacks, can someone link me to what my belt of giant strength actually does? There was something different about it and I want to make sure I don't waste a useful ability when I have a chance to lay this dragon out.


Link to the belt of thunderous charging.


Happy Birthday to Akiros!


To my understanding: Total Defense does not combine with Combat Expertise or Fighting Defensively as Total Defense does not allow for attacks (not even AOOs). Combat Expertise and Fighting Defensively themselves should still work together.

At level 6, taking -6 to attacks to get a +4 to +5 dodge bonus to AC (depending on ranks in Acrobatics) seems okay to me. Keep in mind though that you cannot use Combat Expertise and Fighting Defensively without actually making an attack. At that same level, using Total Defense would not allow attacks but grant a +4 to +6 dodge bonus to AC (depending on ranks in Acrobatics) - which essentially is as good as the feat-and-stat-invested version using Combat Expertise. As such I wouldn't disallow the combined use.

Note that Total Defense is a Standard Action (it was a full-round action in 3.5 I believe).


And happy birthday Akiros :D


Male Human Samurai-Ronin 4/ Oracle-Battle 3 | AC 24/ T12/ F23, HP73, F+8/ R +4/ W +7, Init +1(Roll twice), Percep +6, Sense Motive +10

Thanks for the BDay wishes y'all! Been a kinda busy and crazy, and good, past few weeks. But I finally think I'm back. : p


You guys did a healthy chunk of damage. I don't know if I should expect it to last another round against the full might of the entire party.


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That dragon is dead. However, I'll retcon it so that Jemini charges the remaining dragon.

o.O - and I specifically backtracked and read to make sure I was on top of the situation. Apparently I backtracked too far. Thank you for the retcon. :)


Male Human Samurai-Ronin 4/ Oracle-Battle 3 | AC 24/ T12/ F23, HP73, F+8/ R +4/ W +7, Init +1(Roll twice), Percep +6, Sense Motive +10

Akiros will most certainly use the resolve ability if/whenever necessary. But can you point out for me where the extra 10hp came from? Not doubting it's correctness, but as I've been away a bit I'm not sure where/how I missed it.

Also, were the guard or citizens able to get to Berrin?

Oh, and isn't there a dead Large dragon missing somewhere? The first one Berrin and Akiros killed?


It was a medium dragon that Akiros and Berrin killed. It is still listed in the square. You pointed out a miss that I had listed as a hit for 10 points.

The guard will move at Initiative 0.


male human barbarian 5, ranger 3

I couldn't understand my hp, so I went back to look for my rolls. It looks like I should have 49 hp, 59 when raging. I changed the max without changing the current.

I sure wanted to crit that stupid dragon on the charge.

Silver Crusade

Male Human 8th Lvl Expert

Hi everyone! I am in Hawaii at the moment but will have time to post - just have to get used to time differences from Florida and such (and juggling two daughters by myself so that's always entertaining).

You guys and your charging craziness :). I can't reach you with both a move and an action so may just have to full move as only action this round. I'm looking back to see if I can hit you with a channel energy from one square adjacent (center square) but even so it would be next round before I can range or touch heal.

Eh - maybe I should banzai charge like the rest of you and at least provide another target for the large!


Well, Berrin socked up the AoO this round so you won't get bit at least.


Male Human Fighter (Archer) 6

That was last round's AoO. Nikolai took it for this round already. It reset on the Dragon's Initiative of 13.


What he said ;)


Finish it! 20 hit points with three martial characters?


Eish... what a depressing critical hit o.o


13 points to go!


DM Barcas wrote:
What, you can't do 135 damage in a round? Weak.

I should have said; Not single handedly, not yet anyway. Awesome show guys, thumbs up! Now KILL IT!


Male Human Fighter (Archer) 6

Rolls of '5' and '3' from me ain't going to do it....<le sigh>


Should have invested in a sniper rifle.


Male Human Samurai-Ronin 4/ Oracle-Battle 3 | AC 24/ T12/ F23, HP73, F+8/ R +4/ W +7, Init +1(Roll twice), Percep +6, Sense Motive +10

Well, the Hero Point was worth it!

So, now that the easy part is done, I guess we just have an Army to face? : p


It's a small army...

Of dragons.


Thank you Akiros!


Male
DM Barcas wrote:

It's a small army...

Of dragons.

Well.. snap.


So once this next battle concludes, I think it is time to level up. Depending on how the conversation with the red dragon army, that may have been the last combat before level-up. We'll probably do another few months of time jump.


You mean level-up to level 10, right?


Jemini of Lebeda wrote:

You mean level-up to level 10, right?

Sounds about right to me...

Scarab Sages Contributor

word.


Male Human Samurai-Ronin 4/ Oracle-Battle 3 | AC 24/ T12/ F23, HP73, F+8/ R +4/ W +7, Init +1(Roll twice), Percep +6, Sense Motive +10

So just wanted to discuss tactics a bit before my next post. And also to make sure I have everything straight.

So at present:
- the invading army has stopped outside the city limits
- Varn and a dozen or so officers in his army have been captured
- His daughter is commanding the remaining 50 or so members of his army
- All of our army is preset in the town square with us, as well as the guardsmen, totaling 150

I am unclear about if there is currently any fighting going on in some part of the city or not.

If any of the above is incorrect, please advise.

So, what's the plan then.

Do we all ride out together, gather Varn's forces, and confront the enemy head on?
Do we split our forces, sending some of them to flank the enemy?
Do we send anyone to ride for allies and reinforcements?
Are we indeed evacuating the entire city?

Thoughts, y'all?

Scarab Sages Contributor

I chose for Nikolai to brood a little bit during his post-rage fatigue. If we need to fight more, all I need is to roll into one or two of the channels floating around and I'm good. Still have rage and claw rounds left.


@Steve Not to mention a flaming greatsword.

@Akiros I wouldn't say that the attackers were stopped, but rather they pulled back and didn't pursue Varn's forces as they retreated. The rest of it is accurate. There's no more fighting in the city at the moment. This isn't the Alamo. It would be pretty difficult to defend the city from a siege because there are no walls. However, it would likewise be difficult to win for the dragonrider's army because the numbers are fairly equal, which is not a situation any attacker wants to be in.


Male Human Cleric (Abadar) 7th / Fighter 1st / AC 24/10T/24F / HP 61 / F +10 R +3 W +11 / Init. +0 / Perc. +5 / Sense Motive +14

I'm not generally a fan of gambling ourselves and our fledgling forces to score a win here, but for whatever reason I'm game for it if the rest of you are. I'm thinking this force is only going to get stronger if turtle up now, and has other negative repercussions even if we were to hold out. If all that we were dealing with was a 'test' or diversion, well then we're smoked anyway. I say we go on the attack - maybe split our heroes into an army rally team (Berrin, Akiros, Jemini, Verik) and a commander kill team (Nikolai, Taisper, Zander) maybe? Just throwing around an idea there in absence of good intel to sort out the best action.

Verik wasn't prepped for fighting spells to begin with, and is down to a single ranged attack spell, a semi-defensive spell and a mix of subbed-in CLW's and AoE channels, plus his CLW wand. He does have his Fly though, and that might be a good way to get Taisper or Nikolai into a commander-kill position.


Though I'm not a fan of splitting the party I'm all for forming a kill team and a rally team. Maybe we should send the rangers out with Nikolai, Taisper and Zander to flank the enemy?

They number 200 soldiers with much better equipment than us and are led by a dragon rider, we number 200 in mixed units, lightly armed and armored, led by various heroes, so I think we are just about evenly matched but taking out the dragon and rider is key.

Blah.. I think I'll IC this discussion.

Scarab Sages Contributor

Actually...as long as there are channelers we can space out attack spells and utility spells should take a back seat to our strong melee presence. I'm not saying clerics and paladins should lead from the back, but so long as our forces can outheal theirs, even numbers is to our asvantage. And if there are more human fighters and less sragons, put Taisper, Akiros and me out front and keep us healthy. We don't have to kill their whole army - we have to beat back their front until they break Then we can use swift strikers and ranged attacks to increase their casualties and exacerbate their defeat.

I say we put the meat up front and go shock and awe. We just killed most of their advance dragons. How long do the chief fighters (and constant healing) have to kill their rank and file before they retreat?


Male Human Samurai-Ronin 4/ Oracle-Battle 3 | AC 24/ T12/ F23, HP73, F+8/ R +4/ W +7, Init +1(Roll twice), Percep +6, Sense Motive +10

Well, looks like Newhaven's leaders have made their decisions, but looks pretty good to me anyway.

Barcus, a couple queations.
-Did Elspeth get Akiros' note?
-And will you allow him to use his immediate action Surprising Charge ability while mounted? As in, both he and his horse can make the move?


Elspeth hasn't responded. Whether she received it or not is another question.

Sure, but you'll have to grant some concessions for the limitations of PBP. Put a condition to move, and I'll try to fit it in. I just don't care for retcons.


Male Human Samurai-Ronin 4/ Oracle-Battle 3 | AC 24/ T12/ F23, HP73, F+8/ R +4/ W +7, Init +1(Roll twice), Percep +6, Sense Motive +10

ok doke, sounds fair to me.


Waiting on a few more posts - Taisper's, hopefully, too - before moving along to the field of battle. Specifically, Zander, Akiros, Nikolai, and Taisper have yet to respond to the last post.


You know, we are now just over 4000 posts in this game since January 2011. I want to thank who remains from the original group - Jemini, Berrin, and Taisper - as well as those who have come in afterwards - Akiros, Zander 2.0, Verik 2.0, and Nikolai. An honorable mention goes to those who have left us - Tandlara, Verik 1.0, Zander 1.0, Corwin, and Alexius. (Did I leave anyone out?)

Here's to thousands more! And to the health of Newhaven and Sanctuary! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!


Huzzah! A thousand posts more!

And thanks too you for keeping the game running Isaac! It's been a fun ride and I'm know there's more to come.

Is Eaoin gone for good then?


I'm going to assume so. I've invited him back a number of times and he's seemed interested but never followed up on it. If he wants to, Tandlara will be waiting.


Male Human Fighter (Archer) 6

I was here in the beginning, but just missed out. My Gnome wolf-riding caviler lost out to Jemini, and seeing where this story has gone, that was a good choice by DM B. I was glad to make it on the rebound. And my caviler is still going in another campaign, so it is all good.


Oh, yeah, I forgot about that character.

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