And can someone point me to a definition of the difference between carried, stowed and worn? My CRB says:
Umm. Wait. Wut? The way my poor brain understands this is that if I’m wearing my Hide Armor it is 2 Bulk, but if it is worn by me it is 3 Bulk. What am I missing? Was this cleared up in original errata?BULK
This entry gives the armor’s Bulk, assuming you’re wearing the armor and distributing its weight across your body. A suit of armor that’s carried or worn usually has 1 more Bulk than what’s listed here (or 1 Bulk total for armor of light Bulk).
Let me be clear, I'm not looking at the text or erratum, but that's probably referring to having the armor stowed in a container like a backpack or carried in your armors/over your shoulder/strapped to you/whatever. If you have it and aren't using/wearing it, it's 1 bulkier.
Generally, the new paradigm of held/worn/stowed just means that items are either immediately being used, on your person and available to grab with an action, or in a container and locked behind several actions (though the container is probably a backpack or bag of holding that makes items in it count as less bulk). There are no restrictions on how much you can wear other than your bulk limit, a maximum of two tool kits at the ready, and what your GM thinks is reasonable. Break out the bandoliers, pockets and pouches.
Also, that improvised weapon rule probably means -2 compared to your normal to-hit. I don't know if you technically have a proficiency bonus with improvised weaponry or not, there's an archetype that works with them, but it probably shouldn't be a -4 compared to highest to-hit except in weird cases like a Fighter who's +4 with their favored weapon group and a Cleric who's +4 with their deity's favored weapon.
I don't know if you technically have a proficiency bonus with improvised weaponry or not
They are simple weapons so everyone but the wizard is proficient with them. The Weapon Improviser archetype gets rid of the -2 for normal numbers for a simple weapon.
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I don't know if you technically have a proficiency bonus with improvised weaponry or notThey are simple weapons so everyone but the wizard is proficient with them. The Weapon Improviser archetype gets rid of the -2 for normal numbers for a simple weapon.
Can I mention how much I hate how wizards lack simple weapon proficiency given how other proficiency upgrade systems work -mutters-
If only it had a note "counts as simple weapon proficiency for requirements, and progression in simple weapon proficiency"
Actually screw it, it has that in my games from now on.
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I agree. I’ve always considered “simple” weapons to be those that do not require any formal training to use. All classes should get simple weapon proficiency. Personally, I find it odd that all characters are proficient in fist-fighting but wizards aren’t proficient in simple weapons.
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I agree. I’ve always considered “simple” weapons to be those that do not require any formal training to use. All classes should get simple weapon proficiency. Personally, I find it odd that all characters are proficient in fist-fighting but wizards aren’t proficient in simple weapons.
I still find it strange that a wizard can use a crude stick club effectively, but is non-functional with a high-quality club mace.
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I agree. I’ve always considered “simple” weapons to be those that do not require any formal training to use. All classes should get simple weapon proficiency. Personally, I find it odd that all characters are proficient in fist-fighting but wizards aren’t proficient in simple weapons.I still find it strange that a wizard can use acrude stickclub effectively, but is non-functional with ahigh-quality clubmace.
I'm more impressed that the wizard can punch someone without issue but has no idea what to do with a gauntlet... Same with a club vs a Nightstick...
I'm more impressed that the wizard can punch someone without issue but has no idea what to do with a gauntlet... Same with a club vs a Nightstick...I agree. I’ve always considered “simple” weapons to be those that do not require any formal training to use. All classes should get simple weapon proficiency. Personally, I find it odd that all characters are proficient in fist-fighting but wizards aren’t proficient in simple weapons.I still find it strange that a wizard can use acrude stickclub effectively, but is non-functional with ahigh-quality clubmace.
I thought gauntlets counted as unarmed attacks.
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Nah, in 2e gauntlets are their own weapon.
In 1e... nobody actually knows what gauntlets are because there are contradicting rules/FAQs about them that never got resolved.
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I thought gauntlets counted as unarmed attacks.I'm more impressed that the wizard can punch someone without issue but has no idea what to do with a gauntlet... Same with a club vs a Nightstick...I agree. I’ve always considered “simple” weapons to be those that do not require any formal training to use. All classes should get simple weapon proficiency. Personally, I find it odd that all characters are proficient in fist-fighting but wizards aren’t proficient in simple weapons.I still find it strange that a wizard can use acrude stickclub effectively, but is non-functional with ahigh-quality clubmace.
Nope, they're simple.
I agree that it doesn't make sense for a wizard's proficiency to be so uniquely terrible, but many forum-goers defend them not having SWP.
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I thought gauntlets counted as unarmed attacks.I'm more impressed that the wizard can punch someone without issue but has no idea what to do with a gauntlet... Same with a club vs a Nightstick...I agree. I’ve always considered “simple” weapons to be those that do not require any formal training to use. All classes should get simple weapon proficiency. Personally, I find it odd that all characters are proficient in fist-fighting but wizards aren’t proficient in simple weapons.I still find it strange that a wizard can use acrude stickclub effectively, but is non-functional with ahigh-quality clubmace.
LOL Nope, they are simple weapons and therefor an unsolvable mystery to wizards: they can wield the power of the cosmos but are flummoxed with gauntlet and 'high tech' 'clubs' [mace/morning star/nightstick/Juggling Club]. Balance a club so it's easier to throw [Juggling Club] and that's to much for a wizard to figure out. :P
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Listen, you hand a wizard a stick
Sad thing is the wizard DOES know how to use that stick as a weapon: "Clubs can be intricately carved pieces of martial art or as simple as a tree branch. So, yeah. Training in tree branches is a specific wizard thing they go out of their way to do. :P
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It's okay it keeps those really overpowered martial wizard builds in check.
Just think about how much the game would break down if any Wizard could just pick up a Morningstar and use it. Bludgeoning OR piercing damage? The thought is sickening.
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LOL Nope, they are simple weapons and therefor an unsolvable mystery to wizards: they can wield the power of the cosmos but are flummoxed with gauntlet and 'high tech' 'clubs' [mace/morning star/nightstick/Juggling Club]. Balance a club so it's easier to throw [Juggling Club] and that's to much for a wizard to figure out. :PI thought gauntlets counted as unarmed attacks.I'm more impressed that the wizard can punch someone without issue but has no idea what to do with a gauntlet... Same with a club vs a Nightstick...I agree. I’ve always considered “simple” weapons to be those that do not require any formal training to use. All classes should get simple weapon proficiency. Personally, I find it odd that all characters are proficient in fist-fighting but wizards aren’t proficient in simple weapons.I still find it strange that a wizard can use acrude stickclub effectively, but is non-functional with ahigh-quality clubmace.
Yeah, they can throw a tree branch just fine, but making a club easier to throw makes it harder to throw.
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Yeah, they can throw a tree branch just fine, but making a club easier to throw makes it harder to throw.
At least it's not just clubs. It's easier for them to throw dagger instead of a better balanced throwing knife. And don't forget crossbows: you make it small and easy to pull/reload and aim[Hand Crossbow] and it's harder to hit with it. ;)
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It's okay it keeps those really overpowered martial wizard builds in check.
Just think about how much the game would break down if any Wizard could just pick up a Morningstar and use it. Bludgeoning OR piercing damage? The thought is sickening.
If you could easily get a martial weapon on Wizard no one would ever play a specialist again. Hand of the Apprentice d12 BONKs would be too tempting
(this post is mostly a joke, but my Maul Wizard WAS fun while it lasted)
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Dwarf wizards also find it more difficult to use their clan dagger than a normal dagger, despite having their clan dagger for literally their entire life.Yeah, they can throw a tree branch just fine, but making a club easier to throw makes it harder to throw.At least it's not just clubs. It's easier for them to throw dagger instead of a better balanced throwing knife.
It seems that no dwarf goes out of their way to learn how to use it as even Dwarven Weapon Familiarity doesn't grant proficiency in it: you get battle axe, pick, and warhammer training instead of clan dagger training.
It's okay it keeps those really overpowered martial wizard builds in check.
Just think about how much the game would break down if any Wizard could just pick up a Morningstar and use it. Bludgeoning OR piercing damage? The thought is sickening.
If you could easily get a martial weapon on Wizard no one would ever play a specialist again. Hand of the Apprentice d12 BONKs would be too tempting
(this post is mostly a joke, but my Maul Wizard WAS fun while it lasted)
Mauler or Fighter Dedication and you're done.
I have the same build waiting for a chance to play a Wizard.
It's okay it keeps those really overpowered martial wizard builds in check.
Just think about how much the game would break down if any Wizard could just pick up a Morningstar and use it. Bludgeoning OR piercing damage? The thought is sickening.
If you could easily get a martial weapon on Wizard no one would ever play a specialist again. Hand of the Apprentice d12 BONKs would be too tempting
(this post is mostly a joke, but my Maul Wizard WAS fun while it lasted)
I absolutely hope they add a cantrip called "Bonk" that does bludgeoning damage as a reaction. Even if it is Magus focus cantrip in place of an AoO.
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Did animal skin barbarians get nerfed or am I failing to understand the math.
At 6th level...
Non-giant, non-animal barbarian:
-1 rage
+1 dex
+4 item bonus (armor)
+8 trained proficiency
Total 22
Old Version Animal Skin:
+1 status
+3 dex
+10 expert proficiency
Total 24
New Version Animal Skin:
-1 rage
+2 item bonus
+3 dex
+10 expert proficiency
Total 24
Old Version Animal Skin:+1 status
+3 dex
+10 expert proficiencyTotal 25
New Version Animal Skin:
-1 rage
+2 item bonus
+3 dex
+10 expert proficiencyTotal 24
The first is wrong, both of these add to 24.
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It's okay it keeps those really overpowered martial wizard builds in check.
Just think about how much the game would break down if any Wizard could just pick up a Morningstar and use it. Bludgeoning OR piercing damage? The thought is sickening.
If you could easily get a martial weapon on Wizard no one would ever play a specialist again. Hand of the Apprentice d12 BONKs would be too tempting
(this post is mostly a joke, but my Maul Wizard WAS fun while it lasted)
Mauler or Fighter Dedication and you're done.
I have the same build waiting for a chance to play a Wizard.
In my case it was Sentinel dedication with Human feats rushing martial proficiency. Since I never planned on using the Maul for anything other than HotA it didn't matter that I never advanced past Trained.
In my case it was Sentinel dedication with Human feats rushing martial proficiency. Since I never planned on using the Maul for anything other than HotA it didn't matter that I never advanced past Trained.It's okay it keeps those really overpowered martial wizard builds in check.
Just think about how much the game would break down if any Wizard could just pick up a Morningstar and use it. Bludgeoning OR piercing damage? The thought is sickening.
If you could easily get a martial weapon on Wizard no one would ever play a specialist again. Hand of the Apprentice d12 BONKs would be too tempting
(this post is mostly a joke, but my Maul Wizard WAS fun while it lasted)
Mauler or Fighter Dedication and you're done.
I have the same build waiting for a chance to play a Wizard.
Yep, trained is all you need for a good Mauling. ;)
Greatsword/great axe work too, but I prefer the maul too. Too bad there isn't a piercing 1d12 martial weapon [or ANY 1d12 piercing weapon].
Maybe that'll be the niche that the estoc fills when it enters the game.
Though technically, the greatsword does have Versatile Piercing.
AH, yes Versatile Piercing... True. I was more looking for a polearm or spear that seems... Pointy? Greatsword just doesn't stick in my mind as Piercing. :P
Polearm might be a no-go because of reach taking up trait resources. Dwarven Giant-Sticker as an Advanced weapon could work, though.
There do need to be more good piercing weapons. All of the good polearms are slashing! I just want a martial-balanced longspear, dammit!
Polearm might be a no-go because of reach taking up trait resources. Dwarven Giant-Sticker as an Advanced weapon could work, though.
There do need to be more good piercing weapons. All of the good polearms are slashing! I just want a martial-balanced longspear, dammit!
What happened to the good, ol' fashioned Pike?
I guess that IS what that is, isn't it. Forgot about it because it's an uncommon option from a splatbook I haven't read.
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I told my GM I wanted a pike for my character once. He said "sure," then directed my character to the local fish market to buy one. I guess the merchant there used it for spearing fish or something.
Can't say I was too happy with it. It kept slipping out of my hands every time I tried to thrust it at an enemy.
It was nearly as hard to pick up again as it was to thrust with too. GM never told me why. I think it may have been cursed. Might be why I was able to get it so cheap.
Anyways, I finally just stopped wielding it in combat and got myself a proper spear. NPCs won't come near my character now though as now the GM tells me there is a stench about me.
Yeah, definitely a cursed item.
So Page 75: Alchemical Alacrity lets you make three alchemical items, but you can't hold all three, so it's unclear what happens to the third one. Add to the end "and you automatically stow one of these new items as you create them." This is all good, but it still doesn`t change the fact that this item, if it is a bomb, only remains potent until the start of your next turn. So for bomber still useless.
Actually, all alchemical items made with quick alchemy suffer that limit on potency unless the alchemist also has the Enduring Alchemy Feat (that does not apply to bombs :( ).
Polearm might be a no-go because of reach taking up trait resources.
Not all polearms are Reach. For instance, Scythe is a Polearm without Reach.
I was thinking a Totem spear, Dwarven Giant-Sticker, Planson and maybe a Nodachi.
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AH, yes Versatile Piercing... True. I was more looking for a polearm or spear that seems... Pointy? Greatsword just doesn't stick in my mind as Piercing. :PMaybe that'll be the niche that the estoc fills when it enters the game.
Though technically, the greatsword does have Versatile Piercing.
I remembered this post this morning when I was going through the "Troubles in Otari" and beginner box adventures, and was disappointed that there was no Icy Barbed Spear to match with Smoking Sword and Thunder Mace.
Which then led me to realize a barbed spear might make a good d12 piercing weapon.
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Ranseurs are plenty pointy.
Ranseurs are plenty pointy.
The proceeding posts where about having a 1d12 P weapon: while a ranseur is pointy, it's not 1d12 worth of pointy. ;)
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Choose your d12P polearm wisely...
Choose your d12P polearm wisely...
XD
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AH, yes Versatile Piercing... True. I was more looking for a polearm or spear that seems... Pointy? Greatsword just doesn't stick in my mind as Piercing. :PMaybe that'll be the niche that the estoc fills when it enters the game.
Though technically, the greatsword does have Versatile Piercing.
I remembered this post this morning when I was going through the "Troubles in Otari" and beginner box adventures, and was disappointed that there was no Icy Barbed Spear to match with Smoking Sword and Thunder Mace.
Which then led me to realize a barbed spear might make a good d12 piercing weapon.
I'm procrastinating. These aren't serious, just things to amuse myself.
Price 1gp Damage1d12 pBulk 1
Hands 2
Category Martial
Group Spear Traits Thrown 10 ft
A common weapon among seafarers, this weapon resembles a slightly larger and heavier spear with either barbs or hooks along the bottom of the spearhead. Normally wielded in close combat not unlike a boarding pike, it is small enough that it can also be thrown, though only just.
Price 2gp Damage1d10 pBulk 2
Hands 2
Category Advanced
Group Spear Traits Fatal d12, Reach, Tethered, Thrown 10 ft, Uncommon
Larger than either the boarding pike or barbed spear and resembling both, Harpoons are attached to a rope or chain and normally launched by specialized ship weapons, but can also be wielded as melee weapons, or even thrown.
Ranseurs are plenty pointy.The proceeding posts where about having a 1d12 P weapon: while a ranseur is pointy, it's not 1d12 worth of pointy. ;)
If we're looking for a d12 piercing weapon, might I nominate the schwein-degen.
I figure we have lots of kinds of polearms, we might as well have lots of kinds of "big swords."
If we're looking for a d12 piercing weapon, might I nominate the schwein-degen.
I figure we have lots of kinds of polearms, we might as well have lots of kinds of "big swords."
Well, the boar spear is a two-handed thrusting spear that is not overly long.
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AH, yes Versatile Piercing... True. I was more looking for a polearm or spear that seems... Pointy? Greatsword just doesn't stick in my mind as Piercing. :PMaybe that'll be the niche that the estoc fills when it enters the game.
Though technically, the greatsword does have Versatile Piercing.
I remembered this post this morning when I was going through the "Troubles in Otari" and beginner box adventures, and was disappointed that there was no Icy Barbed Spear to match with Smoking Sword and Thunder Mace.
Which then led me to realize a barbed spear might make a good d12 piercing weapon.
I'm procrastinating. These aren't serious, just things to amuse myself.
Price 1gp Damage1d12 pBulk 1
Hands 2
Category Martial
Group Spear Traits Thrown 10 ft
A common weapon among seafarers, this weapon resembles a slightly larger and heavier spear with either barbs or hooks along the bottom of the spearhead. Normally wielded in close combat not unlike a boarding pike, it is small enough that it can also be thrown, though only just.
Price 2gp Damage1d10 pBulk 2
Hands 2
Category Advanced
Group Spear Traits Fatal d12, Reach, Tethered, Thrown 10 ft, Uncommon
Larger than either the boarding pike or barbed spear and resembling both, Harpoons are attached to a rope or chain and normally launched by specialized ship weapons, but can also be wielded as melee weapons, or even thrown.
Considering that the biggest damage die for any existing thrown weapon is a d8 (trident) I'm not so sure about these.
Considering that the biggest damage die for any existing thrown weapon is a d8 (trident) I'm not so sure about these.AH, yes Versatile Piercing... True. I was more looking for a polearm or spear that seems... Pointy? Greatsword just doesn't stick in my mind as Piercing. :PMaybe that'll be the niche that the estoc fills when it enters the game.
Though technically, the greatsword does have Versatile Piercing.
I remembered this post this morning when I was going through the "Troubles in Otari" and beginner box adventures, and was disappointed that there was no Icy Barbed Spear to match with Smoking Sword and Thunder Mace.
Which then led me to realize a barbed spear might make a good d12 piercing weapon.
I'm procrastinating. These aren't serious, just things to amuse myself.
Price 1gp Damage1d12 pBulk 1
Hands 2
Category Martial
Group Spear Traits Thrown 10 ft
A common weapon among seafarers, this weapon resembles a slightly larger and heavier spear with either barbs or hooks along the bottom of the spearhead. Normally wielded in close combat not unlike a boarding pike, it is small enough that it can also be thrown, though only just.
Price 2gp Damage1d10 pBulk 2
Hands 2
Category Advanced
Group Spear Traits Fatal d12, Reach, Tethered, Thrown 10 ft, Uncommon
Larger than either the boarding pike or barbed spear and resembling both, Harpoons are attached to a rope or chain and normally launched by specialized ship weapons, but can also be wielded as melee weapons, or even thrown.
Since the range increment is so low on Barbed Spear, and presumably, you'd be using it in two-hands, so losing the weapon by throwing it isn't exactly a "good" move unless it's your final blow, that one is probably fine.
Harpoon, even with Uncommon, does seem just a bit over-tuned. Probably be fine if you dropped the Fatal though.
The Barbed Spear is a Trident bumped up to two hands.
That seems fine except Thrown might be a trait Paizo doesn't want on two-handed/d12 weapons. One reason might be that there's a certain tactical cost to 2H weapons (no shield or no maneuvers/mobility/versatility). If you're throwing, because you can work at range, having no shield or less mobility aren't as much of a cost.
And it'd become an obvious must for most throwers (who with a few shenanigans can easily overcome the 10' issue).
So I'd have to go w/ a d10 cap for thrown.
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Well, as I said, they weren't serious. There's weapon calculator somewhere on the board that is more or less accurate when it comes to balancing weapons. If I was going to make a serious attempt at these, I'd start there.
Harpoon, even with Uncommon, does seem just a bit over-tuned. Probably be fine if you dropped the Fatal though.
I originally just had it with tethered and thrown, but looking at advanced weapons, they seem to have more traits than just that. The Aklys has half the damage, but double the range and has the ability to trip (and shove on a critical).
Ideally I'd also want a new trait that required a certain amount of strength to "unlock" the thrown property, since this is effectively a siege/whaling harpoon wielded in two hand. But as you'd want the strength anyways to maximize the damage, that would probably be a bit of a wash balance-wise (paying a toll you were going to pay anyways isn't really a toll).
The Barbed Spear is a Trident bumped up to two hands.
That seems fine except Thrown might be a trait Paizo doesn't want on two-handed/d12 weapons. One reason might be that there's a certain tactical cost to 2H weapons (no shield or no maneuvers/mobility/versatility). If you're throwing, because you can work at range, having no shield or less mobility aren't as much of a cost.
Extra pointy bits are on the other end from a trident. Rather than a fishing spear, I was thinking along the lines of a Viking hooked spear.
Yeah I would probably change the thrown trait to something else in a final draft, but I didn't feel like spending TOO much time on this yesterday. Backswing maybe?