How would you stat a steel whip?


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One like this https://youtu.be/8LPLFCkUH-Y

I'm thinking one of the size as in the video would have to have a Str minimum requirement to actually use.


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Pathfinder already has a metal whip, it's called the scorpion whip.


Naw, the scorpion whip is a normal whip with razor blades set along it's length as far as I can tell.

A purely metal whip wouldn't be Light in bulk. I'd guess it to be similar in weight to a Great Sword.


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I would probably use spiked chain stats.


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I'd probably use Meteor Hammer stats, maybe with the damage type changed to slashing. The weapon should be in the flail group and should have reach, and long and flexible weapons often have some combination of Disarm and Trip, which the Meteor Hammer has. The Spiked Chain also exists as a point of comparison, but it's not as long. You could also take basically any polearm and just move it into the flail group, depending on what aspects of the weapon you want to focus on.

A strength minimum to use a weapon isn't really part of Pathfinder 2e's idiom. The idea that you're better with a heavy weapon if you're stronger is already built into the basic rules for attack and damage rolls. Most characters that would want to use such a weapon will meet any reasonable strength minimum you could put on it anyway.


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It's basically a Spiked Chain, given the stats it possesses, and how it's demonstrated in the video. Uses two hands, a very uncommon weapon (partly due to how unorthodox it is), suited for tripping or disarming enemies.

If you want it to be more like an actual whip like in the game, the best bet would be the Gnome Flickmace, doing piercing/slashing instead of bludgeoning with spikes on the end of the ball. The irony here is that the Flickmace is heavier, but also requires less hands to use. The madness is boggling.

While Scorpion Whip has been suggested, it's not necessarily made of metal as has been pointed out, and isn't very comparible either, as the video doesn't demonstrate "lashes" synonymous with traditional whips.


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Natan Linggod 327 wrote:


One like this https://youtu.be/8LPLFCkUH-Y

I'm thinking one of the size as in the video would have to have a Str minimum requirement to actually use.

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frankly speaking, from what i've seen in the video, i could hardly call it a weapon.

it's WAY heavier than a greatsword, they could only "swing it" by basically dragging it over perfectly smooth surfaces, and etc.

A much shorter version (to mak it lighter and actually usable) would probably be (as suggested above) a reskinned spiked chain, only bludgeoning though.


Natan Linggod 327 wrote:

Naw, the scorpion whip is a normal whip with razor blades set along it's length as far as I can tell.

A purely metal whip wouldn't be Light in bulk. I'd guess it to be similar in weight to a Great Sword.

What you have there isn't a functional weapon, it's a piece of chain that has some sharp bits attached at the end. You can't wield it, as much as throw it at someone and hope it cuts open their foot.


This is what I think of when I hear "steel whip":

https://youtu.be/8LPLFCkUH-Y


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Claxon wrote:
Natan Linggod 327 wrote:

Naw, the scorpion whip is a normal whip with razor blades set along it's length as far as I can tell.

A purely metal whip wouldn't be Light in bulk. I'd guess it to be similar in weight to a Great Sword.

What you have there isn't a functional weapon, it's a piece of chain that has some sharp bits attached at the end. You can't wield it, as much as throw it at someone and hope it cuts open their foot.

Damage 1d4 S; Bulk 2

Hands 2
Category Advanced
Group Flail; Traits Trip, reach, Deadly d12 vs inanimate fruit, Clumsy 1, -2 attack rolls through difficult terrain, Rare

It's truly dangerous to footwear and wandering fruit but unwieldy, slow to use and requires a flat surface to slide it over...


Claxon wrote:
Natan Linggod 327 wrote:

Naw, the scorpion whip is a normal whip with razor blades set along it's length as far as I can tell.

A purely metal whip wouldn't be Light in bulk. I'd guess it to be similar in weight to a Great Sword.

What you have there isn't a functional weapon, it's a piece of chain that has some sharp bits attached at the end. You can't wield it, as much as throw it at someone and hope it cuts open their foot.

. It's not spiked, just smaller gauge chain, basically a cool way to demonstrate a scientific phenomenon (bull whips also do it, but lots of chain is cooler).

Now stats for an Urumi would be interesting, as that is a real weapon


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Closes thing to a "Steel Whip" are: the Indian Urumi and the Chinese Spiked Chain.

The Urumi is a sword with many thin flexible steel bands. Its very dangerous to everyone in the area.

The Spiked Chain is a useable version of what they showed in the video. Its considerably smaller and lighter than the one showed in the video, but many times more useable.

Technically, you can have a Spiked Chained to be constructed similar to the video to gain a similar effect. Probably would get a faster faster speed do to the weight reduction.


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Temperans wrote:

Closes thing to a "Steel Whip" are: the Indian Urumi and the Chinese Spiked Chain.

The Urumi is a sword with many thin flexible steel bands. Its very dangerous to everyone in the area.

Gods & Magic has Urumi stats: Martial, 2 gp, 1H, 2 bulk, 1d6 S, Flail group, Deadly d10, Sweep, Uncommon.


You could treat it as an up-sized spiked chain meant to be used by a large or huge creature. A pc would need to be a giant instinct barb to use it, and would be clumsy 1 while doing so per the rules.


What you're probably looking for is called a nine-section whip, it got stats in PF1.

It is a real weapon, but I'm not to sure it's practical. You can find youtube videos searching Nine-section whip.


Nine section whips does work.

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* P.S. I messed up on my last post. I confused the Spike Chain with the Chinese Chain Whip.

The difference being that the latter includes the nine-section whip, seven-section whip, and the three-section whip (aka three-section staff or sansetsukon).


Temperans wrote:
Closes thing to a "Steel Whip" are: the Indian Urumi and the Chinese Spiked Chain.

This depiction of a flick-mace is a bit like a steel whip.


That is just a large flail with a long chain.

* Personally I still see the flickmace as just a spring loaded mace. Despite the new description.


Ehh, barbarians and such can wield oversize weapons and that's all this is. Giant could use it just fine.

I'd stat it as an oversize weapon and allow it as such. From memory it's something like +4 damage and Clumsy 1 when the Barbarian does it but they have to have the ability to do it.


Moppy wrote:

Ehh, barbarians and such can wield oversize weapons and that's all this is. Giant could use it just fine.

I'd stat it as an oversize weapon and allow it as such. From memory it's something like +4 damage and Clumsy 1 when the Barbarian does it but they have to have the ability to do it.

It is a +6, not a +4.


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PF1 had a braided-metal whip (which sounds 'whippier' than a chain IMHO).



Source Faiths of Balance pg. 25
Price 50 gp; Weight 5 lbs.
Category Channel Foci
Deity Calistria
Description
This whip is made from braids of metallic wire. When it is activated, the wielder can expend the power within it to gain a sacred (if activated with positive energy) or profane (if activated with negative energy) bonus on her next disarm or trip combat maneuver with the whip. This bonus is equal to the number of dice of the activating cleric’s channel energy ability. The whip remains charged until its magic is used or 1 hour has passed.

AFAICT it acts/acted exactly as a normal whip except for hardness and HP, which don't matter as much for 2e objects anyway. The 5 lb weight puts it at the same 1 Bulk as a normal whip by the CRB guidelines. I realize this is the most boring possible answer, sorry. :-)

You could presumably get one that wasn't a channel focus for some fraction of the 50 gp (and change that to 50 sp for 2nd ed) if you assume it makes the jump to 2e.


Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
PF1 had a braided-metal whip (which sounds 'whippier' than a chain IMHO).

I'd thought about that but the example wasn't braided [like a cable] but chains of various sizes. Given its weight of 5 lbs, it's clearly not the monster the example was that needed to be dragged alone the floor instead of used as a standard whip. Now if we're stating a generic metal whip vs what the OP was trying to stat out, it's a good fit. ;)


You could go with Bladed scarf Two handed uncommon, reach, sweep, Trip, Disarm.


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Carefully?


Bladed Scarf is honestly weird given its supposed to be a finesse weapons.

Also the bladed scarf does not work like a Bullwhip. It works by slashing at the opponent.

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It is highly likely Bladed Scarf will be errata'd to make it a finesse weapon.

James Jacobs took specific note that it wasn't, and that this had unintended game world effects. He's not on the design team, and didn't comment on how it might change, but it's very likely to be re-done as a finesse weapon in the near-ish future.

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