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Shelyn seems like the nicest in general.
According to the wiki she's CN. That said, her description makes her sound more like CG or NG to me.
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Iomadae. Because Lawful Good is the Best Good(tm)
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But in all seriousness, probably Sarenrae. I would consider the rose in one hand, scimitar in the other the best metaphor for Good is Not Nice, and she gives evil the chance to repent, when practical.
Korada
because he seems to be more in line with what you would expect a god of redemption to be.
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Apsu gets brownie points for having the most rock solid paladin code out of the official ones written out. Leave it to the dragon to show those humanoid dinguses how to make a code.
Apsu is also (as far as i know) the only god who doesn't have oracles - because he believes cursing a creature is wrong, even if you also give them power.
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I can guarantee that the answer is not me. \owo/ Although I'm totally calling dibs on "most Lawful" and "most Chaotic".
I would say Vildeis because of the virtue of sacrifice.
I wanna go with Shelyn
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Seeing how the other thread went though, I think I'll switch to Kostchtchie.
Change my mind.
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As far as I can tell none of them.
All the Golarian gods simply seem to be spouting various types of proganda to gather in souls that then become fuel for their personal power.
Sure, some have propaganda that is nicer than others, but the Gods themselves are all simply predators/parasites at their core. Even the ones who use good messages in their ad campaigns are evil.
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Who set up Pharasma's system of soul sorting, anyway? Did the other gods have a say in the matter?
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That one god(dess) the agrees with your view of morality. Yeah, that's the one.
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As far as I can tell none of them.
All the Golarian gods simply seem to be spouting various types of proganda to gather in souls that then become fuel for their personal power.
Sure, some have propaganda that is nicer than others, but the Gods themselves are all simply predators/parasites at their core. Even the ones who use good messages in their ad campaigns are evil.
If you going with the "Gods are powered by belief" thing, that's not how it works on Golarion and in the Great Beyond.
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Well... "good" is an extremely subjective subject most of the time.
For me?
The shortlist (I can do no better)-
Acavna
Black Butterfly (Her Obedience is awesome)
Shelyn (Dat Paladin Code, Yo)
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*Glances up*
Gods aren't powered by belief... but I think their divine realms in the outer planes (usually) are. More followers = larger realm = takes more time for the Maelstrom to eat it if they're near an edge.
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Yep, yep.
With Planar Adventure's we learned that souls who believe in the gods go on to become petitioners for their various planes of existence. These petitioners lose pretty much everything that made them who they were as a mortal, and either are sculpted into a higher being, feed their way into becoming a higher being, or else collapse into cosmic dust to power the outer planes from death or inaction.
No afterlife full of bunnies for these folks, just either being forged into an entirely unrecognizable version of themselves or turned into dust to be used to empower the outer realms.
Almost makes someone mad enough to rebel against this system and lock one's essence away so the gods can't get it. Of course, Pharasma takes offense to that for some reason...
Cayden Cailean is the Goodest of the Good Gods.
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Shelyn, if the faithful are to be believed.
Desna, if the faithful are to be believed.
Asmodeus, if the faithful are to be believed.
Iomedae, if the faithful are to be believed.
Irori, if the faithful are to be believed.
Azathoth, if the faithful are to be believed.
Can you sense the pattern?
Basically, pick a divine realm you think it would be neat to assimilate into and then a god that makes it as easy as possible to do so. There's probably a faith for you. If there isn't, take the Aroden approach and DIY yourself to divinity.
I meant the most good ALIGNED. Not which god do you like the most.
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Apsu gets brownie points for having the most rock solid paladin code out of the official ones written out. Leave it to the dragon to show those humanoid dinguses how to make a code.Apsu is also (as far as i know) the only god who doesn't have oracles - because he believes cursing a creature is wrong, even if you also give them power.
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Apsu has no oracles, for he believes inflicting a curse on a living creature is a terrible crime against that being, even in exchange for divine power.
{. . .}
Oracle
Apsu's Shining Scales can be prepared as a 3rd-level spell
Draconic Ally can be prepared as a 3rd-level spell
Tail Strike can be prepared as a 4th-level spell
{. . .}
Uhhhhh . . . .
Who set up Pharasma's system of soul sorting, anyway? Did the other gods have a say in the matter?
Probably her, she’s one of the oldest and she is the most powerful so,,,, whose gonna argue. It’s not like gods get a bad deal anyway xD
One could consider not being able to make a realm on the plane suiting their alignment because the entire thing is used for one deity's thing to be a pretty bad deal, you know.
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Kind of sure Pharasma isn't one of the oldest. Isn't she pissed at Lamashtu for devouring her mentor? Didn't she take over her mentor's job in the Boneyard?
You're mixing her up with Desna.
The various D&D settings had various death deities over the editions (How many did Faerûn have by now?), but in the Golgarion/Pathfinder/Starfinder setting, no death deity preceeding Pharasma is ever mentioned.
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I always thought that Pharasma was genuinely more powerful than the others. I could be mistaken though.
Yep, yep.
With Planar Adventure's we learned that souls who believe in the gods go on to become petitioners for their various planes of existence. These petitioners lose pretty much everything that made them who they were as a mortal, and either are sculpted into a higher being, feed their way into becoming a higher being, or else collapse into cosmic dust to power the outer planes from death or inaction.
No afterlife full of bunnies for these folks, just either being forged into an entirely unrecognizable version of themselves or turned into dust to be used to empower the outer realms.
Almost makes someone mad enough to rebel against this system and lock one's essence away so the gods can't get it. Of course, Pharasma takes offense to that for some reason...
That's . . . nightmarish. I knew JJ was into cosmic horror, but . . . wow.
If you going with the "Gods are powered by belief" thing, that's not how it works on Golarion and in the Great Beyond.As far as I can tell none of them.
All the Golarian gods simply seem to be spouting various types of proganda to gather in souls that then become fuel for their personal power.
Sure, some have propaganda that is nicer than others, but the Gods themselves are all simply predators/parasites at their core. Even the ones who use good messages in their ad campaigns are evil.
I'm going with the Gods are powered by souls thing. Souls make up their homes and are turned into their fanatic warriors. It isn't unreasonable to assume that they have other uses for them as well.
Being powered by belief is would be much more benign.
That's . . . nightmarish. I knew JJ was into cosmic horror, but . . . wow.Yep, yep.
With Planar Adventure's we learned that souls who believe in the gods go on to become petitioners for their various planes of existence. These petitioners lose pretty much everything that made them who they were as a mortal, and either are sculpted into a higher being, feed their way into becoming a higher being, or else collapse into cosmic dust to power the outer planes from death or inaction.
No afterlife full of bunnies for these folks, just either being forged into an entirely unrecognizable version of themselves or turned into dust to be used to empower the outer realms.
Almost makes someone mad enough to rebel against this system and lock one's essence away so the gods can't get it. Of course, Pharasma takes offense to that for some reason...
I'm pretty sure this comes from 3.5 cosmology. This is incidentally why I laugh when people say "Well it does not make sense to be Evil in pathfinder when you can just visit Hell and see that it sucks!" All afterlives are basically the same, since you get erased.
Actually I suppose Rovagug might qualify as the most good. He is the only one really working to end this farce.
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That's . . . nightmarish. I knew JJ was into cosmic horror, but . . . wow.Yep, yep.
With Planar Adventure's we learned that souls who believe in the gods go on to become petitioners for their various planes of existence. These petitioners lose pretty much everything that made them who they were as a mortal, and either are sculpted into a higher being, feed their way into becoming a higher being, or else collapse into cosmic dust to power the outer planes from death or inaction.
No afterlife full of bunnies for these folks, just either being forged into an entirely unrecognizable version of themselves or turned into dust to be used to empower the outer realms.
Almost makes someone mad enough to rebel against this system and lock one's essence away so the gods can't get it. Of course, Pharasma takes offense to that for some reason...
Honestly? I like it.
Death should be horrific. If there was an afterlife that was pleasent, anyone with half a brain would run off and get themselves martyred, first chance they get. And no one would be afraid of dying, and heroic sacrifices wouldn’t mean anything.
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Is there a god of immortality? Because in a world like that, that would be the most "good" god.
Is there a god of immortality? Because in a world like that, that would be the most "good" god.
What are the ways to immortality? I know only the magical discovery from UM, and that would come from Nethys...
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I think it's important to remember that souls only merge with a plane after, basically, they decide they want to. The official explanation was something along the lines of "even the wonders of the outer planes can get tiring after a couple of thousand years", so they basically go "yeah, I'm done" and sort of fade out for awhile until the Maelstrom sends them to be reborn. Nothing forces them to do this.
Here's a weird thought: some demigods and other divine beings live on the Prime Material Plane. What happens to their followers when they die? Do they become petitioners "living" on Golarion or what?
Also what happens to Rovagug's worshippers when they die? I'm guessing they appear in his prison plane with him, at which point he eats them and gets a little more powerful and closer to breaking free...
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Apsu gets brownie points for having the most rock solid paladin code out of the official ones written out. Leave it to the dragon to show those humanoid dinguses how to make a code.Apsu is also (as far as i know) the only god who doesn't have oracles - because he believes cursing a creature is wrong, even if you also give them power.{. . .}
Apsu has no oracles, for he believes inflicting a curse on a living creature is a terrible crime against that being, even in exchange for divine power.Uhhhhh . . . .{. . .}
Oracle
Apsu's Shining Scales can be prepared as a 3rd-level spell
Draconic Ally can be prepared as a 3rd-level spell
Tail Strike can be prepared as a 4th-level spell
{. . .}
Lol!
The book itself says Oracles that worship Apsu. The easy solution is while he doesn't make Oracles, an oracle can be empowered by another god (I'm actually fond of the good aligned Oracle of evil deity concept) and worship him.
Actually worshipping Apsu as an oracle makes a lot of sense: "I don't know which one of you scrubbs did this to me, but i know it wasn't Apsu. Not only that, but by worshipping Apsu he gives me more powers!"
It also means you have a powerful old god on your side when you finally kick the bucket and potentially meet your "patron".
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I always thought that Pharasma was genuinely more powerful than the others. I could be mistaken though.
JJ confirmed that years ago :)
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I'm pretty sure this comes from 3.5 cosmology. This is incidentally why I laugh when people say "Well it does not make sense to be Evil in pathfinder when you can just visit Hell and see that it sucks!" All afterlives are basically the same, since you get erased.That's . . . nightmarish. I knew JJ was into cosmic horror, but . . . wow.Yep, yep.
With Planar Adventure's we learned that souls who believe in the gods go on to become petitioners for their various planes of existence. These petitioners lose pretty much everything that made them who they were as a mortal, and either are sculpted into a higher being, feed their way into becoming a higher being, or else collapse into cosmic dust to power the outer planes from death or inaction.
No afterlife full of bunnies for these folks, just either being forged into an entirely unrecognizable version of themselves or turned into dust to be used to empower the outer realms.
Almost makes someone mad enough to rebel against this system and lock one's essence away so the gods can't get it. Of course, Pharasma takes offense to that for some reason...
Actually going off The Redemption Engine Hell is one of the few planes where souls that aren't immediately sculpted into something useful get to keep their memories, or at least part of them.
Those souls also have Hell torturing them too so there's that.
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I always thought that Pharasma was genuinely more powerful than the others. I could be mistaken though.JJ confirmed that years ago :)
Powerful, but not "the most" powerful.
Is there any entity in the multiverse as powerful as Pharasma? More powerful?Yes. Age is not the only factor in determining a deity's power.
Same page earlier also confirms that Pharasma was always the judge of the dead.
Also, much more recent:
I've said many times that Pharasma is the most oldest deity in the campaign, but "oldest" doesn't mean "most powerful."
So she's been around forever, and she is powerful, but she's not the top of the divine power high score list.
I'm pretty sure this comes from 3.5 cosmology. This is incidentally why I laugh when people say "Well it does not make sense to be Evil in pathfinder when you can just visit Hell and see that it sucks!" All afterlives are basically the same, since you get erased.That's . . . nightmarish. I knew JJ was into cosmic horror, but . . . wow.Yep, yep.
With Planar Adventure's we learned that souls who believe in the gods go on to become petitioners for their various planes of existence. These petitioners lose pretty much everything that made them who they were as a mortal, and either are sculpted into a higher being, feed their way into becoming a higher being, or else collapse into cosmic dust to power the outer planes from death or inaction.
No afterlife full of bunnies for these folks, just either being forged into an entirely unrecognizable version of themselves or turned into dust to be used to empower the outer realms.
Almost makes someone mad enough to rebel against this system and lock one's essence away so the gods can't get it. Of course, Pharasma takes offense to that for some reason...
Actually going off The Redemption Engine Hell is one of the few planes where souls that aren't immediately sculpted into something useful get to keep their memories, or at least part of them.
Those souls also have Hell torturing them too so there's that.
Hell is paradise for people who believe in Evil. If you are the baddest dude on the block, you can actually get immortality in the afterlife. I like that, it nicely explains why you would want to be evil, even if you know what the cosmology is like.