AFAIK, there is no current RAW source of a mundane non-wood tower shield.Those 3 have item creation info for them. As such, you CAN make them and are intended to be able to: you have to be able to for the items or the construction section would be missing like that of an artifact.
Just because an object you've cobbled together can be made to work once magical doesn't mean that the non-magical version will.
I'm counting 5 feats in total. Shield Focus, Tower Shield Specialist, Shield Brace, Mobile Bulwark Style, and Mobile Fortress.Don't forget the Mobile style chain's capstone:
Mobile Stronghold (Combat)
You can use your tower shield to block magical attacks.
Prerequisite(s): Str 17, Mobile Bulwark Style, Mobile Fortress, Shield Focus, Tower Shield Proficiency, base attack bonus +7.
Benefit(s): While using a tower shield, you do not suffer a penalty on attack rolls because of the shield’s encumbrance.
While using Mobile Bulwark Style, whenever you use a tower shield to gain total cover, you also gain partial cover (and grant partial cover to adjacent allies) against spells passing through the selected edge of your space. Also, while using this style, you can gain total cover against a single attack made against you as an immediate or swift action.
Just because an object you've cobbled together can be made to work once magical doesn't mean that the non-magical version will.AFAIK, there is no current RAW source of a mundane non-wood tower shield.Those 3 have item creation info for them. As such, you CAN make them and are intended to be able to: you have to be able to for the items or the construction section would be missing like that of an artifact.
I call blah. I don't see any reason, RAW, RAI or fluff, that it wouldn't.
We only had spellcasters with towershields in bags of holding. Put it on the ground and get into hiding behind.
Worked better in 3.0
I call blah. I don't see any reason, RAW, RAI or fluff, that it wouldn't.Just because an object you've cobbled together can be made to work once magical doesn't mean that the non-magical version will.AFAIK, there is no current RAW source of a mundane non-wood tower shield.Those 3 have item creation info for them. As such, you CAN make them and are intended to be able to: you have to be able to for the items or the construction section would be missing like that of an artifact.
I wouldn't try it in PFS.
Home games, whatever is allowed.
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How do you use a tower shield effectively? You get 99 of your closest friends who also have tower shields and you form a phalanx.
You used bags of holding? Why not unseen servant (better back in Ad&D where it was indestructible) ?We only had spellcasters with towershields in bags of holding. Put it on the ground and get into hiding behind.
Worked better in 3.0
Nowadays I like the Folding Shield Special Ability. Just unfold your buckler into a tower shield when you want cover.
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If you're wanting your mithral tower shield, look at the Folding quality, and put it on your Light Mithral Shield.
2) 18 pounds is more than double what most shields have weighed.
I said "up to 18 lbs"; I'm aware most shields were far below that. At the high end of that range we're talking about shields like the aspis, which comes in at about 16 lbs. Size-wise it's very comparable to tower shields, which is exactly the point I was making: tower shields occupied the same weight range as other shield designs. I'm aware that most shields weighed significantly less than this, which represents the upper end of what can realistically be called a shield.
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If you're wanting your mithral tower shield, look at the Folding quality, and put it on your Light Mithral Shield.That requires proficiency and takes actions...
As far as proficiency, yes that's true. As far as the action, nothing says it doesn't stay a tower shield indefinitely. If you were worried about it, you could make it take its original form to hang on your wall at night, but every morning you make it a tower shield and boom.
If you're wanting your mithral tower shield, look at the Folding quality, and put it on your Light Mithral Shield.That requires proficiency and takes actions...
The point is to be able to get a mithril tower shield. So they would already have the proficiencies to use it, and the action cost is one move action as soon as it is enchanted and then never used it again.
The bigger point of contention would be the price. It would cost a total of 4k for just the enchantments. Then mithril on top of that,
Just because an object you've cobbled together can be made to work once magical doesn't mean that the non-magical version will.Come now, you're better than that kind of scurrilous argument.
Scurrilous?
Hmm....I *like* that.
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If you're wanting your mithral tower shield, look at the Folding quality, and put it on your Light Mithral Shield.That requires proficiency and takes actions...The point is to be able to get a mithril tower shield. So they would already have the proficiencies to use it, and the action cost is one move action as soon as it is enchanted and then never used it again.
The bigger point of contention would be the price. It would cost a total of 4k for just the enchantments. Then mithril on top of that,
Nothing in the folding ability says the tower shield is mithral, by RAW it would probably default to the core rulebook entry of a tower shield.
I know that's EXTREMELY nitpicky, but that's kinda what this thread has become to be honest.
I thought the draw was that you could use Tower Shields as Total Cover. That can be seriously useful.
I saw a player with a Kasatha Armored Hulk Barbarian who used two Tower Shields and Come And Get Me to very impressive results. On his action he'd plant a shield for cover (usually forcing enemies to move to attack him), and then he'd use his AoO to do something like Trip them, Blind them or just hit them in the face like only two-handed barbarians can. He was very impressive in any bottleneck situation.
In another game, our cleric used to carry one around in a Glove of Storing. She wasn't even proficient with them, but you don't need to be proficient to plant them for cover. She cut an arrow slit into hers (reducing it to improved cover instead of total). She would slap them down in door frames and use Spectral Hand for bad touch cleric fun.
I thought the draw was that you could use Tower Shields as Total Cover. That can be seriously useful.
It can be useful, but it has drawbacks. Only applies to attacks from one direction, and it requires you to take a standard action to do so each and every round you want that protection. So you aren't really doing much of anything useful when you are getting the total cover.
Y'all missed the most obvious answer, allowing the entire party to use it as a toboggan.
Bonus points if the party is 1 half orc and 4 gnomes or halflings.
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Y'all missed the most obvious answer, allowing the entire party to use it as a toboggan.
Bonus points if the party is 1 half orc and 4 gnomes or halflings.
Now I'm really regretting that the duergar dropped out of our otherwise goblin & kobold party.
If you're wanting your mithral tower shield, look at the Folding quality, and put it on your Light Mithral Shield.That requires proficiency and takes actions...The point is to be able to get a mithril tower shield. So they would already have the proficiencies to use it, and the action cost is one move action as soon as it is enchanted and then never used it again.
The bigger point of contention would be the price. It would cost a total of 4k for just the enchantments. Then mithril on top of that,
Nothing in the folding ability says the tower shield is mithral, by RAW it would probably default to the core rulebook entry of a tower shield.
I know that's EXTREMELY nitpicky, but that's kinda what this thread has become to be honest.
Not quite :(
If you make a mithral heavy shield (legal) then give it the folding ability (also legal), then you could use the folding ability to turn it into a tower shield. That's the basic idea.Now what you are saying is that nowhere in the rules does it NOT say that it loses its special properties.
However, also nowhere in the rules does it say that it DOES lose its special properties.
In fact, it doesn't say it interacts with or alters the shields properties in any way, just the shield type (light, heavy, tower).
Rules as Written, it doesn't say ANYTHING about changing the shields material, just its form, so it would not default to a wooden shield, according to RAW.
All that aside, the main problem is not that there is NO tower shields made of metal or special materials, as there are specific ones made, and some spells can even turn a wooden one into a metal one legally, so Rules as Written that is fine.
The problem is that the rules doesn't tell us HOW to craft a metal tower shield.
If you follow the Written rules step by step, attempting to create a Mithral tower shield you run into a gap between converting it from a wooden shield into a metal one .
Now, its not a big gap, and a quick GM decision fixes it, and you can easily houserule it into existence in a matter of seconds, and for a lot of people, that's fine. Some GMs may also say you cant, because its not written down. In PFS it might matter a lot more and you might be denied there as well.
Now the point "I" was trying to make at the start of all this was simply that there isn't rules for creating that specific object, just assumptions that we should be able to. Then I asked if there were any rules that WOULD allow us to make or magic one up, because I was curious.
And I like the Folding shield solution :) That may actually work really well.
I wonder what happens to the Shield spikes once it transforms into a Tower shield. Well, nothing I guess, as the tower shield still says you cannot shield bash with it...
I call blah. I don't see any reason, RAW, RAI or fluff, that it wouldn't.Just because an object you've cobbled together can be made to work once magical doesn't mean that the non-magical version will.AFAIK, there is no current RAW source of a mundane non-wood tower shield.Those 3 have item creation info for them. As such, you CAN make them and are intended to be able to: you have to be able to for the items or the construction section would be missing like that of an artifact.
Actually there is another example :)
There is a suit of armor called the Snailplate that basically took a chunk of snail shell and turned it into a magical suit of armor.The Snailplate is a +1 Reflecting breastplate.
Now the thing is, there is no mundane armor made of snail shell. There probably cant be.
In this case the magic comes from the material itself, so once forged, its magical. You probably cant create a non-magical version of it :P