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Only if the attacker hits and deals damage (so a caster protected by mirror images, blur/blink/displacement, DR etc might still attempt such a foolhardy activity.
But more broadly I rarely see PCs using readied actions to disrupt spellcasting (In part because GMs rarely use it in reverse)
Really? Most of my characters capable of using magic devices keep a wand of counterspell magic missile or other disruptive ranged shenanigans handy. When the BBEG caster is likely higher level than I am, often my best action is making sure theirs is wasted/suboptimal.
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A cast time of 1 Round (e.g. Summon Monster, Enlarge Person) is not a full round action, it takes until the start of your next turn.
My dm refused to acknowledge this and I have no idea why.
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one rule I use at my tables (which I think is actually RAW) is that dead bodies on the battlefield create difficult terrain (I generally do this for anything that is larger than the PCs - though technically I believe any dead body sized medium or larger by RAW does create difficult terrain)
(of course this is only monsters that leave bodies behind - so no summoned or incorporeal etc)
In play this is generally fairly easy to adjudicate - either leaving miniatures on the playmat or using a flat token to indicate the squares that have bodies - it does slow down combat slightly and creates some tactical options - and it gives some further incentives for flight or abilities to bypass difficult terrain - and it doesn't strain credibility - a dead dragon or ogre should leave a big obstacle that has to be gotten around (or which can be used for cover)
Opponent: You can't move through a square occupied by an opponent unless the opponent is helpless. You can move through a square occupied by a helpless opponent without penalty. Some creatures, particularly very large ones, may present an obstacle even when helpless. In such cases, each square you move through counts as 2 squares.
Although a melee combatant could take 2 swings to stop you. One with their readied action, and one with an AOO.Can someone tell me if both of these scenarios are correct or just the 2nd example:
Battle A: Enemy archer [higher initiative] strikes my spell caster w/ an arrow before I complete my Magic Missile spell [standard action]; I need to make a Concentration check so as not to lose the spell, right?
Battle B: Enemy archer [higher initiative] strikes my spell caster w/ an arrow before I complete my Sleep spell [1 round casting]; I need to make a Concentration check so as not to lose the spell, right?
The difference is, with the Magic Missile they can only interrupt you if they use a readied action to shoot you during spell casting.
With the Sleep spell, they could make an ordinary full-round archery attack during their turn, after you start casting the spell, and still interrupt your concentration.
And if it had a one round casting time instead they could get an AoO, a readied action, and a full attack action.
For example, they go just before the caster ready an action to interrupt spell casting. Caster begins casting, triggers readied action, triggers AoO, turn continues back around to melee which then takes a full attack action on the caster. The chances of successfully making all those checks is real real low. Like it should be.
Thanks for all the clarifications; I was actually doing it wrong as far as standard action spells go...the rest I think I've got down now, including AoO (and casting defensively), readied actions, etc. I definitely need to start paying better attention to which spells take a round to cast, though.
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Although a melee combatant could take 2 swings to stop you. One with their readied action, and one with an AOO.Can someone tell me if both of these scenarios are correct or just the 2nd example:
Battle A: Enemy archer [higher initiative] strikes my spell caster w/ an arrow before I complete my Magic Missile spell [standard action]; I need to make a Concentration check so as not to lose the spell, right?
Battle B: Enemy archer [higher initiative] strikes my spell caster w/ an arrow before I complete my Sleep spell [1 round casting]; I need to make a Concentration check so as not to lose the spell, right?
The difference is, with the Magic Missile they can only interrupt you if they use a readied action to shoot you during spell casting.
With the Sleep spell, they could make an ordinary full-round archery attack during their turn, after you start casting the spell, and still interrupt your concentration.
1) I thought you couldn't make an aoo and a readied action against the same action.
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If a bag of holding is overloaded, or if sharp objects pierce it (from inside or outside), the bag immediately ruptures and is ruined, and all contents are lost forever.Hands up how many people have thrown a bunch of swords, daggers, knives into a bag of Holding for later re-sale without consequence?
I always wrap them in cloth or something first.
* The Ioun stones in that Oort Cloud orbiting your head have AC24, 10 hitpoints and 5 hardness. Any reasonably competent mid-level opponent could theoretically destroy most or all of them in a single full-attack.That's why you give them to your ioun wyrd tattoo'd familiar to hold. ;)
I always have a western star to turn them invisible and some form of anti-detection magic. Mind blank bring ideal, but non-detection is a low level version
I may be using too much of yu-gi-oh's timing, but once you ready an action and do it (the trigger being someone running past you), the time available to make an AoO is gone. Your character is hard focused on the action.
That's my logic, and logic doesn't translate well into pathfinder.
Also, what speellcaster doesn't attempt to cast defensively? The dc is a lot easier than getting damaged.
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I see both players and GMs overlook (and sometimes argue against) the full-attack rules, which state: "You can see how the earlier attacks turn out before assigning the later ones."
This result in wasted opportunities as players useless sink additional damage into a target that was a corpse after the first hit, and "killer GMs" trying to do the same thing to drive an unconscious character below neg Con when their flanked monster would (unless specifically inclined) normally shift its remaining attacks to other PCs threatening it.
The “start full-round action” standard action lets you start undertaking a full-round action, which you can complete in the following round by using another standard action. You can’t use this action to start or complete a full attack, charge, run, or withdraw.
I've never seen this tactic being used.
I often forget that a character can do a partial charge if they are unable to do full round actions: (from d20pfsrd) "If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can’t use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn."
I guess if the character has pounce or equivalent it'd let them do a full attack on a surprise round for example. Also nice with zombies, I guess.
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I see both players and GMs overlook (and sometimes argue against) the full-attack rules, which state: "You can see how the earlier attacks turn out before assigning the later ones."
That applies at my table unless you roll all the dice at once. I don't want players to roll first and then decide whether to continue attacking.
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Pretty much. If you’ve rolled the attack, you’ve committed to it. If you want to have the option of changing your tactics, roll individually. (That's not to say you have to direct the follow on attacks to the same target, just that you can't cancel out of a full attack into a move after rolling all of them.)
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I see both players and GMs overlook (and sometimes argue against) the full-attack rules, which state: "You can see how the earlier attacks turn out before assigning the later ones."That applies at my table unless you roll all the dice at once. I don't want players to roll first and then decide whether to continue attacking.
An honor-system works fairly well on that; The play assigns an order to their attacks, red dice is the first attack, orange is the second and so forth. Then if they can just assign that roll to the next enemy when one goes down.
The only oddball situation is when the first hit kills the enemy and they have the option of using a move action instead of continuing to attack, with the power difference between the rest of the full round attack and a move action it is often so large that the obvious choice is to full attack as long as enemies are in range, and if they are not in range the obvious option is to move. If they decide the move instead of attack easy targets after rolling four ones, that is time for an out of game conversation about the type of game everyone at the table wants to play.
My point is if the first attack of a full attack kills the only enemy in range (or the only strong enemy in range), why not let them use a move action? Players that are rolling all their attacks together are just trying to speed up the game.
I've been at tables where players are pre-rolling their 6 attacks and damages during the initiative before them and are writing them down so that the whole table isn't waiting on them.
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Right, because it uses your Standards for two consecutive rounds! Better to get it all done in 1 round.The “start full-round action” standard action lets you start undertaking a full-round action, which you can complete in the following round by using another standard action. You can’t use this action to start or complete a full attack, charge, run, or withdraw.I've never seen this tactic being used.
Depends, you do swap a standard action for a move action, but you can use a move in the middle, and sometimes the move action next turn can be worth more than the standard action this turn. Double move also swaps standard for move, and is used a lot more. And I've seen situations where it would be good to use this tactic, but the player didn't know it is possible.
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Players that are rolling all their attacks together are just trying to speed up the game.
There's nothing wrong with rolling in advance so long as you've let your GM know the priority of your d20s and you're honest/consistent. E.g., your special big one is always first, the red one is always 2nd, etc, and that you intend to shift targets or move if the first attack drops the target.
The overkill problem is primarily a lower-level/inexperienced player/GM phenomena.
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I see both players and GMs overlook (and sometimes argue against) the full-attack rules, which state: "You can see how the earlier attacks turn out before assigning the later ones."That applies at my table unless you roll all the dice at once. I don't want players to roll first and then decide whether to continue attacking.
I don't care if they roll the attacks all at once, if the first attack knocks out or kills the foe they can have the next attack go to another valid target or they can change to a move action if they already made one attack in a round. It means that they have to decide to "turn on" things like Two-Weapon Fighting and Rapid-Shot at the start of their turn, but I prefer the time saving to semantics. Especially at high levels when I have gunslingers with rapid-shot, two-weapon fighting telling us that it's "Exactly Midday".
If the player is rolling all the dice at once, he should be designating attack order with different colored dice ("First attack is red, second attack is blue ..."). Then you resolve them one by one, so he can still fairly and easily switch targets after someone's down.
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A lot of people forget that you can take a 5 foot step between attacks. This can really help with some mobility issues if a melee character has reach.
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Speaking of color coded dice.
Anecdote: I had a player (for only a few games and you will know why for just a few games shortly) who used to roll 2 d20's 2 different colors at the same time and he would call one color in the air and ignore the other. Now that is some pretty strong superstitious stuff right their but whatever. It was when I caught him calling it after it hit the table that we had problems. Hmm I guess their isn't really a point to this story other then watch them old players they are a squirrely bunch.
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I think the intent of the rule is "If you do not expecting a fight, then find yourself in one, you are flat-footed until you manage to react (take a turn)"
Pretty sure the intent is that if you're unaware of an opponent and your opponent is aware of you, your opponent gets a surprise round.
Otherwise you can just choose to say you're expecting a fight all the time and Stealth and Perception become irrelevant.
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- Illegal targets/conditions makes the spell automatically fail.
Because everyone prefer to be reminded a pleasant "you can't do that, try another thing" instead of "MUAHAHAH that was ilegal YOU FAILEEEED"
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Aha, I have one - Ability Score Damage.
For every 2 points of damage you take to a single ability, apply a –1 penalty to skills and statistics listed with the relevant ability.Technically this means that, even when you have an even ability score (as many end up with), a single point of ability damage does nothing (there's no minimum penalty clause), 3 ability damage gives a -1 penalty and so on.
More technically, it applies a -1 penalty per 2 points of damage to your damage rolls affected by the ability score, regardless of what multiplier that ability score is operating with (e.g. the classic 1.5x strength mod).
Even more technically, try to map that "-1 penalty" to carrying capacity.
I generally see this all disregarded, and the character just treated as if their ability score as whatever the damage reduces to as a flat deduction.
The more technically is that it doesn't affect carrying capacity at all. Also you still qualify and can use all feats that use the stat since your actual value isn't changing.
I don't prefer it because if I want to reply to the part about my comments it's harder because of all that stuff that's not applicable to my topic.
You're welcome, but yeah, that rule is important to have PCs with any hope of resisting a maneuver at higher levels
Did somebody mention the fact that if you provoke at trying a combat maneuver and take damage, that said damage is applied as a penalty to your maneuver check?
Did somebody mention the fact that if you provoke at trying a combat maneuver and take damage, that said damage is applied as a penalty to your maneuver check?
To go along with this, you only provoke from the target of the maneuver and not everyone around.
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something i rarely seen even though it's very useful (especially vs enemies with greater reach) - when you ready an action, you can also add a 5 ft step along with it(as long as you didn't move as per 5 ft rules).
seen many ready to hit a charging large creature (ogres etc) only for them to stop 10 ft away and strike out of reach.
can also be ready to hit and then take 5 ft move away. so you get to hit a same reach charging enemy and then move diagonally back & sideways out of reach AND charge path.
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Attacks from Land: (...) A completely submerged creature has total cover against opponents on land unless those opponents have freedom of movement effects. Magical effects are unaffected except for those that require attack rolls (which are treated like any other effects) and fire effects.
So spearfishing is illegal.
That coins are actually pretty damn heavy. 50 coins per pound, so 2000gp to enchant your sword weighs 40 lbs! IRL 40lbs of gold = $816,640. I did have one GM that would occasionally audit weights on all that characters, chart days of food remaining, and make us find water every day or two.
By the way, IRL its 291.667 penny weights (one copper) per pound, so pathfinder coins are HUGE, like 1/3 of an once.
I have a few old silver coins.
They are huge compared to most u.S. coins.
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The one I didn't know of was that for most of the beneficial touch spells, the upper limit is 6 targets affected.
"Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets. You can touch up to 6 willing targets as part of the casting, but all targets of the spell must be touched in the same round that you finish casting the spell."
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You can use a flat DC 20 Sense Motive check to "get a hunch" if someone is "trustworthy".