In my opinion what the GM did was totally unfair to the players. Anyone could see the difference between a great big boulder and a bloody huge bird. I'm all about tricking the players when it MAKES SENSE to do so, but it has to be fair to the them and to enhance the story. But not describing the creature and just saying the word "roc" was pretty underhanded, IMHO.It would be unless they acted immediately, such as ....
(GM) "Blocking the entrance to the cave is a large roc ..."
(Player interjects) "I move it aside!" *grabs d20 to attempt a Strength check*In this case, a version of KoDT's "Gazebo Effect".
In the posted example, a bit of a hosejob. :)
The problem in trying to justify your original argument is that you encourage inorganic reactions from players.
If you aren't straight forward with information then players will second guess what you say and act more like computer game characters than characters
In my opinion what the GM did was totally unfair to the players. Anyone could see the difference between a great big boulder and a bloody huge bird. I'm all about tricking the players when it MAKES SENSE to do so, but it has to be fair to the them and to enhance the story. But not describing the creature and just saying the word "roc" was pretty underhanded, IMHO.It would be unless they acted immediately, such as ....
(GM) "Blocking the entrance to the cave is a large roc ..."
(Player interjects) "I move it aside!" *grabs d20 to attempt a Strength check*In this case, a version of KoDT's "Gazebo Effect".
In the posted example, a bit of a hosejob. :)The problem in trying to justify your original argument is that you encourage inorganic reactions from players.
If you aren't straight forward with information then players will second guess what you say and act more like computer game characters than characters
The player interrupted the GM in my example, no justification is required when someone goes of half-cocked.
Thoes things are so big, I'm surprised it noticed him.
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In my opinion what the GM did was totally unfair to the players. Anyone could see the difference between a great big boulder and a bloody huge bird. I'm all about tricking the players when it MAKES SENSE to do so, but it has to be fair to the them and to enhance the story. But not describing the creature and just saying the word "roc" was pretty underhanded, IMHO.It would be unless they acted immediately, such as ....
(GM) "Blocking the entrance to the cave is a large roc ..."
(Player interjects) "I move it aside!" *grabs d20 to attempt a Strength check*
It's still BS. The player's character knows the difference.
It's still BS. The player's character knows the difference.In my opinion what the GM did was totally unfair to the players. Anyone could see the difference between a great big boulder and a bloody huge bird. I'm all about tricking the players when it MAKES SENSE to do so, but it has to be fair to the them and to enhance the story. But not describing the creature and just saying the word "roc" was pretty underhanded, IMHO.It would be unless they acted immediately, such as ....
(GM) "Blocking the entrance to the cave is a large roc ..."
(Player interjects) "I move it aside!" *grabs d20 to attempt a Strength check*
Interrupting the GM is also BS.
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This thread looks dead.
I mourn the loss of silliness
And the rise of... this.
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102. Heated disagreements when things were getting good.
102. Alright folks, next campaign is going to be set in Ravenloft.
That's not an Oh F... moment... for me that would be a "goodbye, tell me when you decide to play something I'll enjoy" moment.
102. The PCs, at low-mid lvl, pick a random portal, activated by touching an evil looking idol.
They appear in a barren plain, the earth rumbles like an earthquake.
Enter the tarrasque....and its mother.
Thoes things are so big, I'm surprised it noticed him.
*stifles "that's what she said" joke*
mmmh... I thought that in PF the tarrasque was a creation of Rovagug, whom I always believed to be male, who's the mother? (unless you just mean and even bigger badder tarrasque, wwhich is pretty uninteresting)
*stifles a "yo mama" joke*
mmmh... I thought that in PF the tarrasque was a creation of Rovagug, whom I always believed to be male, who's the mother? ...
Lamashtu
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GM: You assumed that there was a K at the end of "roc".
Reminds me of the owlbear's aquatic cousin... the roc-lobster.
I'll show myself out.
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Lamashtu
Gesundheit.
(unless you just mean and even bigger badder tarrasque, wwhich is pretty uninteresting)
The mother part was more of a wink towards a munchkin game card.
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The mother part was more of a wink towards a munchkin game card.
Aside from the biggest baddest monster, one could play a card that puts another of it in the fight, supposedly the Original monster's mother.
A trope as old as Beowulf the RPG, at least...
Gamemaster's Grendel groans, gutted.
Beowulf the barbarian's bloody blade
Crits the creature quick and cruel.
Twenty-roller taunts the downcast DM,
tapping the table, dice-loads of damage.
Furious, the folio-flipper finds
the monster's mother, quadruple the CR.
Massive mini, mashed on the mat.
"O f---!" Fearful friends flee.
Dimension dooring demon dances
spitefully on spines, TPK time...
Thanks!
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The party is running away from an impossible fight.
GM: "You can't enter the Drift yet. You're still degaussing the drive coils."
*Rolls bluff check against GM*
"Mr. Perkins! Perform a Dirac inversion and shunt excess static into the Brahe manifold!"
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I laud the efforts of those good and clever folk
To return this thread to health and happiness
and, of course, wonderful silliness
^_^
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The party is running away from an impossible fight.
GM: "You can't enter the Drift yet. You're still degaussing the drive coils."
*Rolls bluff check against GM*
"Mr. Perkins! Perform a Dirac inversion and shunt excess static into the Brahe manifold!"
Genius.
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Genius.The party is running away from an impossible fight.
GM: "You can't enter the Drift yet. You're still degaussing the drive coils."
*Rolls bluff check against GM*
"Mr. Perkins! Perform a Dirac inversion and shunt excess static into the Brahe manifold!"
The best part about being a physics major dropout is that you know enough to have a decent chance to bluff anyone who isn't at least a mid-tier Trekkie.
When in doubt, throw a scientist's name and engine part at it and hope the GM thinks you know what you're talking about.
Doesn't work as well in fantasy of course.
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A recollection of a game I helped run for a friend on his birthday.
102: "You're Cordially Invited to the Birthday Party of Timmy Bundershoot"
The party receives and invitation to some kid's birthday/coming of age party. When they get there they encounter strange things, like a pitfall trap filled with rubber spheres and balloons(flying mimics) that try to strangle them.
The "oh f-" moment came when they reached the party room, see a glabrezu and some Vrock next to the kid, and the Glabrezu("Uncle Glabby") tells Timmy to make a wish.
"I wish my new friends would stay here forever!"
102 Again: As a side note, Timmy's birthday party was ruined(his friends were killed by the adventurers, his toys were destroyed, and the cake with a succubus in it was knocked over). His dad was freed so he could take back his tower... and then the final party guest shows up.
The party hears what sounds liked massive, ancient sails on the wind before the tower rumbles and a roar shakes it further as the Draconic words reach their ears. "WHO IS THIS TIMMY AND WHAT IS A BIRTHDAY PARTY?"
A Great Wyrm Red Dragon had arrived. Everyone quickly left via planeshift.
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"Right Scottie, but we are going to see just how far we can bend them. Get back to work, you have two hours."
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"Right Scottie, but we are going to see just how far we can bend them. Get back to work, you have two hours."
30 minutes later "Yer good to go"
102- GM(me) The tall figure stands just outside the fire light, and in a grave voice says "give me the sword you got from that nest!"
Player - Okay, I grab the sheathed sword, and hand it over.
GM - You try but the sword suddenly knocks you back a few feet way from the figure.
Player - I try again.
GM - same thing happens.
Player - Okay, I unsheathe the sword, and drive it into the ground..... Oh F---!
The sword by the way was a nasty piece of work if it didn't get feed regularly it would suck hp from the wielder. However, if over feed it gave excess back to the wielder. The rest of the campaign was spent trying to figure out how to get rid of it.
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102. The PCs are getting drafted into the crew on board a starship.
At an away mission, everyone is handed their uniform.
Theirs is a generic red.
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"My cousin from New England is visiting and would like to sit in."
"Hi, I'm Charles Ward...."
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"...From Arkham.""My cousin from New England is visiting and would like to sit in."
"Hi, I'm Charles Ward...."
^-^
"... I am currently not attending university due to health concerns...."| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
102. If last night is any indication, just pulling out an ice devil pawn is sufficient for my players. Trauma has made them weak. I must toughen them up somehow.
Genius.The party is running away from an impossible fight.
GM: "You can't enter the Drift yet. You're still degaussing the drive coils."
*Rolls bluff check against GM*
"Mr. Perkins! Perform a Dirac inversion and shunt excess static into the Brahe manifold!"
The best part about being a physics major dropout is that you know enough to have a decent chance to bluff anyone who isn't at least a mid-tier Trekkie.
When in doubt, throw a scientist's name and engine part at it and hope the GM thinks you know what you're talking about.
Doesn't work as well in fantasy of course.
Have the Flesh Golem stick his finger in the socket.:)
102. The Phallus of Vecna.
*snerk*
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102) The LEGO set of Vecna, because his parts are everywhere.
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102. When you're invited to a manor and the king falls dead in the middle of dinner from poison. And again when we were investigating and found the head chef face-down dead in a bathtub.
102. Or before any of that when you're terrified of Dragons and AN ENORMOUS DRAGON LANDS IN FRONT OF YOUR CARRIAGE AND YOU'RE THE ONE RIDING SHOTGUN BESIDE THE DRIVER!!! I'm still not sure how I didn't get eaten... My friends kept telling me it was a Good Dragon, but a Dragon is still a Dragon, and Dragons are massive and have big, Kobold-eating teeth.
102. A high DC baleful polymorph is coming your way, which can't be resisted except with a nat 20.