This Oracle Archetype is released
LOL....Doomsaying ability?!!?!? "Oracle II - Revenge of the OP Heretic."
Doomsaying does look rather powerful. Especially for an Oracle focusing on charisma.
The bonus spell is fun as I can snatch the weird psychic spells as Mental Block or Thrust
Flash of Insight (Su)
Once per day as an immediate action, a cyclops can peer into an occluded visual spectrum of possible futures, gaining insight that allows it to select the exact result of one die roll before the roll is made. This effect can alter an action taken by the cyclops only, and cannot be applied to the rolls of others.
It specifically calls out that it can't affect the rolls of other creatures. Since it's an immediate action, you only get a guaranteed Nat 20 on one roll per round. Not to say it isn't powerful, but it's not as bad as you say, Myrryr.
Is Wrath of the Righteous the Mythic AP or something? Because otherwise, I have no idea how you would get the 50 Charisma necessary for a +20 modifier. I'm not even sure if Mythic adds enough extra bonuses for it.
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You realize that this archetype is intended for cyclos oracles, right?
Paizo, if you're going to buff the Oracle please do so in a way that lets it fill a cleric's shoes without spending a fortune on pages of spell knowledge. That would actually make the game better rather than worse.
What is the point of 'buffing' the oracle is it's just going to be a cleric? Just play a cleric. The Oracle is a wholly different thing from the Cleric, and should not fill it's shoes at all. If anything, what the Oracle really needs is more varied and interesting curses. The current list of Paizo sourced curses is extremely small.
Doomsaying doesn't seem all that powerful. Sure you can use it multiples times /day, but the effect only lasts until a target fails a single roll.
They Cyclops' power of "predefine a roll' is pretty sweet, but probably not gamebreaking on a caster class. "Nat 20 on my greataxe! That's 3d12+6!" Woo? Autosaving some stuff will be nice, but Oracles didn't exactly have bad saves before.
Doomsaying doesn't seem all that powerful. Sure you can use it multiples times /day, but the effect only lasts until a target fails a single roll.
They Cyclops' power of "predefine a roll' is pretty sweet, but probably not gamebreaking on a caster class. "Nat 20 on my greataxe! That's 3d12+6!" Woo? Autosaving some stuff will be nice, but Oracles didn't exactly have bad saves before.
Eh WTF are you smoking!?
Doomsaying is NO save NO SR!
You can shut down monsters 1 by 1....once you get to about 8th level.... BAM -8 on all saves! Next spell cast on them virtually guaranteed to succeed
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Doomsaying doesn't seem all that powerful. Sure you can use it multiples times /day, but the effect only lasts until a target fails a single roll.
They Cyclops' power of "predefine a roll' is pretty sweet, but probably not gamebreaking on a caster class. "Nat 20 on my greataxe! That's 3d12+6!" Woo? Autosaving some stuff will be nice, but Oracles didn't exactly have bad saves before.
Eh WTF are you smoking!?
Doomsaying is NO save NO SR!
You can shut down monsters 1 by 1....once you get to about 8th level.... BAM -8 on all saves! Next spell cast on them virtually guaranteed to succeed
As for that nat 20... i know a few class that wont mind a 1 level dip to get an assured crit every day(looking at you gunslinger with deadshot).
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You realize that this archetype is intended for cyclos oracles, right?
So much that the flash of insight class feature is worded in the case the user is not a cyclops
You think that's overpowered... check out the Site-Bound curse.. talk about a buff, huh?!?
You can use Assume Fate and Doomsaying with save-or-suck/die/sit-out spells pretty easily. Hell, if there's a way to get Phantasmal Killer and/or Weird for an Oracle, you could use those!
Also consider that 3 levels in Bloodrager gets you a +2 to saves against spells cast by yourself or an ally (7 levels would get you access to Mystic Theurge with 2 Cha-users, but that's probably a little too much tradeoff). Bloodrager levels would also not be out of place with a Cyclopean Seer. You know, a big angry giant that has seizures that tells it the future? 2 levels of Paladin gets you Cha to saves, which is better but far less thematic.
Also, the Cyclops Helm magic item would give another power themed for this archetype, not to mention how silly-yet-terrifyingly-gruesome it would be for a Cyclops to be wearing a helm made from the head of another Cyclops.
Or perhaps VMC Diviner Wizard? That's be interesting.
The more I think of it, the more this sounds like a build for a really awesome big bad.
So much that the flash of insight class feature is worded in the case the user is not a cyclops
Could also be about Great Cyclops.
For reference the revelation:
Flash of Insight (Su): You gain the cyclops racial ability of the same name. If you already possess this ability, you gain an additional daily use.
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You realize that this archetype is intended for cyclos oracles, right?So much that the flash of insight class feature is worded in the case the user is not a cyclops
Cyclops Oracles and those who worship the one-eyed giants use their ...
The following new oracle curses are common among cyclops oracles and oracles who worship cyclopes...
Flash of Insight (Su): You gain the cyclops racial ability ... If you already possess this ability...
Definitely written to allow non-cyclops oracles, so long as they are cyclops-groupies...
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Y... we.... Erhm...
Okay I've got nothing. This is just crazy good.
Sigh..... I really do despair of Paizo
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Stuff like this sneaks into softcovers pretty frequently. The design team does not get involved and powerful (and incredibly weak) material is added.
I'm not sure what a realistic solution to this would be. With as many books going on as they have, it sounds like it would be tough to perform additional balancing/editing passes.
Still, it's something to community to push for because maybe it is something that could happen.
They do have to pick some really s$&~ty curses. I dunno about making a haunted combat oracle with this
Also assume fate and brutal trance aren't very good either, and you are forced to take those
You know Haunted doesn't apply to spell components or drawing weapons, right?
Hi, why would it not? If you aren't wielding it than the item is stored
Because FAQ stated so.
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Yes, it is. 18 base Cha, +2 racial, +5 inherent, +5 lvls, +6 enhance for the normal 36 'cap'. Then +10 from mythic tiers for a 46, +2 from devotion pts in book 1, then +2 anarchic boost from Arushelae in book 3, so by lvl 20 which is halfway through book 6, you've got 50 Cha. This isn't counting other sources like becoming a half-celestial or a lich for more.
Is Wrath of the Righteous the Mythic AP or something? Because otherwise, I have no idea how you would get the 50 Charisma necessary for a +20 modifier. I'm not even sure if Mythic adds enough extra bonuses for it.
So, if I understand correctly: once you hit 20th level / 10th mythic tier, if you put every possible bonus into Charisma (including successfully gaining the ability bonuses in both books 1 and 3), you can select a 20 on a die roll as an immediate action without limit?
That makes for a very powerful ability, yes -- but keep in mind that immediate actions eat up a swift action, and mythic characters particularly benefit from their swift actions. And ultimately, this build essentially makes the surge and force of will abilities redundant by replacing them with flash of insight, which is cool but does mean you're overlapping on a lot of power you would already normally be getting as a mythic character.
More to the point, however: once you've reached 20/10, you're practically a demigod already. Were I GMing such a game, if a player actually devoted all of those resources to pulling this off at the very end of the adventure, I think I would just applaud their dedication and foresight, congratulate them on their character breaking probability wide open and becoming a full-blown tychokinetic, and carry right on with all the other wonderfully over-the-top things that happen in the final chapters of that AP.
Be careful using this archetype. Based upon what Paizo did with the ACG and ARG errata, I suspect the plan here is to have this overpowered option be part of the selling point for the book, and then nerf it later when the sales die down. You should definitely ask your GM what he or she will do when then inevitable nerfing happens. You don't want to get stuck with a terrible character build mid-campaign.
Doomsaying doesn't seem all that powerful. Sure you can use it multiples times /day, but the effect only lasts until a target fails a single roll.
They Cyclops' power of "predefine a roll' is pretty sweet, but probably not gamebreaking on a caster class. "Nat 20 on my greataxe! That's 3d12+6!" Woo? Autosaving some stuff will be nice, but Oracles didn't exactly have bad saves before.
Eh WTF are you smoking!?
Doomsaying is NO save NO SR!
You can shut down monsters 1 by 1....once you get to about 8th level.... BAM -8 on all saves! Next spell cast on them virtually guaranteed to succeed
So you have to expend a standard action, daily use ability, to make someone fail a save.
That's honestly not so unreasonable in my books.
You realize that this archetype is intended for cyclos oracles, right?I'm guessing no
And yet it isn't actually racially locked, making the intention worthless. Anyway, oh wow Doomsaying. Combine with another caster in the party or you being high enough level for Quicken and/or Spell Perfection... Much one rounding of anything.
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I, for one, welcome our new One-Eyed Giant-worshipping overlords.
Just realized it is NOT PFS legal. Thank you Mike.
Makes sense to me. I haven't read the book but it's called "Inner Sea Monster Codex" which makes it sound like it's aimed at NPCs and not PCs. Do DM's regularly allow PCs to gain access to monster-only (or highly suggested monster only) options? For example I've never met a DM that allowed juju zombies because it was from a DM book and they always felt it was explicitly aimed at NPCs only.
The ability to get a natural 20 on a single roll is nice... but I think we're are forgetting that Flash of Insight says "one die roll" and a d% should qualify. What tomfoolery can we get into by being able to declare a natural 100 (or whatever number we like best)?
Rod of Wonder
Bag of Tricks
Reincarnate
Chon Chon ElixirAnd perhaps my favorite: Strange Fluids
Any others?
Regarding Reincarnate.. I'm note sure you can use the Flash of Insight ability when you're dead, so this is unlikely to impact reincarnation's racial selection..
Regarding Reincarnate.. I'm note sure you can use the Flash of Insight ability when you're dead, so this is unlikely to impact reincarnation's racial selection..The ability to get a natural 20 on a single roll is nice... but I think we're are forgetting that Flash of Insight says "one die roll" and a d% should qualify. What tomfoolery can we get into by being able to declare a natural 100 (or whatever number we like best)?
Rod of Wonder
Bag of Tricks
Reincarnate
Chon Chon ElixirAnd perhaps my favorite: Strange Fluids
Any others?
Witch's Forced Reincarnation hex?
Why is everyone so worked up by one D20? if you crit... do you not then have to confirm the crit with a second D20? essentially this seems like an auto-hit, an auto-fail, or an auto "choose your action/reward" not an auto-crit, but an easier crit/auto-hit, and only once a day... it hardly seems game-breaking.
Confirmation rolls use the same bonus as the attack that threatened.
So say you are an Oracle with this archetype and you cast true strike the round before then the confirmation roll gets the +20 just like the original attack did.
Or you can just wait until quickened true strikes become feasible.
Hell, if your going down this route just take sacred geometry as well.
Gotta get that vorpal weapon and get a 20 automatically.
Once per day is not even that OP as you have to confirm the crit anyway.
Be careful using this archetype. Based upon what Paizo did with the ACG and ARG errata, I suspect the plan here is to have this overpowered option be part of the selling point for the book, and then nerf it later when the sales die down. You should definitely ask your GM what he or she will do when then inevitable nerfing happens. You don't want to get stuck with a terrible character build mid-campaign.
Ah, no, the "beautiful" part of this is that it's a campaign setting book/soft cover and they have a policy not to FAQ or Errata those ever.
It's why Sacred Geometry in all its WTF why does this even exist glory will never be changed.