[Legendary Games] Mythic March Mania Kickstarter announced!


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Jason that is very nice of you. I will send you an e-mail.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

By the way, we just passed 100 backers and the $9,000 bonus goal to add full-color illustrations to every monster in the Mythic Monster Manual!

Next up: At $10,000, we unlock the print version of the Mythic Hero's Handbook! To paraphrase Bob the Builder, "Can we print it? YES WE CAN!"


I see we have lined up some great material for these books, but I was wondering, does it need to stop there? What are the chances we can have the mythic template added to traps and hazards? I know just the fella to cook this up and he is also a third party publisher...at Frog God Games. Plenty of time to check with him and do the whole contract thing before the campaign progresses too far...

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

Mythic traps are definitely something we have in mind as a stretch goal, though I'd have to look back at my spreadsheet to see where. There are plenty more goals to announce. I think once we hit $10,000 I'll post up the next five in line.

How far and wide we cast our net depends on the fans. If you fund it, they will come!

Grand Lodge

Very excited to see this project go up. Looking forward to Mythic Psionics. Hadn't thought about traps before. My players are likely doomed.


So which of the current arguers on this thread is a Mythic Devil from Mythic Monsters 11?

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137ben wrote:
So which of the current arguers on this thread is a Mythic Devil from Mythic Monsters 11?

Hey, my avatar already got mythic in the Pathfinder RPG Mythic Adventures book!


Time to crack that whip! Get back over to the Kickstarter page and do the update thing...we just past 10K! I seem to remember someone saying they would add the next five stretch goals....


Update complete...happydance...

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@ Liz Courts - can we get where I was recruiting Bill Webb (user name) to this Kickstarter back to this discussion. I think that part was germaine.

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I am still in. If LG can get a pathfinder rules guy. Anything to help

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Ps. Thank you Liz!

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Bill Webb wrote:
Ps. Thank you Liz!

+1 :)


Where i came vote for the four demon choice of the KS. I vote for the Balor.

Question: DO you have any chance to publish all the mythic monsters serie of Legendary Game in one futur book ?


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Voting for your favorite monsters has begun. If you aren't a backer yet, now is the time to jump in!


I hope my little quasit buddy makes the final four...

Dark Archive

The only thing I'm interested in is the Mythic Monster Manual. Just wondering if the layout will be like the Bestiary/Tome of Horror. I didn't care for the layout in the Gothic Compendium. I prefer the art be on the same 1 page/2page spread like the Bestiary.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

The books will definitely be available for sale separately; there's a discount if you buy all of them, but we know not everyone is interested in all of them. As for layout, it should be fairly similar to the PF Bestiaries.

Dark Archive

All three books seem cool, but dropping $150 is a bit rich for my taste. Plus being nickeled & dimed on the PDFs doesn't help. I am looking forward to a big book of monsters. Good luck guys!

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

A $10 upcharge to add a PDF to the purchase of a hardback is pretty standard, including here at Paizo. For some that's a value add, for some it's not worth it. To each their own and vive la difference!


I have a question:
I see it is $75 for all three PDFs. How does that compare to the expected prices once they come out?
I want all three (PDF only), and I want to support the kickstarter, I just don't want to be spending too much more than I would be if I waited.

Anyways, for future stretch goals, have you considered trying to get either Steven Russell or Mark Gedak involved?
I've enjoyed pretty much all of Steven's work so far and would love to see some of it mythicized.

And, while I really doubt it will happen given how busy he is, if one or more stretch goals involved Rich Burlew I think a lot of people would be very happy about it...

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

Ha - good luck on Rich B. He's a year behind schedule on fulfilling his own mega-successful Kickstarter. As for what names you'll see attached to future stretch goals... for now that remains a secret, but I think you'll see some names you know. ;)


Yea, that kickstarter was crazy:) (and involved the ultimate backer rewards: bonus OOTS strips!)

Any answer to my pricing question or is it too early to tell?


137ben wrote:

I have a question:

I see it is $75 for all three PDFs. How does that compare to the expected prices once they come out?
I want all three (PDF only), and I want to support the kickstarter, I just don't want to be spending too much more than I would be if I waited.

Anyways, for future stretch goals, have you considered trying to get either Steven Russell or Mark Gedak involved?
I've enjoyed pretty much all of Steven's work so far and would love to see some of it mythicized.

And, while I really doubt it will happen given how busy he is, if one or more stretch goals involved Rich Burlew I think a lot of people would be very happy about it...

IMO, even if you save nothing compared to when the books eventually launch, funding now vs later helps increase the quality of the books (by funding stretch goals). So, even if the books are the same price when they launch, it is still worthwhile to back the project early.

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137ben wrote:

Yea, that kickstarter was crazy:) (and involved the ultimate backer rewards: bonus OOTS strips!)

Any answer to my pricing question or is it too early to tell?

Too early to tell for absolute certain, but I'd be very surprised if the final PDFs were less than $25 each, which is what you're paying now for the three-in-one PDF deal.

Liberty's Edge

Just donated a few moments ago! keep up the good work and lets break the 13,000 mark today!


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lastgrasp wrote:
All three books seem cool, but dropping $150 is a bit rich for my taste. Plus being nickeled & dimed on the PDFs doesn't help. I am looking forward to a big book of monsters. Good luck guys!

I think this is kind of a big part of my reaction to this Kickstarter. I get it what's going on... LG is trying to produce a menu of options that we can choose from, but the end result is I feel like it's a death-by-a-thousand-cuts to the wallet.

The principle "three related books" concept is probably the heart of the trouble for me. I'm spoiled by - for instance - Frog God Kickstarters where it's "one huge book". I'll dump $100 or $200 to get a five, six, or seven hundred page book. Okay. Fine.

Here I'm looking at smaller numbers but more of them, than all add up to more. Want a book? Want another book? Want another book? Want the PDFs? Want shipping? Want shipping to Canada? It's just... a menu of choices but feels awkward.

So I dunno. It's weird, leaving me with a weird feeling where my emotions and intellect aren't in sync. Free PDFs as a perk for book-buyers have long been a common trait with Kickstarters. "Yes, you can buy the cheap PDF-only product, but we'd like you to buy the more expensive dead trees, so let's sweeten the pot and give you the PDF free." Instead LG is making it an additional for-profit layer. Feels... weird for a Kickstarter.

So hey. I don't expect a change. It's too late for a change. It's too late for three separate KS campaigns. I'm just giving feedback why I'm not jumping on this with the enthusiasm I have other projects. Maybe that's of some use to someone, maybe not.

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Anguish wrote:
Free PDFs as a perk for book-buyers have long been a common trait with Kickstarters. "Yes, you can buy the cheap PDF-only product, but we'd like you to buy the more expensive dead trees, so let's sweeten the pot and give you the PDF free." Instead LG is making it an additional for-profit layer. Feels... weird for a Kickstarter.

I suspect that at the funding levels the Kickstarter is currently at, it is less of a for-profit layer and more of a "make sure all the bills are paid before we give discounts" layer. I believe Jason made a comment on the Kickstarter site that there could be a "free pdf with book" stretch goal higher up the list.


Also, this is a different pattern for Kickstarters as this is run by an entity, but it includes other entities that have signed on before the kickstarter has even started, each participating based on how well the kickstarter does. Yes, it is different and that in itself is in the spirit of kickstarter. This is not Frog God Games, but someone else, so their approach will be different. I like FGG, I have supported them in the past and am currently, but that does not limit my horizons from what other publishers can offer. When it all comes down to it, the kickstarter is way different from any that FGG has offered in the past. Just look at the scope: rule books vs adventures (sure, they are mega adventures) and campaign world support. LGG's kickstarter project can actually be used in conjunction with FGG [pathfinder] projects, should you choose. Send me a PM with your specific concerns, and as a backer, I will try to alleviate them for you.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

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Robert Little wrote:
Anguish wrote:
Free PDFs as a perk for book-buyers have long been a common trait with Kickstarters. "Yes, you can buy the cheap PDF-only product, but we'd like you to buy the more expensive dead trees, so let's sweeten the pot and give you the PDF free." Instead LG is making it an additional for-profit layer. Feels... weird for a Kickstarter.
I suspect that at the funding levels the Kickstarter is currently at, it is less of a for-profit layer and more of a "make sure all the bills are paid before we give discounts" layer. I believe Jason made a comment on the Kickstarter site that there could be a "free pdf with book" stretch goal higher up the list.

Robert Little has it right: We are working on a very big project here, and having run one hardback Kickstarter already and working with other companies that have run their own has given me a lot of information about the real costs of running a Kickstarter and producing books on this scale. Of course, the fact that FOUR companies are producing THREE books (instead of the usual KS which is one company producing one book) makes things a lot more complicated.

You've always heard horror stories about Kickstarters that "succeeded" and yet ended up with outrageous delays, missing product, bankrupt producers, and on down the list. This won't be one of those. LG's first Kickstarter fulfilled in PDF in about 3 months and in print less than 6 months from the end of our campaign, which is great, but even with that there were unexpected hiccups, expenses, and delays along the way. Every Kickstarter does, no matter how well planned. If anybody thinks we're sitting in our castle counting our gold, you haven't seen our products. The money we raise you see on the page. The best designers, beautiful layout, fabulous original art; we think the quality is second to none, and we're willing to pay for that on our end and we hope that you will as well.

If you think international shipping charges are outrageous, you're right, but unfortunately that's what it costs, and shipping rates have been rising every year. I'm doing the international shipping right now for our previous Kickstarter, and the amount we charged on that KS was actually LESS than what it costs to ship to our backers just for postage, not including boxes, packing material, or labor. That was a miscalculation by me borne of inexperience. The amount we are charging for international shipping covers our real costs for shipping (and for backers who make a big order, it may not even cover that).

We are all in business and we'd love to make some money, but most of the money from a Kickstarter comes on the back end from selling product once you get it. You want to do your best to make sure you're not looking at a deficit in the wake of your "successful Kickstarter," and anything you actually make as profit, over and above your expenses, is a happy bonus.

Hope that was informational to somebody. :)


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I've never participated in a 3PP RPG Kickstarter and the only other Kickstarters I've pledged to have been music (Mindless Self Indulgence) and anime (Time of Eve), but I love the mythic rules and this just seems like a 100% must have! I have a few questions, though.

A few years ago, I decided to go all-PDF with my RPG products, partly to save space and largely due to how publishers can update the files for errata and corrections later. So I'll likely be pledging for the $75 PDF set. For these PDFs from Kickstarter, what would be the process of getting new PDFs if updates are made?

The Kickstarter calls the spell book the Mythic Spell Compendium and in the Mythic Hero's Handbook description is says "incorporating feats from all of the Pathfinder Core Rules hardbacks" so I was wondering, will you be re-printing all of the existing mythic spells and feats that are in Paizo's Mythic Adventures book or just including the ones that weren't in there? I'm assuming it will just have the new stuff, but I figured I'd ask anyway.

And, I thought I had some other questions but I can't think of them. Good luck with the stretch goals! I've very excited about the possibility of having mythic versions of every spell and feat from the Pathfinder RPG line books and maybe having mythic psionics too would be amazing! The mythic monsters probably won't get much use right away, but will be good to have for future use when I get more into a GM role with my group. Can't wait to see the results of all your hard work!

Liberty's Edge

pluvia33 wrote:
For these PDFs from Kickstarter, what would be the process of getting new PDFs if updates are made?

My assumption is that fulfillment of the PDF's will be done thru Legendary Games website, which allows for downloading updated versions (although I notice that there is a limit on the number of downloads, maybe they will modify that if there are updates).

pluvia33 wrote:
Will you be re-printing all of the existing mythic spells and feats that are in Paizo's Mythic Adventures book or just including the ones that weren't in there? I'm assuming it will just have the new stuff, but I figured I'd ask anyway.

Jason addressed this in the comments on the KS site, but the short answer is nothing will be reprinted from Mythic Adventures (his answer is much longer).


To add to Robert Little's comment, over the past year or so, any of the PDFs I have received from a kickstarter campaign have been disbursed through a retail site, such as DriveThruRPG. That site will store each product you download and when an update is provided to the company, it will show in your account that you have a product that was previsously downloaded, but has an update to be downloaded to replace it.

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Thedmstrikes wrote:
To add to Robert Little's comment, over the past year or so, any of the PDFs I have received from a kickstarter campaign have been disbursed through a retail site, such as DriveThruRPG. That site will store each product you download and when an update is provided to the company, it will show in your account that you have a product that was previsously downloaded, but has an update to be downloaded to replace it.

I considered that they might use DriveThruRPG, but suspected that it would cost them more than hosting it themselves (although with the size and number of downloads that they may have, especially the first day of release, the cost of having someone elses more robust servers hosting might be better than the ill will of having their own server/site go down due to bandwidth demands).


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I hear you Jason, and I'm glad you didn't take my... mental wandering badly.

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