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I'm pretty sure Golarion is supposed to be ridiculously far away from Earth -- like, not even in the same galactic supercluster, never mind in the same galaxy -- but can't recall what the official word is on that.
There is no official word. Other than "Using magic to go there is the easiest and fastest way."
I'm pretty sure Golarion is supposed to be ridiculously far away from Earth -- like, not even in the same galactic supercluster, never mind in the same galaxy -- but can't recall what the official word is on that.There is no official word. Other than "Using magic to go there is the easiest and fastest way."
Well, you know what they say about magic... "Any sufficiently advanced technology" etc., etc.
Needless to say I am definitely looking forward to the official word on the Silver Mount.
How do the cyclons and their "plan" fit into all this?
Do androids come from Silver Mount or is that a different site?
Maybe the Russians sent a fleet to hunt Baba Yaga? After she crashed one, the rest just split.
Or maybe it Starkiller showing off again?
I'm pretty sure Golarion is supposed to be ridiculously far away from Earth -- like, not even in the same galactic supercluster, never mind in the same galaxy -- but can't recall what the official word is on that.
In another galaxy?
Far, far away?
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(Also, I think Jatembe might just be the most awesome character who's walked Golarion. Maybe. Count Renalc, Nex, Aroden, and the Peacock Spirit are all really interesting, too, though Nex is notably kind of a jerk. I'm also fond of - you know what, nevermind. I'll just stop here and note, "Golarion is cool and full of cool people and ideas.")Jatembe is the Murtagh of Golarion.
da.n it Iomedae, I've only got 500 more years till retirement, I'm getting too old for this sh.t!
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(Also, I think Jatembe might just be the most awesome character who's walked Golarion. Maybe. Count Renalc, Nex, Aroden, and the Peacock Spirit are all really interesting, too, though Nex is notably kind of a jerk. I'm also fond of - you know what, nevermind. I'll just stop here and note, "Golarion is cool and full of cool people and ideas.")Jatembe is the Murtagh of Golarion.
He's to old for that s%%$?
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Another wild guess:
The spaceship is related to the civilization oppressed by The Salvation Machine [Artifacts & Legends; Saint Cuthbert's Mace], the same A.I. who created the demiplane known as The Machine Armory [The Great Beyond; Other Demiplanes]. If this is correct, then the capital ship name is Ouphineil.
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Another wild guess:
The spaceship is related to the civilization oppressed by The Salvation Machine [Artifacts & Legends; Saint Cuthbert's Mace], the same A.I. who created the demiplane known as The Machine Armory [The Great Beyond; Other Demiplanes]. If this is correct, then the capital ship name is Ouphineil.
Good guess... but nope.
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If it has anything to do with Eox, then it would most likely be connected to the one time they fired their planetary defense gun and annihilated most of their own people. Whatever was shot with it probably left a lot of wreckage damn near everywhere.
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Intergalactic, planetary.... planetary, intergalactic? ;)
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SciFi/Fantasy action? ✓Band of intrepid and/or "unlikely" heroes? ✓
Aliens? ✓
Weird monsters? ✓
Robot monsters? ✓
Androids? ✓
Crashed spaceship? ✓
Obligatory Beastie Boys reference? ✓
{squints at Odraude} J.J. Abrams, is that you? {casts as a precaution}
Nice check list Ambrosia Slaad but darn that lens flare;)
How did you make the checks?
I'm pretty sure Golarion is supposed to be ridiculously far away from Earth -- like, not even in the same galactic supercluster, never mind in the same galaxy -- but can't recall what the official word is on that.
I'd always imagine that Golarion is closer than you'd think, but farther than you'd hope. The galaxy is a very, very, very big place, so it wouldn't be ridiculous for them to both be in the Milky Way.
And I've always been very, very curious about the capital ship that crashed. Kinda surprised for you guys to admit the ship is made by humans, but I'd hardly believe you'd reveal something like that without an even bigger reveal right around the corner...
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In my head, Golarion and Earth are indeed in different galaxies. And where the Numerian ship is from is from a third galaxy.
And the reason the ship's made of humans goes far beyond the need for us to explain why androids look like humans—the ship is INTENDED to be a place for PCs to go and explore, and the technological devices found within are INTENDED to be things that PCs can use. That means that making the ship of human origin was really the only option.
Doing this also lets us actually have alien stuff that feels alien, so that when you find an alien element inside of the crashed ship, you can tell it's alien because it feels alien... not only to you the PC, but to the human ship it's found in.
Also... even though the ship is from somewhere else, it's a part of Golarion. And Golarion's got very strong humanocentric themes.
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Now you just hold on right there. Humans are in THREE galaxies?
Man, I've always been a massive human supremacist in RPGs but that's pretty cool. Now I have even a more bajillion questions!
My money is that we're all from a precursor race that was likely a Type III Kardashev civilization, ie one that had intergalactic travel capabilities. Earth and Golarion are either especially important to this progenitor race or are simply one among many, many worlds among the two (three?) galaxies filled with Homo sapiens. Aw man, so that means Earth is not humanity's home world? Or maybe it is? What if---
...you know I just realized I could use the words "Kardashev", "intergalactic", and "precursor race" in an offshoot of Dungeons and Dragons without sounding really weird or out of place. Can I just say as a huge sci fi fan that I freakin love that? Iron Gods is going to rustle my jimmies in all the right ways.
Considering the living hell I had with the first module with a crashed starship...waaay back in 1st edition Greyhawk...those silly descriptions of technology sounding like they were being written for absolute idiots...the blaster was a mini tv screen with a twisty handle...and don't get me started on the needler!
I have very high hopes and beliefs that Paizo wiill do the descriptions better...this is Paizo...of course it will be better!
I ran my fantasy obsessed gamers through "Pirates With Guns" and they enjoyed it!
I have no doubts this will be fun too!
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Interesting. Humans in three galaxies (and if three, why not four, five...lots?)? That definitely caught me offguard. I'm now definitely curious to see how much story/explanation we get to find out. I was thinking the story was going to be expanding Golarion's solar system (and maybe it still might) but it looks like there's something more ambitious going on. I'm officially sold on this mystery. Great job, Paizo.
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And the reason the ship's made of humans goes far beyond the need for us to explain why androids look like humans—
SILVER MOUNT IS MADE OF PEOPLE! PEEEEEEPUUULLLL!
:D
...anyway, to those wondering how the heck humans can be everywhere: Gods.
And seeder alien species; doesn't have to be humans, just some precursor race that thought we were funny.
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In my head, Golarion and Earth are indeed in different galaxies. And where the Numerian ship is from is from a third galaxy.
And the reason the ship's made of humans goes far beyond the need for us to explain why androids look like humans—the ship is INTENDED to be a place for PCs to go and explore, and the technological devices found within are INTENDED to be things that PCs can use. That means that making the ship of human origin was really the only option.
Doing this also lets us actually have alien stuff that feels alien, so that when you find an alien element inside of the crashed ship, you can tell it's alien because it feels alien... not only to you the PC, but to the human ship it's found in.
Also... even though the ship is from somewhere else, it's a part of Golarion. And Golarion's got very strong humanocentric themes.
Do you realize how vast a cosmic distance you're talking about? (One of the things that really bugged me about Joss Whedon's Firefly is that he initially put all of those habitable planets in the same fricking solar system.)
Just a world on the other side of our OWN galaxy would be hidden from us and far enough away that light would take 200 centuries to reach us. Galaxies on the other hand that would have habitable worlds in them, are separated by far greater distances.
I must point out that the planets in Firefly were TERRAFORMED by advanced tech, they weren't always habitable.
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In my head, Golarion and Earth are indeed in different galaxies. And where the Numerian ship is from is from a third galaxy.
And the reason the ship's made of humans goes far beyond the need for us to explain why androids look like humans—the ship is INTENDED to be a place for PCs to go and explore, and the technological devices found within are INTENDED to be things that PCs can use. That means that making the ship of human origin was really the only option.
Doing this also lets us actually have alien stuff that feels alien, so that when you find an alien element inside of the crashed ship, you can tell it's alien because it feels alien... not only to you the PC, but to the human ship it's found in.
Also... even though the ship is from somewhere else, it's a part of Golarion. And Golarion's got very strong humanocentric themes.
Do you realize how vast a cosmic distance you're talking about? (One of the things that really bugged me about Joss Whedon's Firefly is that he initially put all of those habitable planets in the same fricking solar system.)
Just a world on the other side of our OWN galaxy would be hidden from us and far enough away that light would take 200 centuries to reach us. Galaxies on the other hand that would have habitable worlds in them, are separated by far greater distances.
I absolutely realize how vast a cosmic distance I'm talking about.
And remember.. all of that and more sits inside of a shell made by the Elemental Plane of Air, and that's inside of Water, then Earth, then Fire... and all of that is a tiny little infinitesimal dot at the heart of the OUTER sphere...
It's intentionally vast, so as to encompass all possible ideas for stories anyone anywhere might want to come up with.
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And seeder alien species; doesn't have to be humans, just some precursor race that thought we were funny.
Of course I misread that as 'seedier alien species,' and pictured some disreputable three-tentacled alien calling you over to a dark alley in a whisper and offering you some humans, cheap, explaining why they are all over the galaxy...
And the reason the ship's made of humans goes far beyond the need for us to explain why androids look like humans—SILVER MOUNT IS MADE OF PEOPLE! PEEEEEEPUUULLLL!
Okay, first Planet of the Apes references in this thread, now Soylent Green.
(And let's face it, with mutants in Numeria, it will only be a matter of time before Omega Man gets referenced. Oh, I just did it!)
If Charlton Heston *doesn't* turn up in this AP, I'll be one sad little monkey. :(
I'm really curious if the Vault Builders might factor into the Numerian starship somehow. Or perhaps the First Ones.
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The truth is, when the adventurers get to the top level of the ship, they'll find a lazy human, a hologram, a cat and a neurotic android.
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The ship was sent by the Ori to go after the Ancients and got lost on its way to the Milky Way. Or maybe the Ancients redirected it...
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...For the first couple of seconds Eric the Tolle, I got confused and thought you were referring to the Wizard of Oz.
Pay no attention to the man behind the illusion!
(Also, this must mean that either GMs can claim that humans came from another setting, allowing for crazy crossovers, or that the aboleth were really uninspired when they tried to come up with a species that could walk on land and have thumbs)
Honestly, in fantasy settings I tend to assume that humans were brought from Earth. the more "realistic" the setting, the more I tend to think that. There's something in my mind that says if the geography and much of the biology is different, that humans shouldn't appear, much less make something parallel to Earth history. For instance, in Game of Thrones I tend to speculate what European medieval country was kidnapped to populate Westeros.
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Intergalactic, planetary.... planetary, intergalactic? ;){consults checklist:}
SciFi/Fantasy action? ✓
Band of intrepid and/or "unlikely" heroes? ✓
Aliens? ✓
Weird monsters? ✓
Robot monsters? ✓
Androids? ✓
Crashed spaceship? ✓
Dr. MarcusSeoni in revealing outfit? ✓
Obligatory Beastie Boys reference? ✓{squints at Odraude} J.J. Abrams, is that you? {casts as a precaution}
Shhhh... is a secret...
Earth has a younger written history then Golarion so I would say it might be the other way around. Though there is a very good chance that both planets were populated by humans from some where else.
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The ship was sent by the Ori to go after the Ancients and got lost on its way to the Milky Way. Or maybe the Ancients redirected it...
It would be more likely that (based on the age of Golarion) either a) the ship was from the Ancients, perhaps as old as Destiny, and or had 'ancestors' of the Asurans on board who later rebuilt the androids/robots we see.
Ooooh, that makes the Android monk of Irori in the NPC guide tie in nicely. The Androids/proto-replicators are searching for their own route to ascention.
Ok, enough Stargate geeking now.
Mr. James Jacobs, if you don't mind me asking, will the Machine Armory or the Dark Tapestry/Dominion of the Black be playing any role in Iron Gods? I didn't know about it until an above poster mentioned it and it sounds AWESOME! Also, is there someone on the Paizo staff who is secretly an embedded sci-fi enthusiast who loves to get away with slipping in as much sci-fi stuff as they can get away with in a fantasy setting?
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Mr. James Jacobs, if you don't mind me asking, will the Machine Armory or the Dark Tapestry/Dominion of the Black be playing any role in Iron Gods? I didn't know about it until an above poster mentioned it and it sounds AWESOME! Also, is there someone on the Paizo staff who is secretly an embedded sci-fi enthusiast who loves to get away with slipping in as much sci-fi stuff as they can get away with in a fantasy setting?
Dominion of the Black: Yes, absolutely.
And yeah... there's quite a few sci-fi enthusiasts at Paizo. I'm one of them, but James Sutter's a bigger one.
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Also, is there someone on the Paizo staff who is secretly an embedded sci-fi enthusiastNo, I wouldn't say that. :)
-TimD
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Maybe its the USS Defiant from the The Tholian Web episode O_O
Sorry couldn't resist :P
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I think there have been,
aliens in every AP and many modules (I don't know how many, though I've personally seen at least two); with all the additions from the Cthulhu Mythos, there's been futuristic-sounding sci-fi in the archaic fantasy right from Pathfinder's beginning. It's overall pulp fantasy aesthetic lets weird science fit right in, so it looks to me as if a purpose of Pathfinder was to gradually show a generation of gamers that wacky magitech and Wizards vs. Aliens is fun and hilarious.
I still prefer psychic powers as a modern-day stand-in for magic, though, but it's current implementation as mind-affecting S-LAs works for me.
Hmm, I wonder if psychic stuff will be involved with this at all.
If you define aliens as "not from Golarion" then I think there have technically been aliens in every AP, period (counting those from other planes of existence).
If you are limiting the definition to "same plane, but extraterrestrial", then it's not quite as many, but yeah- still a lot.
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If you are limiting the definition to "same plane, but extraterrestrial", then it's not quite as many, but yeah- still a lot.
I should note that just about everyone we've ever seen in the game, with the exception of Reign of Winter 5? is extraterrestrial...they're not from Earth, they're from some alien planet called Golarion...
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If you are limiting the definition to "same plane, but extraterrestrial", then it's not quite as many, but yeah- still a lot.I should note that just about everyone we've ever seen in the game, with the exception of Reign of Winter 5? is extraterrestrial...they're not from Earth, they're from some alien planet called Golarion...
You know what I mean.