So, in an upcoming build of mine, I'll have access to only 1 9th level spell... Which will be from the Sorcerer list.
So, my question to you is, what would you choose?
Please give a reason, although it doesn't necessarily need be a good 1. =3
If you only get 1 level 9 spell, it should always be Wish. Read the first line of the spell description:
Wish is the mightiest spell a wizard or sorcerer can cast. By simply speaking aloud, you can alter reality to better suit you.
How can you do better?
Wish will always be a strong choice. Despite it's price tag, it will allow you to duplicate pretty much all spells up to 8th levels spells as well as doing so much more. The only thing that stops this from being a sure thing all the time is the cost.
Still, for it usefulness its hard to beat.
If not that, Shapechange
Ya, Wish is definitely the right choice, provided you have access to Blood Money to mitigate the cost. If not even though Wish is incredible I'm not sure I can recommend as your only spell when it costs 25,000 gp per use. In that event, I recommend Shades, which is sorta of like 80% real Wish if used for conjuration spell duplication, but with no cost since it get you access to a whole school (and can reduce casting times of longer conjurations to 1 standard action).
Other high picks are Time Stop (Me Time is Free Time), Shapechange, and Astral Projection depending.
Obviously it depends on your party, but for my Wizard the spell I absolutely have to have every day is Mage's Disjunction. I'm there to solve the magical problems and it is a "fix all the magic issues in your way" button. The barbarian easily handles things once I get the magic problems resolved.
Intensified Maximized Empowered Fireball...
...because evocation is the strongest school
Disjunction.
Time stop is a close second.
Intensified Maximized Empowered Fireball...
...because evocation is the strongest school
Fun reason, but you're took a 3rd level spell.
So, in an upcoming build of mine, I'll have access to only 1 9th level spell... Which will be from the Sorcerer list.
So, my question to you is, what would you choose?
Please give a reason, although it doesn't necessarily need be a good 1. =3
Depends on your other choices.
WISH has the best utility.
TIME STOP wins battles.
MAGE's DISJUNCTION if your GM comes up with nasty tactics you need to counter.
However I would buy one or two of these:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/m-p/page- of-spell-knowledge
Obviously it depends on your party, but for my Wizard the spell I absolutely have to have every day is Mage's Disjunction. I'm there to solve the magical problems and it is a "fix all the magic issues in your way" button. The barbarian easily handles things once I get the magic problems resolved.
I just want to say something in regards to Mage's Disjunciton.
Be careful!
I don't know how your GM is or how your group plays but my group has a social contract about certain things. It is understood that anything players use can be used by the GM. That includes Mage's Disjunciton. Players stand to loose a whole lot more from a Mage's Disjunciton than NPCs do. So while it's a great spell, use with caution. As a GM I have outright told a player his use of Mage's Disjunciton would result in the NPC using Mage's Disjunciton on the players if he chose to continue with the aciton. He recanted and did something else instead. There are some cans of worms you should consider carefully before opening.
Well, it can permanently destory a single item.
In any event if you're fighting a dragon having it cast a spell that disables all your items for the rest of combat you're gonna have a bad time.
@CWheezy: Rolling a 1 on the save, or targeting an item directly both still destroy the magic item.
@Claxon: We had the same deal in our last 3.5 campaign, a few years back. And it wasn't a meta-game situation (well, not entirely). It was a campaign that went into epic levels, with lots of scrying and masterminds.
We thought of it as an uneasy, unspoken truce: everyone wanted everyone's magic items (artifacts in particular). However, if even one person started pulling out the disjunction, it was the equivalent of starting off a nuclear winter.
It made sense in campaign, as much as it did in gamist terms.
.
With regards to the OP; the fact that you are looking at a single 9th level spell means you will want the most versatile spell to be able to use.
Shapechange, Shades, Time Stop, are all good. Wish is obviously great, but the price tag is a little much.
Gate is another great one, simply because it dual-useful (planar travel and calling), and the 2nd function can grant access to a wide array of called creatures (tho this is also a bit costly).
On the flipside, if all you have is time and money, then Greater Create Demiplane could be the most fun. In fact, with careful creation of the demiplane, you can tweak time in your favor! One of the best "end-game" spells for sandboxy, tooling around style gaming. Not so hot for adventure path or "Save the Princess" gaming.
Time stop
If you have endless gold wish
Obviously it depends on your party, but for my Wizard the spell I absolutely have to have every day is Mage's Disjunction. I'm there to solve the magical problems and it is a "fix all the magic issues in your way" button. The barbarian easily handles things once I get the magic problems resolved.I just want to say something in regards to Mage's Disjunciton.
Be careful!
I don't know how your GM is or how your group plays but my group has a social contract about certain things. It is understood that anything players use can be used by the GM. That includes Mage's Disjunciton. Players stand to loose a whole lot more from a Mage's Disjunciton than NPCs do. So while it's a great spell, use with caution. As a GM I have outright told a player his use of Mage's Disjunciton would result in the NPC using Mage's Disjunciton on the players if he chose to continue with the aciton. He recanted and did something else instead. There are some cans of worms you should consider carefully before opening.
Really good point. Definitely adjust your choice according to your GM as well as your group. My GM is gunning for us pretty good, so it's actually the reverse in our group! We had to deal with getting disjunction launched at us first, and were very grateful when we had access to it so we could get past prismatic walls. All in good fun, our GM is great at making things enjoyably challenging, but disjunction is definitely a necessary tool to have available.
I don't know how your GM is or how your group plays but my group has a social contract about certain things. It is understood that anything players use can be used by the GM. That includes Mage's Disjunciton. Players stand to loose a whole lot more from a Mage's Disjunciton than NPCs do. So while it's a great spell, use with caution. As a GM I have outright told a player his use of Mage's Disjunciton would result in the NPC using Mage's Disjunciton on the players if he chose to continue with the aciton. He recanted and did something else instead. There are some cans of worms you should consider carefully before opening.
Pretty much this. If you don't want DC 30 presistant stone to flesh thrown at your party, don't do it yourself :).
Of course it strongly depends on the group and what they find is fun.
Hands down gate.
As mentioned above Wish, Time Stop, and Disjunction are all SOLID choices that none will question..
But...for a little twist: Shades. It says: This spell functions like shadow conjuration, except that it mimics conjuration spells of 8th level or lower."
...so you can cast heal. If you have a solid divine caster then maybe this isn't a bid deal. Conjuration has a lot going for it.
Summon 9 would be my choice.
d3 trumpet archeons/astral devas or best off ghaele azata?
Yeah that's like 4 heal spells, and 2 holy words and 2 walls of force... and and and.
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Well, it can permanently destory a single item.
In any event if you're fighting a dragon having it cast a spell that disables all your items for the rest of combat you're gonna have a bad time.
You French fried when you should have pizza'd
You French fried when you should have pizza'dWell, it can permanently destory a single item.
In any event if you're fighting a dragon having it cast a spell that disables all your items for the rest of combat you're gonna have a bad time.
Thats exactly what I was thinking about when I wrote it.
Pick Aroden's Spellbane to stop all the bads trying to use Mage's Disjunction.
Pick Aroden's Spellbane to stop all the bads trying to use Mage's Disjunction.
This is most definitely the correct answer. +1 (Seriously, get you CL to 25 and dodge all sorts of pesky antimagic fields and dispels.)
Pick Aroden's Spellbane to stop all the bads trying to use Mage's Disjunction.This is most definitely the correct answer. +1 (Seriously, get you CL to 25 and dodge all sorts of pesky antimagic fields and dispels.)
Fantastic spell.
|
I would choose shapechange for best option. The versatility is simply amazing. Time stop, gate, and shade are all great choices as well.
However, the spell I have been thinking about lately is crushing hand. Just a fun spell. It may end up being the first 9th level spell I pick up for my current character when we get to that point(Wrath of the Righteous campaign).
The only combat-ender necessary: Mage's Disjunction
Go ahead a make the bad guy cry!