I vote yes for the PDF and yes for the 8$ corrections deck. Also wanted to add that I find the explanation of the business and logistical considerations interesting, educational, and VERY helpful in determining what I would be willing to pay for. Thanks very much for the information.
I would go for both the PDF and the reprints.
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I would pay for them, if also as a symbol of goodwill why not Paizo offer up some of the promo cards up with every shipment of the Errata cards?
@glenn3e - would be nice, but I doubt it's going to happen!
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Since I only gave suggestions and not a vote I will now.
I have no interest in a POD option that is not the same card stock/size.
As I mentioned above I would prefer a later option of slipping reprints of the errataed cards into an expansion pack, similar to what Fantasy Flight Games does.
Though I will take a free PDF with the errata/clarifications.
I've read through all the posts after recently discovering this thread. To make it easier for those who care, I have a brief set of stats that give an idea of how the forum feels on the topic.
* 90% of posters expressed a desire for replacement cards for errata'd material
* 5:1 ratio, people prefer the entire errata made into a POD, rather than just the essentials.
* 80% of people want a pdf.
* 40% of the people who want a POD mentioned a desire for an exact card size match.
I'm using rounded numbers and interpreting some posts as best as I can.
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I want to wait until the next Adventure Path comes out to have corrected cards available. "Let the dust settle". This gives Paizo the option to include essential(game changing) errata in future releases while maintaining the card quality of the base set.
I agree with previous posters that an extra expansion pack should be made to include all errata as well as some interesting bonus cards. I'm sure some clever design work could make the whole "errata" thing the result of a goblin prank. Oh the things gobbies will do for their jollies. What is the best answer? More content. It keeps the pocketbooks full, the suppliers happy, and the consumer ravenous. Wait a sec...
To summarize my thoughts:
Yes, reprinted cards should be made available/sold.
Yes, a pdf would be handy.
No, I don't think a POD is the best answer.
Yes, exploit me.
I've had good experiences with Paizo thus far and look forward to supporting them in the future. I hope this has helped.
We had printed our own modified cards (ugly). But my group has set PACG aside until we can buy updated cards and print out an updated rule book.
That's quite extreme - there are not that many cards which are broken and the rules are fairly simple once you've got your head around a couple of key concepts (which are mainly laid out in the FAQ and Mike's recently stickied post).
There's also the Turn Sequence breakdown which people have found useful:
http://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/95118/turn-sequence-breakdown
The updated cards would be great to have, but I don't think it's so bad as-is that you need to shelve the game!
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As I mentioned above I would prefer a later option of slipping reprints of the errataed cards into an expansion pack, similar to what Fantasy Flight Games does.
Dragnmoon, you should check out Vic's original post. Unfortunately, the only way corrected cards are going to get printed is thru POD, which will not match the size exactly.
So it's an option of pdf, slightly differently sized cards, both, or none.
And an option of a small set of the cards with errors, or a bigger set which also includes cards with clarifications.
Vic, is there any chance a reprint might be done eventually? The game has clearly done very well, but I wondered if it had done that well that you might be considering it (or if you're willing to share whether The Plan is to focus more on follow up "base sets").
The PDF solution is the one I like best. How will we be notified when/if the PDF becomes available? Will it appear on the PACG page like the FAQ link?
Oh, and yay, Skinsaw murders out now :) Can't wait to get it in hand. This game has proved a lot of fun.
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To summarize my thoughts:
Yes, reprinted cards should be made available/sold.
Yes, a pdf would be handy.
No, I don't think a POD is the best answer.
Yes, exploit me.I've had good experiences with Paizo thus far and look forward to supporting them in the future. I hope this has helped.
My thoughts precisely. Maintain your high standards, Paizo, and don't view Print on Demand as an acceptable option.
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As I mentioned above I would prefer a later option of slipping reprints of the errataed cards into an expansion pack, similar to what Fantasy Flight Games does.Dragnmoon, you should check out Vic's original post. Unfortunately, the only way corrected cards are going to get printed is thru POD, which will not match the size exactly.
So it's an option of pdf, slightly differently sized cards, both, or none.
And an option of a small set of the cards with errors, or a bigger set which also includes cards with clarifications.
Paizo's issue with printing an errata cards was that they are not enough of them to make it economically feasible . So the option of adding them to a future expansion pack print run both fixes that and has them printed on the same stock.
It is the perfect solution if players are willing to wait a year out for an expansion pack since the expansion packs are already printed a year out.
POD is a terrible solution and due to the obvious problems dealing with different stock which can cause problems with the game. I am surprised they are even giving it as an option.
The only issue with my idea is that we have to wait longer. But I would much rather wait longer to have it done right then get inferior POD option which I will not use.
POD is a terrible solution and due to the obvious problems dealing with different stock which can cause problems with the game. I am surprised they are even giving it as an option.
How many people on this thread have said "I would buy one" despite knowing it would be noticeably different? That is why they are considering, it, because there are people who do want it. It may not be a perfect solution that works for everyone, but for people that sleeve their cards anyway (myself included) then it's a non-issue, Even if you don't, it's not going to ruin the game if you know that the next card is one of the updated cards.
The only issue with my idea is that we have to wait longer. But I would much rather wait longer to have it done right then get inferior POD option which I will not use.
Not everyone wants to wait a year. In fact, I would find that completely unacceptable if that were the only option given to us because people keep saying its a terrible idea.
The only issue with the POD option is that they are slightly smaller than the others. That's 1 to 1; looks like a tie.
The nice thing about options is that that they are optional. If you don't like the POD solution, don't buy it; if you don't like the PDF option, don't download it. I plan to do both, as do many others.
However, if in a year's time we get the updated cards in a future expansion, I would totally throw out (well, remove from play) my POD copies when I get them. But I (and others) want something sooner, and would be happy with the POD solution.
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As I mentioned above I would prefer a later option of slipping reprints of the errataed cards into an expansion pack, similar to what Fantasy Flight Games does.Dragnmoon, you should check out Vic's original post. Unfortunately, the only way corrected cards are going to get printed is thru POD, which will not match the size exactly.
So it's an option of pdf, slightly differently sized cards, both, or none.
And an option of a small set of the cards with errors, or a bigger set which also includes cards with clarifications.Paizo's issue with printing an errata cards was that they are not enough of them to make it economically feasible . So the option of adding them to a future expansion pack print run both fixes that and has them printed on the same stock.
It is the perfect solution if players are willing to wait a year out for an expansion pack since the expansion packs are already printed a year out.
POD is a terrible solution and due to the obvious problems dealing with different stock which can cause problems with the game. I am surprised they are even giving it as an option.
The only issue with my idea is that we have to wait longer. But I would much rather wait longer to have it done right then get inferior POD option which I will not use.
Problem is, I don't think there are slated to be any future expansion packs, I thought the model was based on this version of the game running for a year then a second base-set based on another adventure path for the following year, and it's not entirely appropriate to have errata cards for a previous version of the game in a new base set, imho.
Actually, it might be a good plan from a marketing point of view to include the errata cards in the new AP base set...
It's both great customer service for loyal fans (who then get updated cards for their existing AP1 sets) and an incentive for new players to but into the old AP as well as the new one.
One for Paizo to stick in their return-on-investment calculator and have a think about, perhaps? ;)
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Actually, it might be a good plan from a marketing point of view to include the errata cards in the new AP base set...
It's both great customer service for loyal fans (who then get updated cards for their existing AP1 sets) and an incentive for new players to but into the old AP as well as the new one.
One for Paizo to stick in their return-on-investment calculator and have a think about, perhaps? ;)
I was actually thinking the same thing.
If adding the corrected cards into the next release is out of the question, then I'd be all for an erratta deck/$8.00 deck. But the PDF should still be made available for quick reference until you can get your replacements.
Actually, it might be a good plan from a marketing point of view to include the errata cards in the new AP base set...
It's both great customer service for loyal fans (who then get updated cards for their existing AP1 sets) and an incentive for new players to but into the old AP as well as the new one.
One for Paizo to stick in their return-on-investment calculator and have a think about, perhaps? ;)
This is a fantastic idea! I think Paizo should post an official list of errata cards somewhere so fans can make sure all of errors are corrected before attempting this feat, just to be absolutely sure *all* the cards and their appropriate number are accounted for ;)
The problem with that is the new base set will only be released after all the AP packs are released which looks to be July onwards next year. Which is quite a long time to spend without errata. And quite possibly when that is launched we won't be playing the RotRL much anyway.
Not be playing RotL? Blasphemer! Stone him!
Would you be playin RoTRL 24/7 and not the NEW playset, complete with its own errata instead?
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As for would I buy a PoD errata deck, I may consider it once they release a finished version (i.e. will all errata from B to 6) I'm not going to buy a new set from DriveThruRPG for each step in the AP when I'll have to get it shipped to the UK.
To be hones there's no issues that I can't keep in my mind when playing anyway.
I would pay $8 for updated cards.
i'm a little late, but i would happily pay $8 for updated cards. $2 for a couple or $8 for all? seems like a no-brainer. i'll just skip my lattes that week. :)
Also a little late.
I think that the PDF would be an excellent place to start but not to make the DriveThru option available until much later down the line when we are reasonably sure that all changes have been made. At that time, I would prefer to have the full run of corrections made available please. (estimated $8 plus shipping, I would but that run once I was sure the updates were complete.)
I realize this would mean waiting for maybe a year before the cards became available for purchase, however I think it could save everyone involved a lot of time and hassle and in some cases, money. Especially if people knew that the DriveThru cards would be becoming available around XX Date.
That would allow folk to print the cards for home use if so desired and keep them from having to buy 10 DriveThru sets as we continue to see changes/clarifications. Even though the PDF would require 3 people to update (in batches, maybe once every month or two.) I would still think that the PDF would be easier to update than the print runs since people would need to buy another print run from DriveThru to return to the current standard. (As a side note, people could print the sheets just for reference to have the changes on hand even if just black and white if desired... giving people several options.)
Regardless of what you decide to offer, I appreciate that Paizo is taking the time and effort to correct/clarify these concerns. I also appreciate that everyone is allowed a "vote" so to speak. Thank you.
We're getting pretty close on the text for the PDF of the adjusted rulebook. You may have noticed some very big text blocks going into the FAQ, which are essentially what we're trying to drill down on for the adjusted rulebook.
I'd be happy with a POD option. And as a sleever, it would add a bonus: Cards replaced by the new errata ones would still be used.
I will insert custom cards in the front of them. With the official backs, they would be indistinguishable in the stack: villains, henchmen, monsters, etc.
Win win.
Just to add another vote: I'd print the PDFs to place in my sleeves with the original card. Then pay for corrected reprints.
I'm now working with DriveThru on color-matching the existing card backs. They've printed a number of color samples which are currently in transit to me. This is the first step in an iterative process that will take a while.
Here's hoping that this pans out as a viable option. :)
For what it is worth, I would rather have PoD versions.
I'm now working with DriveThru on color-matching the existing card backs. They've printed a number of color samples which are currently in transit to me. This is the first step in an iterative process that will take a while.
Thanks for going through all of this, Vic. I just wish there was a way to match the size of the existing cards. You are pretty much forced to play with card sleeves, otherwise you'll be able to pick out the new cards.
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While I did put the size issue out there because I think it's important for people to know going in, I honestly think it will make *very* little difference in practice. We're talking about half a millimeter here. If you square up a stack of cards and closely examine it, then yes, you can pick them out... but I don't think most people square up every stack in play perfectly; at least, when I stack cards, it's not uncommon for some cards to be more than a millimeter from square, meaning you won't be able to spot the size difference unless you're really *trying* to.
I sleeve, so there's no difference for me if the POD cards are slightly off. ^_^